I believe that the economic crisis would have been lessened by IMPEACHMENT

[bobthedrummer]

IMPEACHMENT would have given a clear sign to the world that there was the rule of law and accountability here.

Anyone agree with me on that?

[Ishoutandscream2]

1. Agreed!

[bobthedrummer]

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:thumbsup:

[BeFree]

39. It might have actually saved us

Maybe, maybe not. Lawd knows we need something to save us.

Frankly all those dishwater arguments against impeach that we've seen here on DU make me sick. Those against should crawl back in their holes and leave us to fight. IMPEACH!

[Horse with no Name]

3. Yep.

They shirked their Constitutional duty. Proof that we need term limits.
There isn't ONE that is worth keeping longer than 4 years--and if there was...it isn't worth keeping the 20 that invariably hang on.

[bobthedrummer]

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:thumbsup:
:patriot:

[Captain Angry]

5. Not a chance.

What law or accountability would change the way the housing market boomed? (that started before Bush)

The economic issues we're dealing with are not spawned or influenced by Bush. Another politician would have done just as much about what's going on. They would have done nothing.


So, no. Not even a little bit.

Bush has broken enough stuff, and he sure hasn't done anything to help, but impeachment wouldn't have stopped this. Let's say you got Cheney too. Who's next, and what would they have done differently?

[bobthedrummer]

6. It was inevitable-I think IMPEACHMENT would have lessened it

[screembloodymurder]

9. You are 100% wrong.

Bush had everything to do with it.

[bobthedrummer]

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:patriot:

[Donnachaidh]

17. the problem started with Reagan and his de-regulation BS

Bush's delusional war to feed his oil buddies just accelerated the inevitable.

[Captain Angry]

21. That was the foundation.

If there were regulation on lending practices.

If there were oversight on creation of new financial product.

If there were protection from misrepresentations by the news.

We might not be in the condition we're in.

[Captain Angry]

20. If that makes it easier for you to believe, go for it.

Show me something, anything, that shows Bush causing this.

Remember, Bush doesn't write the laws, Congress does, he signs them. If he declared something with an executive order, let's see it.

Furthermore, the Congress has to decide to exert oversight over banking and monetary policy. They didn't.

The economic problems right now belong to a lot of people. His inaction certainly has helped the problems along.

- Bush didn't run out and get people to start overpaying for houses.
- He didn't tell the banks to start using high-net-worth lending practices with median-income households.
- He didn't tell Wall Street investors to take their profits from the housing collapse and invest in commodities like oil, wheat and gold.

He's the worst president in the history of the country for plenty of reasons. His war policy has hurt our country's ability to fix itself, and to dedicate money to more future looking, sustainable projects.

He's not the one shopping at Wal-Mart, forcing us to sell dollars to buy yuan thereby reducing the demand for the dollar.

[bobthedrummer]

23. In a democracy the Congress works for the people, and upholds OUR Constitution.

[Captain Angry]

27. That is absolutely true.

We had plenty of Congress members that didn't even try to enact protections. It was all about watching the bubble inflate, since it looked good on everybody's balance sheet. They were too weak to say that there could be a problem.

[Donnachaidh]

37. that's true Bob, but when was the last time our representatives TRULY represented the middle class?

It certainly hasn't done so since the Reagan era. And it's NOT going to do so in the near future - I don't care WHO becomes president.

We need to toss ALL the wankers out. TERM LIMITS installed at all levels of the WH, Congress AND the Supreme Court.

Too many of these wankers think they've established themselves on Mount Olympus. We need to remind them otherwise.

[midnight armadillo]

31. This nails it

Sure, Bush's habit of not enforcing regulations certainly didn't help, but the economic house of cards we've been living in would have come crashing down sooner or later, Bush or no Bush.

At least it's happening on Bush's watch so President Obama just has to work the cleanup and not take the blame for the collapse.

[Captain Angry]

32. The next president is going to have a lot of work to do.

They will have to explain why things went so wrong, but be political enough about it to be presidential.

After that, they'll have to detail very quickly and get implemented some programs that will create real jobs with real pay with real benefits. Something that will be demanded by citizens and businesses in other countries so that they buy our dollar back into a stronger position.

If we get the wrong president, things could get extremely ugly. I have a feeling that a lot of decisions have been held off for a year as companies wait for the next administration to come in. If we get more of the same, those plans are going to be pushed back another 4 years.

[angrycarpenter]

7. I disagree

The greedheads on wall street would have panicked at the thought that congress was going after their head cheerleader. They would have sabotaged the economy just to make it look bad for the democrats.

[eppur_se_muova]

8. Absolutely. No half measures! nt

[bobthedrummer]

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[jobycom]

12. I dunno. I'd still love to see them impeach the bastard, even if he's removed on his last day.

But even so, impeaching him would have given us Cheney. Impeaching Cheney would have taken us pretty much to inauguration day. And with a vacancy at the VP level, McCain would have more than likely become president, so he'd be an incumbent. Then he'd be able to argue that either A) the economy was doing well because of his actions, or B) more likely, the economy stunk because the Democrats tied Congress up in impeachment hearings.

And it's all moot, anyway. It would have been a symbolic trial that would have left Bush in office, and the biggest message to the rest of the world would have been that America was powerless to remove the imbecile. Worse, the message to Bush would have been "We fired all our bullets, so you are pretty much bulletproof now," and we'd likely be at war in Iran by this point.

I'd have still liked to have seen it, but that's my righteously offended heart talking, not my brain.

[bluesmail]

29. I still have a teensy bit of hope

that somebody somewhere will pull out the most courageous act EVER, whether it is a politician or a radical, I still have hope right up until the coming elections, whether they are suspended or not,I still have hope.

[Lint Head]

13. I'm totally convinced that if the lying traitor had never been

installed by the United Supreme Cowards we would have a growing economy, no war and habeas corpus would be the law of the land.
:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

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:patriot:

[AwakeAtLast]

14. You can't argue with wisdom.

BushCo tries, though. x(

[bobthedrummer]

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:patriot:

[Thepricebreaker]

15. Wtf would that do? nothing.. Congress is more accountable for economic issues - the purse!

[bobthedrummer]

19. Accountability to we the people is not a market force-neither is the rule of law

they are the heart and soul of democracy.

[Patchuli]

28. Uphold the Constitition comes to mind...

Prosecution for war crimes for wars we can't afford, ending tax cuts for the uber rich during war time. * spent the U.S. Treasury like a drunken soldier!

[WCGreen]

22. Agreed.....

[bobthedrummer]

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:patriot:

[Individualist]

25. K&R

[bobthedrummer]

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:patriot:

[Fireweed247]

30. I agree

We could have gotten out of Iraq as a result and stopped digging the hole deeper. Then we could reclaim the billions stolen by the war profiteers and confiscate the media stations for lying to the people and sell them. We could stop printing dollars and giving them away.

[Senator]

33. Impeachment Could Reverse/Abate It At Any Time

Only impeachment can restore any level of confidence -- from within and without -- in America the ideal.

No one invests in a War Criminal Nation and no one in that nation has any incentive to build for an uncertain future or treat his fellows (including his creditors and debtors) with anything but ruthlessness.

The "New Deal" was working until the election theft of 2000. Now all deals are off.

Only Impeachment can stop the insanity.

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[G_j]

34. K&R!

[madokie]

35. well hell yeah I do

[lonestarnot]

36. No doubt about that. Chimpy is just letting coast nose first into the ground.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. Yes, the country would have regained its credibility in the world

As it is, we look like a banana republic with a petty dictator and oligarchs doing everything they can to screw over the majority.

The only reason we're not living in tin shacks is that we're still hanging onto the remnants of our former prosperity.

[krkaufman]

40. No, the crisis couldn't have been stopped ...

... but impeaching Bush between now and January might be necessary to begin getting rational responses from the government to lessen the impact and begin turning things around.