Rush Limbaugh conspires and this is what happens...

[samplegirl]

Ohio's revised election code includes an election falsification clause (Revised Code 3513.20), which says that if a voter who changes parties is challenged by poll workers as to the sincerity of his change of heart and also signs an affidavit stating that he supports the principles of the party to which he's changing -- when in fact he doesn't support them -- then he would be committing election falsification. Election falsification is a felony that is punishable by six to twelve months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

It's clear that cross-over voting occurred in large numbers in Ohio this year. The Ohio secretary of state's office doesn't have statistics yet on how many voters crossed parties in the primary (it's still compiling them), but the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that in Cuyahoga County alone, the state's largest county, at least 16,000 Republicans switched parties for the primary.

[Kahuna]

1. That night repukes were bragging on the Plains Dealer website about

their mischief voting. It should be easy to track some of them down.

[samplegirl]

3. and nothing will be done.

[truth2power]

5. Shouldn't it be right there in the voting books..what ballot you requested?

In my area of Ohio I had to wait in line until a sheriff's deputy brought more Democratic ballots. Seems like it was pervasive in my county.

[rpannier]

7. And that would do what in the GE

Ballots in the GE are not party based.

How would youi know how someone voted in the GE???

People have the right to change party affiliation.
They also have the right to decide to vote for someone else in the GE.

The only solution (IMLHO) is to have closed primaries

[benddem]

13. It wouldn't matter if it

was a closed primary...they changed their registration.

[rpannier]

16. That is true

But, it would lessen the opportunity for it to happen if you had to submit registration change by at least 15 days.

This way, if bothe parties had contested elections at that time, people would probably be less likely to change their registration.

There is no cure-all for this.

If Obama wins in November, is uncontested in '12 and the republikkans have a fiercely contested primary, it's likely some Dems will change their registration in order to 'vote for' the guy with less chance of winning.

[truth2power]

23. Hmm...it's past my bedtime. I WAS talking about the primary..

It's entirely possible my brain has turned to mush..

[rpannier]

24. My mistake

I apologise.
It's late where you, I just got to work where I am.

I misread your post.
I'm terrible at multi-tasking.

Again, my apologies

[truth2power]

28. No problem.

:)

[Berry Cool]

17. That would be "Plain Dealer," LOL

as in, dealing that is plain (no plains around here)

[roseBudd]

21. Cinti Enquirer: They wrote published LTTEs bragging about voting for Hillary

[Supersedeas]

26. isn't that special - so 'Merikkkan of them and him (Win at any cost, integrity included)

[Auggie]

2. Just change the damn law

[rpannier]

4. And the cure to that would be to only allow Democrats to vote in the Democratic primary

But... In many states they allow cross-over voting.
This cross-over voting has benefitted both candidates in differnt areas of the country.

Complaining about what happened in Ohio, borders on sour grapes by anyone who thought that was okay to have cross-over voting in other areas because it benefitted their candidate.

To quote an Obama supporter (whom I agree with) about Texas, "We all knew the rules coming into the primary. People (Clinton supporters) need to stop whining."

[Clear Blue Sky]

6. Lots of states allow this.

The only solution is to change the laws, but that needs to be on a state by state basis. Both parties can use crossover voting to their advantage on occasion.

[MercutioATC]

8. The reason for open primaries is this:

Suppose you support Clinton, but would rather see McCain as President if your only choices are McCain and Obama.

You vote for Clinton in the primary and, if Obama wins, you can vote in the general for your Presidential candidate of choice.

[Beregond2]

10. ?

A closed primary doesn't mean a closed general. I don't see your point.

[Beregond2]

9. OR

An asshole columnist for The Oregonian was encouraging Republicans to do just this in yesterday's paper, in that state's upcoming primary. I wrote the paper a letter condemning this unethical tactic, but I wonder if it might actually have legal implications there as well?

[mod mom]

11. Yep, here is a transcript of Limbaugh & Laura Ingraham:

? What might have actually happened in Ohio and Texas? Tin foil hat?
? Clip:
: "Rush, I understand that the Rush Limbaugh audience is mobilizing in Texas for Hillary. Am I hearing that right?"

: "I don't know if the audience is mobilizing or not. I am urging people — I am using a phrase — the Republicans — our nominee is chosen. It's John McCain.

Texas is open. And I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

As you probably know, we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying not to be critical there. Mark MacKinnon of McCain's campaign says he'll quit if they get critical over Obama.

This is the presidency of the United States you're talking about. I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses.

So yes, I'm asking to cross over and, if they can stomach it — I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton — but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need. It would be fun, too."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=609&Itemid=113

[mod mom]

14. Here is some reading material on OHIO + Cross-over Voting:

1st from the conservative Cincinnati Enquirer:

Ohio GOP roots for Hillary
BY HOWARD WILKINSON | [e-mail]

One of the worst-kept secrets of the Ohio presidential primary is that Republican party leaders have a candidate they are rooting for on the Democratic side.

Her name is Hillary Clinton, and they believe that if she wins the Ohio primary and goes on to become the Democratic nominee, she will be the one who unites their dispirited and divided party and give them their best chance of keeping the White House this fall.

?
It is a belief that the Clinton campaign says is wrong-headed and they will campaign across the state for the next three weeks making the argument that their battle-tested, experienced candidate is the only one who can go toe-to-toe with John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee this fall.

She’ll need to do some convincing, fast. For Clinton, Ohio’s March 4 primary is looking more and more critical.

-snip

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/NEWS01/302130097



Turned away at poll? Click here
Some are told to wait - or come back later
BY JESSICA BROWN AND BARRETT J. BRUNSMAN | [e-mail] | [e-mail]

-snip
In that heavily Republican county, officials weren't prepared for the high number of Democratic ballots requested. Some voters waited for more than an hour for new ballots to be delivered; others were asked to come back later or asked to go to the county Board of Elections to vote.

The reason: a wave of "crossover" voting, in which normally Republican voters asked for Democratic ballots. In Clermont County, turnout surged to 43 percent Tuesday - compared with just 31 percent in the 2004 presidential primary.

-snip

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said there was also a "crossover problem" in Akron and elsewhere in Summit County where many Republicans and non-enrolled Ohioans voted Democratic.

-snip

Of Clermont County's 128,128 registered voters, 37,714 are registered Republicans and 14,496 are registered Democrats. With all precincts counted, 26,279 people had cast Democratic ballots and 28,032 had cast Republican ballots.

Warren County has 12,440 registered Democrats and 41,377 registered Republicans. With all precincts reporting, that county was reporting 27,855 Democratic ballots cast and 28,683 Republican.

-snip
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/803050380&template=printpicart



GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
Posted by Tom Ott, Michael Scott, Joe Wagner & Maggi Martin March 04, 2008 14:51PM
Categories: At the polls

Poll watchers throughout Ohio are noting large numbers of Republican voters crossing over to vote in the Democratic Primary between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

In the Republican roost of Chagrin Falls, veteran poll worker Liz McFadden was amazed at the number of people jumping the party's ship. Democrats accounted for 70 percent of the voters in her precinct, one of seven at the village's high school.

"That's a complete reversal of what it normally is, even more so," she said. "I've never seen a switch like this."

The defectors had motives both pure and sinister.

-snip
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_crossing_over_in_la.html



FROM OSU ELECTION LAW:

Cross-over voting under Ohio law

March 4, 2008

?Edward B. Foley
Director, Election Law @ Moritz
Robert M. Duncan/Jones Day Designated Professor of Law
Moritz College of Law


Blogs at both the Plain Dealer and Dispatch are reporting Republican cross-over votes in the Democratic candidate for Senator Clinton on the ground that she would be an easier nominee for Senator McCain to beat. It is unclear how widespread this phenomenon is and whether, if calculable, could make a difference in either the statewide total popular vote or the awarding of delegates between Senators Clinton and Obama. There is also the question whether it is legal, and if not, whether it is remediable in any way.

Although it is widely reported that Ohio permits Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary (and vice versa), that is not technically true. Ohio law does permit voters to switch party affiliation on the day of the primary, but it has a rather awkward mechanism that attempts to ascertain that the switch is sincere—and to prevent insincere “party-raiding” of the kind that (as described above) is being reported today.

Section 3513.19 of the Ohio Revised Code states that it is the “duty” of poll workers in Ohio “to challenge the right of person to vote” in a particular party’s primary if a poll worker “doubts” the person’s eligibility based on the ground (among others) that the person is "not affiliated with or is not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote.” The same section further specifies that the poll worker is to determine the voter’s previous party affiliation by examining the voting records of the past two years. If those records show the voter to be a Republican, for example, then before giving the voter a Democratic ballot in the current primary, the statute then directs the poll worker to have the voter sign a “statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.”

This statement is supposed to be the test of the voter’s sincerity in switching party affiliation. Section 3513.20 of the Code make clear that a voter who refuses to sign the statement is to receive a provisional rather than regular ballot. Indeed, even if the voter is willing to sign the statement, but the majority of poll workers at the precinct believe the voter is not sincere in switching parties, then the poll workers are to give the voter a provisional rather than regular ballot.

-snip
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/freefair/articles.php?ID=367

[roseBudd]

22. Thanks for compiling all that info mod mom!

[samplegirl]

19. Thanks for the Link

[Eric J in MN]

12. How can they prove insincerity? NT

NT

[mod mom]

15. Hard to prove since intents we're used, but we should make Superdelegates/Party Leaders

aware of what occurred.

[Berry Cool]

18. Good question.

I would like to see some way implemented that would prevent "mischief voting" or "manipulative voting" or "voting for fun" or whatever you want to call it, but I'm not sure how you would go about implementing it.

[troubleinwinter]

25. There are a few ways. In one Ohio county, dozens of voters who filled out the 'party switch' form

wrote extraneous notes on them such as, "For one day only!". These voters should be looked at. Their names are on the forms, and they signed under election falsification penalties. Also, voters who have given large donations very recently to the republican pary, but 'switch voted' should be looked at. People who are active members of republican campaigns should be looked at.

Voter falsification is a CRIME against democracy, and a FELONY.

While prison terms and fines may be unlikely, convicted felons lose their right to vote. That would truly be justice for these hateful cheater creeps.

If I had given large donations to a certain Dem campaign, was a member of this campaign, and suddenly swithed to vote for Huckabee, could that be legitimately questioned as attempting to sabotage the repubs by picking an easier candidate to beat?

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. Recommended....nt

:kick:

[Horse with no Name]

27. Doesn't this belong in GDP? n/t