That's it -- it's over...we have no chance. The freepers on my veterans

[driver8]

board have told me that Obama is now "toast". The people will never forgive him for what the preacher at his church has said. They have informed me that McCain is able to draw "middle of the road" voters, but Obama cannot.

I guess we can stop all of this election talk, huh?

[babylonsister]

1. A vets board? Ask them how many vets and active duty will be

supporting McCain. Rumor has it the most financial support the troops are giving is now going to Obama.

[driver8]

3. Oh, most of the guys on this board would never vote for a Dem.

They are all happy because they think Obama is going down because of the preacher at his church.

[damntexdem]

8. Well, I can see why veternarians are supporting McCain ...

I mean, he's a real animal! ;-)

[John Q. Citizen]

2. My freepers also warned me about Howard Dean taking over the DNC. Seems the scream

meme rendered the good doctor unfit for the task, and the complete and final demise of the Democratic Party hung in the balance should Dean Chair the Dem Central Committee.

When they start making those blanket statements that seem to contradict reality, you know they are scared shitless.

[driver8]

5. That's exactly what I told them.

I said, "You guys must be running scared if this is the best you can come up with...you're grasping at straws."

One guy told me I was delusional if I thought that Obama could beat McCain.

McCain? WTF? I just don't get it...

[Lex]

4. Has a freeper ever been right about anything? The war?

The tax cuts? The economy? ANYthing?

[driver8]

6. Just ask them..., they'll tell you. They are absolutely right and we

are the idiots because we can't see how right they are!!

[CC]

7. Tell them the preacher was

a marine at one time. Least according to the guy on MSNBC just now. No link though.

[AlCzervik]

9. give the 101st keyboard brigade an armchair medal of valor for me please.

[Bigmack]

14. Dunno about the vets posting on that board...

but I find an overwhelming number of Remington Raiders (our pejorative for office clerks) and supply pogues in most of the Veterans groups I know.

Tell me I'm wrong... I won't argue, but that's how I see it.

I'm a veteran, but my world view since the Corps and the Southeast Asian War Games has nothing in common with a Navy Supply Officer or an Air Farce airplane washer. I've got no time for the kind of rah-rah, beerdrinking "patriotism" those guys live for.

If a guy has a lot of time in the shit and chooses to be a bonehead, I've got little in common with him, either.

One thing about US veterans... we just gotta quit making so many of them!

[driver8]

15. These guys are all Navy vets from the USS Enterprise...

we all used to operate nuclear propulsion plants on aircraft carriers. (I was on the Eisenhower.)

They are a smart bunch but man, are they ever conservative!

[Bigmack]

16. Gently....

I'm not trying to start a pissing contest.... but isn't a hi-tech job like that similar to civilian jobs in the nuke industry? Lot of stress on the job, and lots of knowledge and experience needed, lots of pride in a job well done, with or without a uniform.

I don't want to get all "more vet than thou", but the rigors of the service on a carrier include mostly things like boredom and no mail for a week. Nuke Squids... sorry, I mean sailors... aren't really qualified to talk like warriors, are they?

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I wish that people who haven't heard a shot fired would stop talking like they, and only they, know what war is about.

At an extended family gathering, I had a former supply officer tell me that I really didn't have the full picture of the war as a Grunt, and that that getting a degree in History - from some liberal college - just confused me more. He really understood the Vietnam War.

I had to walk away.

[driver8]

18. I wouldn't call them warriors...

and life on a carrier is certainly nothing like life pounding sand. There was a great Doonesbury that came out during the first Gulf War comparing life on a ship to life on the ground. It showed the grunts sweating their asses off in the middle of the desert, and then showed the guys on the ship playing cards and one squid says to another, "Hey, could you turn the air conditioning up a bit?".

Our machinery spaces did get pretty warm when we were in the Gulf or the Red Sea. We were in the Red Sea in August and it was about 110 degrees in the machinery rooms. I used to drop about 25 or 30 pounds on a summer Med Cruise.

[Bigmack]

19. You know...

I was thinking once about the Misery Index aboard ship. I spent a bit of time on AKAs & APA's... in the troop holds, and on a helo carrier.

Add up all the sweat, smell, noise, and vibration... throw in some idiot grabass, and your Misery Meter redlines.

Only the chow on Navy ships made it bearable. Marine chow is awful....

(Of course, I still haven't forgiven the Squid cooks for giving us all the shits for the Marine Corps birthday aboard the USS Okanogan.)

[Fleshdancer]

10. are these the same freepers who thought Obama was Muslim last week?

:rofl:

[lpbk2713]

11. The rethuglican potty is toast and those assholes are the last ones to know.

They shot themselves in the foot a long time ago. Time for them to wake up and have a look at the real world.

[Subdivisions]

12. I hate presidential campaigns. Who gives a crap what

the PREACHER says as it relates to Obama's ability to be president? I happen to agree with Pastor Wright's words. But do I think Obama should be held responsible for them? Hell no! When we choose our spiritual guide, does that mean that we will follow and agree with everything they say? Hell no! Are we able to discern for ourselves what makes up the whole of spiritual guide and that they, too, have their human feelings and failings? Perhaps Pastor Wright's comment are controversial, but it comes from issue of racism and one could hardly blame his frustration.

We all take pieces of those who raise and nurture us. But we, ourselves, decide how to assemble those pieces, using those which make us stronger and discarding that which doesn't. The simple fact is that we can learn from those we don't always agree with in some fashion. In this case, it was the way Pastor Wright delivered his sermon that is controversial, but the unlying message is still the same.

I thought Obama's speech this morning was absolutely brilliant and IMHO is the best speech on the injustice of racism since Martin Luther King spoke on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and spoke so eloguently about a dream that today still eludes us all.

[Bigmack]

13. Have them look at the Vietvets against McCain site...

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

This isn't us smearing McInsane....those guys ain't liberals....
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The same guys who "Swiftboated" John Kerry are now saying the same kind of stuff about John McCain.

For example....one says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"

Another says John McCain: Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups

The comments from Jerome Corsi and Ted Sampley and vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com are similar to the crap they said about Kerry. Either Corsi and the others are just liars about both men, or they are right about both men. I don't think it's necessary to attack McCain on his war record, but it certainly is fair that his critics get the same kind of airing that they did when Kerry was running. Where's the mainstream media's prime-time discussion of any of the accusations against McCain from his rightwingnut accusers?

You might want to send this to anybody you know who listened to Corsi and Sampley when they shoveled all that crap about Kerry.
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This quote is from...
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hacker_2.htm
and is authored by Col. Dave Hackworth... a generally respected war hero. He's no liberal.

"None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnamera) POWs."

McCain's Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 the day after he was shot down to 8 December 1968 reads: "His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…" of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.

Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

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http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd59.htm


John McCain the second-term Republican senator from Arizona and former Navy pilot captured and held prisoner during the Vietnam War, is a fraud, collaborator, and danger to the security of the United States because he is being black-mailed by the communist Vietnamese. He is a phony--a "rhinestone hero."

While a prisoner of war, McCain was treated as a "special prisoner," with privileges including being given his own private and affectionate nurse.

McCain's treatment as a "special prisoner" is a contradiction to his much publicized image of a great war hero who was severely tortured and kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time because he refused to break during interrogation.

Ted Guy, a former Air Force Colonel held 5 1/2 years by the Vietnamese and McCain's senior ranking officer (SRO) in the POW camp, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch he cannot remember the communists ever laying a hand on McCain.

Other sources have told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that the Vietnamese are holding as much as fifty hours of film footage secretly taken of McCain during the time his KGB-trained handlers had him isolated from other U.S. prisoners of war.

Some of the film, according to the sources, is of McCain receiving special privileges during the time he claims he was being tortured and held in long-term solitary confinement.

The sources say interrogators have candid camera footage of McCain with the nurse, who allegedly supplied him with more than just medical attention during those lonely days and nights in so-called solitary confinement.

In June 1992, Trung Hieu, a film director from the Vietnamese Ministry of Culture and former North Vietnamese Army photographer, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that Hanoi does have considerable film of POW McCain and some of it involves a Vietnamese woman.

A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!"

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http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm

John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups

By Ted Sampley U.S. Veteran Dispatch January 27, 2008

[lonestarnot]

17. Just assholes with opinions. Fuck 'em.

[CANDO]

20. I'm a Veteran

I'm voting for Obama.

[driver8]

21. I'm a veteran, also.

You bet your ass that I'm voting for Obama!!

[rocktivity]

22. The vets should be a lot more worried about McCain beating THEM

with more overdeploying, under-equipping, overpaying mercenaries, and denying them benefits and services. Even if they're willing to bet that their suffering will end when Bush leaves, that leaves the question of why McCain haven't spoken up for them sooner.

:headbang:
rocknation

[avenger64]

23. Barama's campaign has been about 1% substance ...

... but it just goes to show the stupidity of the american political process that some speech by an irrelevant radical would be the determining factor of this race (pun intended).