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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:47 PM
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Silver lining in Spitzer cloud: Patterson is the 1st publicly Peak Oil-aware governor
Much has been made of the fact that incoming Governor David Patterson is the 1st African-American governor of New York and that he is also legally blind. But what I find more fascinating is that he is the first governor who has publicly stated an awareness of Peak Oil, that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with, not in future generations, but right now:


In 1956, Dr. King Hubert offered a prediction that United States' oil production would, in effect, plateau somewhere between 1970 and 1971. This was the culmination of research where the first drilling for oil in this country came in 1859. By 1870, we had a network of oil pipes, starting the first network of delivering of oil as a fuel alternative at that particular time, and the curve went up steadily and steadily until, alarmingly, October of 1970 when we were producing 9.5 million barrels of oil per day. That's the highest we ever achieved.

Currently, we're producing about 5.1 million barrels of oil per day. We will go under half of the oil production of 1970, 37 years later, sometime in the middle of next year. Now this is staggering because, in addition to that, the United States Department of Energy - and I don't know how they got this past Phillip Kooning, Bobby - offered a paper describing the mitigation of oil peak downside, meaning that, after the production of oil slips below half of the peak production, at that point the energy return on energy investment becomes negative.

In other words, it takes as much energy to bring the oil out of the ground as it would to realize energy benefits from the oil that's actually drilled. So the reality is that in the flourishing 50s, we were getting 30 barrels of oil out of the ground for every barrel invested, and we are now somewhere between five and 10 barrels of oil for every barrel we invest.

That is some of the most knowledgeable talk about oil production (including talking about our own peak production in the US) and EROEI of oil extraction that I have heard from any politician. So Paterson and therefore Spitzer know that there will be a peak to oil production eventually. It's not a matter of it, but when...

So the question is: when is the oil going to run out? The answer is: nobody knows.

There were alarmists in the 70s after the fuel shortage crisis that said that we'd run out of oil in the 80s. There are bloggers on the Internet who say we're going to run out of oil in the next 10 years. No one really knows. Discoveries in the Yucatan Peninsula, the Gulf of Mexico, and in Credo, Alaska, have certainly extended that period of time.

But then the drilling that took place in the Caspian Sea in 1998 that was supposed to yield 400 billion barrels of oil is now being estimated at 40 billion barrels of oil. So it goes back and forth, how long the oil supplies are going to last.

Actually the real question is not whether David Paterson has read The Oil Drum, but if he has registered a username here...

In any case, this level of publicly expressed sophistication is rare in politics. And he's not just talking about peak oil as a theoretical issue that the next generation will have to deal with, he's serious about it in the present tense.

But what's more important than that would best be represented by this example: The human body has 21 quarts of blood contained in it. We don't die at the moment we offer our last drop of blood. What's more important is when our first drop of blood is spilled, and that's what Shakespeare taught us in the "Merchant of Venice." The problem is that if a person loses 20 to 25% of his own blood, it severely impairs the systems of the body, and death will not be long.

This is the problem we are going to have if there is any cutoff of our oil supplies in the immediate future.

Remember the 1970s oil shortage only involved a 5% lessened amount of oil than we actually have now, than we actually had at that particular time. What we've got to start concentrating on, as a society, are alternatives to what has been the lifeblood of our economy.

http://nyc.theoildrum.com/story/2006/10/28/93252/616

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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 PM
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1. He should be, since at least on the mainland
his soon to be state comes pretty damn close to peak gas prices.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:02 PM
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2. yep, people were complaining on DU about way lower prices than we have here!
$3.35 - $3.39 today according to local website, though it's been that way for several weeks.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:10 AM
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6. correction - up to $3.55 today
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 PM
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3. How high is it now?
In southern California, $3.52 is the lowest I've seen.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:12 PM
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5. Depends - I'm in the Buffalo burbs and last night was 3.49-3.59 NT
4654
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:32 AM
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7. Yo, a local!
30 miles east of Buffalo, here.

I've learned not to look at the prices when I fill up my car, but I can tell you it was only about $3.33 last week.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:58 AM
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9. Lewiston here so maybe the Canuck influence is stronger
and we get higher gas prices. Although it was 3.45 today for some reason.

Luckily I'm a few miles from the Tuscarora reservation where it's "down" to $3.20 or so whenever I'm in that direction.

I know the profile says Amherst but I set that up in corporate apartment before I bought the house.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 PM
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4. I'd love to see more tax incentives for fuel-efficient or alternative fuels
vehicles...the current trickle could turn into a tsumani with the continuing rise of the price of oil.

I know this would piss off some people, but I wouldn't mind seeing more tax penalties on guzzlers...
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:43 AM
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8. Silver Lining
maybe Patterson is the right man for the job? The "Accidental Governor"? I wish him well....
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