So All Of Heather Mills' Charges Against Sir Paul Were Bogus

[DemocratSinceBirth]

She said he physically and psychologically abused her...

The judge said there was no evidence of that...

I have always been a fan of his, having seen him live four times... It seemed out of character...I'm glad it wasn't true...

[Lex]

1. No evidence of something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It just means there's no evidence of it.

I didn't believe her either, fwiw.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I Feel Bad

Because I am usually sympathetic to the victim/woman in these situations but her charges seem to be without merit...

She said Paul hit her, was stoned all the time, and wouldn't let her use a bedside commode when she was having her stump revised... She made him sound like a monster...

[Oleladylib]

31. spades are generally spades...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I Don't Get It

The judge said her charges were without merit...

I'm sure they both had the best representation...

Her charges were devastating...

But she said she donates ninety percent of her income to charity... The court determined she donates next to zero, falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus...

Those were horrible charges... He was married to Linda for thirty five years? and we never heard anything like that...

[bdamomma]

68. oh, Linda was his first love.

[Raejeanowl]

86. Not Exactly

You're overlooking Dorothy "Dot" Jarlett (I'm not sure of the spelling) and Jane Asher.

[MrMickeysMom]

140. If a man is lucky, he has one good woman in his life...

and, I suppose, vise versa :-)

[selador]

133. i made this point in antoher thread and got slammed for it

(the case of the woman who claimed to have been raped by football players at the Uni and the prosecutor didn't even have enough evidence to charge)

allegations are not necessarily true

i don't care WHAT kind of trial it is

she may or may not have been abused. personally, i have no idea

but automatically taking anybody's side because of their gender, etc. is always wrong.

i can say one thing from experience (20+ years in law enforcement) . few arenas see more lying (on all sides) than divorce proceedings. all the more so when there is a custody battle or a lot of money at stake

in general, it's very hard (and sometimes impossible ) to prove a negative.

again, i am not saying she was not abused. i am saying that the fact that she made allegations doesn't mean it happened.

[roguevalley]

122. his sister has tapes of his mom and her telling about Paul and his

treatment of them and their father. He was cruel to his father so nothing would supprise me. When you have that much adulation that
long, it changes you. I doubt that he's any different.

RV, who adored the beatles but remembers that they are people.

I also think that as unlikeable as Heather Mills is, she did herself
no favors having no lawyer. Whatever she could prove, she didn't with
herself in charge. Who knows in the end?

[Raejeanowl]

127. His Real Mother Died When He Was A Teenager

The "Mother Mary" in "Let It Be" died of breast cancer when he was 16.

And he didn't get along with his much-younger (arguably a gold-digger herself) stepmother and half-sister, especially after his father died. You'd think Paul might have learned from witnessing that experience. John Lennon's dad did something similar, married a young groupie, produced a child who'd never see the father grow up.

[musette_sf]

128. whose sister

and whose mom? i mean, since Mr McCartney had no sister when he was growing up, and since his mom passed away while he was in his teens.

i think you mean "stepsister" and "stepmom", don't you?

and the tabloid story to which you are referring just seems to be conveniently timed. i wouldn't be surprised if that gold-digger put them up to it with advice from her new counsel, Gloria Allred.

Ms Mills is now free to take that brassiere modeling job for Marks & Sparks, without that controlling ogre Paul standing in the way of her fame and fortune!! :eyes: oh, yeah, and that lucrative career doing interviews on the Larry King show, too. :eyes: reading the judgment was such an eye-opener to what that greedy schemer was all about.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/03/18/judgement.pdf

[CatWoman]

2. Heather Mills has been exposed for the lying, manipulative, greedy

goldigger that she truly is.

the judge slammed her on several fronts.

[LakeSamish706]

7. You took that word right off of my keyboard "goldigger", and thats exactly what she is.. n/t

[CatWoman]

11. and she's ain't messing with no broke.................

:)

[sarcasmo]

44. Exactly, four years she got forty three million, Golddigger of the year award.

[leftynyc]

98. I saw yesterday that it worked

out to $32,000 for each day married.

[sarcasmo]

134. My Mother always said golddigger paid well.

[malaise]

57. Ding Ding we have a winner n/t

[Vinca]

3. I never believed it for a moment. Stella, Paul's daughter, had

Heather figured out from day one. (I saw him - with the Beatles - 3 times!)

[melody]

10. All of his daughters did

Paul's recent quote, "Always listen to your daughters about marital decisions."

[Darth_Kitten]

71. Stella is no prize........

and apparently neither were Paul and Linda.

[MrMickeysMom]

141. Well, who on earth IS?

I mean, it's not like we should know these people any more intimately than we know ourselves...

[kwenu]

4. The newsreports said Heather Mills dumped a glass of water on McCartney's attorney.

before she came out and tried to claim how she was so mistreated. That shows her character loud and clear. She's lucky she didn't get arrested for assault.

[kskiska]

18. Water incident

Paul McCartney's lawyer Fiona Shackelton: Before and after the water incident

[Iggo]

24. I love how the smile got bigger...

...AFTER she got doused!

As my dad would say (and so would I; I'm just blaming it on Dad), "There's a real broad there."

[Manifestor_of_Light]

76. Hopping Mad should have been thrown in the gaol for CONTEMPT OF COURT.

Judges here DO NOT PUT UP with those antics. I can't believe she got away with that disrespect of the court and the officers of the court.

[Hannah Bell]

83. Hey, she's married to a descendant of the antarctic explorer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Shackleton

[lumberjack_jeff]

129. No kiddIng? If I want tough, you want a Shackleton. n/t

[progressoid]

112. She looks 20 years younger without that 70's doo.

[Merlot]

124. She should consider this new look!

Much more contemporary. thanks for nothing but this, heather...

[Oleladylib]

32. I hope it was HOT and she chose correctly.

[WillowTree]

89. They were saying on the radio today...

....that they considered charging her with assault but decided not to because no one wanted to have to see or listen to her anymore.

[Pharaoh]

5. she was just a gold digger

what was the verdict anyways? how much did she get?

Yeah, Paul really got screwed in more ways than one by that sorry excuse of a woman........

[RockaFowler]

8. She got 48.6 Million

Way too much in my opinion

[CatWoman]

12. 15 million of that was her own wealth

On Monday, Bennett awarded Mills a $48.6 million divorce settlement after her four-year marriage to the former Beatle. Mills had sought almost $250 million, while McCartney had offered $31.6 million, including Mills' own assets.

The settlement included a lump sum of $33 million, plus the assets Mills currently holds worth $15.6 million.

Some legal experts were surprised the former model did not get more.

"In the scheme of things, it's quite surprisingly low," said Patricia Hollings, a divorce specialist with London law firm Finers Stephens Innocent. "It is only offering her about 6 percent of his assets. In terms of high-wealth cases it's very low."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/heather-mills-reportedly-_n_92040.html

[anitar1]

54. Like a fool, she acted as her own lawyer. What an ego. n/t

[YellowRubberDuckie]

62. What is killing me is the fact that all of this is in American Dollars.

She got like 24 Million pounds or something. It's making it seem like she got a lot more than she did to the crazy american minds anyway.
Duckie

[SOS]

118. Today's rate is 2 to 1

24 million pounds is exactly 48 million dollars.

[Lex]

9. no fool like an old fool

as they say

I feel bad that he didn't listen to those around him about her.

[LakeSamish706]

13. I guess the good news is that he is worth an estimated 1.3 billion so he will be ok...

The bad news is the shit that she drug him through over this.

[Lex]

15. Absolutely agree.

Costly mistake, but it won't sink him. Plus now everyone knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what a nutbucket she is.

[Oleladylib]

33. He wears it well.

[JuniperLea]

6. I'm his "birthday buddy"!

I can't help it! When I was four years old and found out we shared the same birthday, I was a fan for life.

This trollop lied her butt off... and after the fact she made herself look the complete idiot when she complained about the amount of child support she would get... an amount that she herself should match, imho.

She got far too much $$... but I hope this ends it. If she keeps up the hating, she needs to lose custody. That's not a good environment in which to raise a child. I would think anyone worth their maternal salt would shy away from saying anything negative about a child's father in public where it may be recorded and the child has a chance to see it some day down the line.

[Oleladylib]

14. Here we go with the anti feminist garbage again..Go Heather..

[melody]

20. Oh please - anti-feminist? Heather Mills is a psychopath

McCartney is a flawed human being, but if you speak with anyone who has worked for him (and I know someone who has), no one has
anything but positive things to say about him. Now go and talk to anyone who has crossed paths with Mills. I dare you.

[Darth_Kitten]

72. Paul was quite the misogynist.......

and leaving out drug paraphenalia in your home with young kids about? Not very bright, Paul.

[melody]

74. There's absolutely no evidence that McCartney did a damned thing

And plenty of evidence that Heather Mills lied her ass off.

[Darth_Kitten]

106. Ask his blood relatives........

apparently not the Saint everyone wants to believe a Beatle is.

We like to think we know people but there's more to the story. Paul's a master of PR, so knows how to cover his own butt.

[MrMickeysMom]

142. Tsk.... imagine that

Never being able to live long without a woman, then having the love of his life somehow understand this... living with Beatles fame and smoking some dope.

Let's all be Pat Boone and hang around with Dick Clark while we couldn't care less about all the things McCartney ever did.

Cluck, cluck, cluck...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

21. Yo. Freeze.

I worked in the music business for 27 years. I have lots of friends who worked with McCartney over the years. They loved him and when Linda was alive, them. Kind, down-to-earth, generous, caring...all things I have heard to describe him and Linda. No one had a bad thing to say.

Just because a woman makes the charge, doesn't make it true. Women are just as capable of reprehensible behaviour as any man. That's part of equality.

[melody]

25. Precisely

Paul once heard an office worker's father was having to mortgage their home to pay for his wife's cancer treatments (this was
well before Linda was ill, btw). The next day, the man went to the hospital with the deed to their home to arrange financing
(which would eat up all their equity) and found that the bill had been paid. The hospital had been further directed to send
any follow-up bill to ... MPL (this being McCartney's company).

[LakeSamish706]

26. I think the biggest problem of all is, Paul was lonely having lost Linda and he was....

looking for someone to love, someone that looked allot like Linda. He found Heather (who I believe was lying in waiting) and took him for his money, end of story. Of course she did a hell of allot more damage to him in the total aftermath.

[hyphenate]

49. What Linda and Paul did for animal welfare

in GB was astonishing. Together, their influence virtually destroyed the fur breeding trade there, and made vegetarianism cool. If a person cares for animals in such loving and concerned ways, you know damned well that they will treat human beings in the same way.

[Hannah Bell]

82. Like Hitler?

:>)

I'm Pro-Paul, but I know plenty of animal lovers who don't treat people well.

[tuckessee]

113. You knew Hitler?

Hannah Reitsch, is that you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. See Post Nineteen

~

[BoneDaddy]

30. Why is being critical of a woman anti-feminist?

With that incredible leap in logic you are saying that you cannot criticize a gold digging sociopath. Shame when the reaction formation is so strong and illogical in people.

[Oleladylib]

34. Of course if I called him a drugged up SOB I might be accused of being

an anti chauvanist so it's all good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I'm Sure He Still Gets High (Pot)

I doubt he's dropped acid in the past forty years...

The man is a treasure...

[Darth_Kitten]

105. Yeah, he and Linda just left needles, etc, on their coffee tables.....

nice people. :)

[MrMickeysMom]

143. Where do you GET this crap?

Copies of "true dimentia" magazine? Jesus...

[BoneDaddy]

60. No, if he was and there was enough proof

I would say you were being accurate. And even if he was, that wouldn't make her any different.

[earth mom]

41. I'm with you. There is no proof that Paul was an angel in the relationship.

It takes two people, yet because Paul is idolized, people have him on a pedestal and won't believe a bad word about him.

If Paul is such a good guy, why did he allow the divorce to become so acrimonious? He's rich enough that the money he finally gave Heather was no big deal to him. Yet, he let it all hang out and made Heather fight him tooth and nail. That is piggish behavior and shouldn't be condoned!

GO Heather!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. He Offered A Private Settlement Of Fifty Million Which She Declined

~

[earth mom]

51. Which is her right. It takes TWO. Don't forget that. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. She Should Have Taken It

She wanted half his dough which could have been anywhere from $400 to $800 million ...

[earth mom]

53. Which is her right in many places in the world-half of the assets. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. That's Only If The Spouse WasThere While The Assets Were Being Accrued

Paul was a billionaire when he met her...

[mondo joe]

67. Which place in the world grants you half the assets earned before you were together?

[BoneDaddy]

92. For doing NONE of the work that made his money

give me a break. Fucking bloodsuckers.

[Darth_Kitten]

104. Really?

n/t So much has been thrown about......

[Growler]

48. Where's the sarcasm tag?

I don't get your post at all.... :(

[earth mom]

50. Why? Because it's easier to pin ALL the problems in a marriage on the woman?

Sorry, but I'm not on the Paul bandwagon. He's just another very rich rock star to me who can buy whatever he wants with his money and who choose not to settle the matter quickly and quietly.

He got what he paid for-a lot of bad press and ill will.

[CatWoman]

58. in this case, it's apparent that's where all the problems lay

[Darth_Kitten]

78. None of the Beatles were model husbands.

Also heard Linda McCartney was quite abusive to her daughter Heather when she was a kid.

[CatWoman]

84. it's well known that was true of the husbands in their younger days

can that be said of them now?

I've heard nothing about Linda McCartney being abusive, but aren't we talking about Paul?

[juajen]

88. Well, I'm a feminist from the word go, but I do call a spade a

spade, and as far as I'm concerned that's a mighty expensive prostitute. I am assuming that the child is being independently provided for, and this amount is not the child's future inheritance.

[BoneDaddy]

93. Wow talk about baggage

see much through those tainted glasses?

[calimary]

63. But as I understand it (which of course could be faulty), he wanted ALL

the court documents released. She balked. Wonder why she'd want to keep some of that under wraps? Perhaps it proved her allegations were completely false?

AHA! Vindicated! See Post 59.

We TOLD you not to marry her, Paulie! You should have listened to us - AND to your daughters too. We tried to warn you she was a golddigger! So were some of her acquaintances back then, after he'd proposed to her, who said before she met him she was always talking about get-rich-quick schemes. REALLY into that, she was, according to some of them. Always looking for a way to get rich.

You could NOT fool us, Miz Heather. You may have fooled him for awhile and made him think only with his "other" head, but it didn't work with the rest of us.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

119. What?

"If Paul is such a good guy, why did he allow the divorce to become so acrimonious?"

He offered her a huge wad of cash for such a short marriage. The acrimony came entirely from Mills... How dare he let he be the gold digging jerk that she so naturally is... She wanted a quarter billion dollars! and when she was offered 50 she started making crap up to damage Paul.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

64. Anti feminist?

Oh shit, dude, what the hell? It's not the fact that she's a female. It's the fact that she's a freaking gold digger and a stupid lying idiot.
Duckie

[mondo joe]

65. You might as well say it's anti feminist to oppose Ann Coulter. NT

[melody]

16. Her lies about his adopted daughter were especially vile

His eldest daughter has mental health problems and a suicide attempt, which Heather Mills cheerfully publicized
in court without mentioning that said daughter's biological father was a manic depressive who committed suicide.

He's definitely not a saint (who is), but her charges should be seen in the light of her prior
proclaimed life history about half of which was bull.

[HerbieHeadhunter]

17. Several years ago

...Ringo asked Paul if he went down on one knee the night Paul proposed to her. Paul said he did, but also added that Ringo should to stop calling Heather that.

*drum beat* *cymbol crash*

[Raejeanowl]

87. OMG I Just Got That!

And Paul was quoted later today as saying the whole Heather debacle left a bad taste in his mouth.

[kskiska]

22. Judge Rips Heather Mills, Praises Paul in Divorce Ruling

The judge gave Heather Mills hundreds of millions of dollars less than she wanted after finding her "inconsistent" and "less than candid," according to a scathing judgment made public Tuesday.

"She was a less than impressive witness," says the judge, Justice Bennett. "The wife for her part must have felt rather swept off her feet by a man as famous as the husband. I think this may well have warped her perception leading her to indulge in make-belief."

The judge by contrast, described McCartney as "consistent, accurate and honest." (Click here to see the full judgment.)

(snip)

Other Revelations in the Judgment

• McCartney did tell the judge Mills "has always been a good mother." And he revealed he and Mills stopped using contraception the night they were married in 2002.
• Although he is very rich, the judge said McCartney lived in a "very modest property" on a 1,500-acre property in Sussex, England.
• Charity campaigner Mills had not given 80-90 percent of her income to charity as she told the court. "Moreover her tax returns disclose no charitable giving at all."

much, much more…
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20184963,00.html

[Oleladylib]

28. Poor, poor Paul.. she took the handslappin' well I'd say...she sure was smilin'.

[melody]

46. Heather Mills lied hideously about all her stepdaughters - where is your defense of them?

Or is it just evil women you defend?

[Darth_Kitten]

75. Her stepdaughters were vile, vicious, catty spoiled brats.

And right, Stella, having the McCartney name to back you up NEVER did anything for your career. I mean, after all, don't all graduates of trade school go on to earn 6 figure salaries?

[melody]

77. Only when Heather drew first blood.

Let me guess, you're a Lennon fan, right? ;)

[Darth_Kitten]

79. Not really, but I've read some books on the Beatles.....

and just don't get the impression that Paul was that "cute" ;)

He was always a whiz at public relations, though.

[melody]

81. You ever speak with anyone who actually knew them?

I have. He knew them for quite some time actually. He adored Paul.

McCartney is a mega-rich man -- he has definitely a lot of flaws, but Heather Mills shows every indication
of being a major sociopath. She has done this before.

[MrMickeysMom]

144. I think she's just jealous...

Probably wrote McCartney a fan letter and never got a reply. :cry:

Now... she's "getting back"!

[Oleladylib]

29. Poor, poor Paul.. she took the handslappin' well I'd say...she sure was smilin'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Most Of Her Charges Could Never Be Proved Or Disproved Definitvely

Those are the worst charges... The "I saw my neighbor sexually abusing his dog" variety...But her claim to make large donations could be proved or disproved and they were disproved...

Falsus in uno...Falsus in omnibus...

[BuelahWitch]

27. I feel sorry for the little girl

I hope Sir Paul gets custody.

[mr_hat]

35. Yeah, Pity Joan Crawford's gone.

Who'll play Heather now?

[Oleladylib]

37. Guess the judge musta lived with them to be so sure...typical legal gibberish.

[Javaman]

47. Heather is that you? nt

[Raejeanowl]

131. PSST.......

That's not what "legal gibberish" means.

Heather Mills' treatment in court has nothing to do with feminist issues, not that you'd comprehend what a bona fide feminist issue was.

Court proceedings call for real evidence, not a bunch of histrionic accusations thrown around to see what sticks, and water dumped on enemy heads. They ain't patient and kindly about dealing with Romper Room tactics. It's not Jerry Springer time, either.

By the way, Heather's attorneys dumped her for her slash-and-burn lunatic approach.

[Clear Blue Sky]

38. And Heather sings...

"Yesterday...all my troubles seemed so far away"...

It's been a hard day's night for her. Perhaps she should move along the long and winding road and just let it be. Else she will end up in the Octupus's garden with Uncle Albert and the Nowhere Man.

[World Traveller]

91. FUNNY, Very Clever, I Laughed Out Loud

Thanks, I needed a laugh. Plus I love clever humor and your take on the situation and Heather is certainly that.

From all I've read (including the glass dumping, which is unbelievable), sounds like she belongs in the Octopus' garden with the Nowhere Man.

[NDambi]

39. I ain't saying she's a GOLD DIGGA...

[SoCalDem]

42. He's just a guy.. a guy who was lonely after Linda died

maybe she thought she could hook up with him and "live happily ever after"..

Marriages fail..

He must have loved her, or he would have demanded a pre-nup..

did she scam him?
did she get pregnant to gain money in a split?

who knows?

only those two..

I feel sad for the little girl

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. Pre-nups aren't legally enforcable in England

Pre-nuptial agreements are not generally enforced in the English divorce courts. A divorce lawyer is often asked about the possibility of making a pre-nuptial agreement before entering into a marriage. The normal reason for asking is that at least one of the parties to the intended marriage wishes to preserve previously acquired assets from the jurisdiction of the divorce courts. Unfortunately, the answer in almost all cases is that the jurisdiction of the divorce courts cannot be ousted in this way and that a pre-nuptial agreement is hardly worth the paper it is written on.
...
In order to understand why this is so one has to realise that the tradition of the English divorce courts is to look at all the assets of the marriage at the time of the divorce and to distribute them - "his", "hers" and "theirs" - in whatever way they see fit and accordance with the perceived needs of the parties and of any children. This is done in accordance with certain principles laid down by statute and case law but nevertheless this is the basic outlook of English divorce law when it comes to regulating financial matters between the parties. Indeed, it is an attitude which is shared by Parliament and this paternalistic approach is very different from the more "free market" approach which prevails in the US and which allows the parties to a marriage more freedom to regulate their own financial affairs in the event of divorce.

http://www.terry.co.uk/pre-nuptial.html

On the pregnancy front, he said:

We stopped using contraception the night we were married. There was never any question of us doing so before the wedding.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7303080.stm

[damntexdem]

56. But she was very good at throwing water.

Can't criticize her aim at all.

[CatWoman]

59. no, that sucked too

some examples:

• Mills demanded £3.25 million a year from her ex-husband

• Macca said Mills 'loved being the centre of attention'

• Ruling reveals the former model greatly exaggerated her wealth before her marriage

• Judge blocks Mills' request for £500,000 budget for lavish holidays

• Court heard Mills had bugged conversations between her husband and his daughter Stella

In the mammoth 58-page document, in which he constantly sides with the ex-Beatle, Mr Justice Bennett accuses the former model of indulging in "make-believe" after being "swept off her feet" by the singer.

While praising Sir Paul for his "balanced" evidence, he criticises Miss Mills for exaggerating her own wealth and falsely claiming she helped revive Sir Paul's career.

Miss Mills, 40, had argued that the complex details in the ruling could compromise the security of her four-year-old daughter, Beatrice.

But there were also rumours she might want to avoid its publication because it contained disparaging remarks about her conduct.

The speculation was more than borne out by the judgement, which contained astonishing detail about the couple's relationship and amounts to a no-holes barred decimation of Miss Mills's claims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=538149&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

[bdamomma]

66. she soaked him for 48 million dollars.

she was only out for his money.

[girl gone mad]

69. I guess it should be a wake up call..

to wealthy men. A lot of young women see them as little more than walking wallets to be taken advantage of.

Paul McCartney was probably accustomed to the public adulation and affection and let it go to his head, but his best years were behind him. Now she has his money and she can sleep with younger men.

Poor Paul, Seems like such a nice guy.

[Annces]

70. So she is an extortionist

I read she was going to donate the money to Animal rights charity, but never did. And that she has never donated to animal rights charities!

[CatWoman]

73. here's what she was demanding

Here's a rundown of her expenses:
• Mills claimed for seven fully staffed properties with full-time housekeepers in the annual sum of $1.29 million.

• Annual holiday costs of $1 million including private and helicopter flights of $375,000.

• $250,000 for clothes per year.

• $60,000 for equestrian activities annually. The judge noted she no longer rides horses.)

• $80,000 for wine a year. The judge pointed out she does not drink alcohol.

• $86,000 for a driver a year.

• $40,000 for a carer and $380,000 for professional fees p.a.

• $1.08 million a year for security.

• $1.25 million annually to give as charitable donations but Mills admitted $985,000 would be used en route in helicopters, first class and private jets.

• $146,000 for the cost of business staff and $80,000 for helicopter hospital flights a year.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20185033,00.html?xid=rss-fullcontentnews

[progressoid]

110. $80,000 a year for wine?

We all have to make sacrifices. It's a recession, so I've cut back to about $60,000/year (and I've been buying some domestic as well).

[musette_sf]

130. she needs to switch to the "Two Quid Sid"

at Trader Nigel's.... :evilgrin:

[melody]

80. She should call Adnan Khashoggi - maybe she can get her old job back

:evilgrin:

[JI7]

85. yes, i no longer believe anything about Paul being abusive

before i wasn't sure. i didn't want to say she was lying and give her the benefit.

but from what the judge said and other things i'm pretty sure Paul never did anything abusive. of course we can't say for sure. but we can say there is nothing there to show he did anything bad.

personally i'm happy to hear this.

i remember seeing him with Yoko ono, Ringo Starr and others on larry king and they were just so great and friendly together. just like family. he was the paul we always knew. he is seriously a sweet guy.

i don't think he ever got over Linda's death and in some ways he never will. i think he was thinking if he got married again the pain would go away a bit.

[Darth_Kitten]

100. Yes, if you are a public figure who smiles a lot how can you be abusive....

in private? :sarcasm:

[El Pinko]

90. Biased much? "sir Paul"?

Not saying that I am on Mills' side - she seems to be a rather greedy and horrible woman, but at the same time, Paul (the "sir" is an meaningless title granted to him by a person occupying a hereditary and obsolete post) has hundreds of millions of dollars - even if she got everything she wanted, he would still be fabulously wealthy.

This is a matter between two people, and whatever happened between them is a matter for them and the courts to worry about.


I guess I'm just bothered by the knee-jerk misogynist hatred for "gold-diggers" in this society.

I personally don't see "gold-digging" as any more or less moral than any other method of amassing a fortune.

Most gold-diggers are born with nothing, they see an opportunity and they take it - they would be follish not to.


Paul MacCartney, as talented and as much of a cultural icon as he is, is still just a human being and a musician, and is no more entitle to hundreds of millions of dollars than anyone else.

So if she gets a chunk of it, more power to her. He'll be rid of an annoying one-legged b***h, and she will undoubtedly create a lot of work for manicurists, intereior designers and other people in whatever community she decides to settle in.

Honestly, with all his wealth, I would have thought Paul would have just given her the settlement and been done with it. What a stingy man!


Whatever - the trivial squabbles of the super-rich. Pssht.

[girl gone mad]

94. You make a good point.

I also think maybe their should be a reciprocal term for men who chase after a women young enough to be their children. Youth-digger?

She is an opportunist, but so is he. Selling the Beatles catalog to Michael Jackson, for instance. I have a hard time imagining Lennon would have approved of that one..

[Seeking Serenity]

109. A factual error

Selling the Beatles catalog to Michael Jackson, for instance. I have a hard time imagining Lennon would have approved of that one.

He didn't. The former owner of the publishing rights, ATV Music (owned by Lew Grade, which bought out Northern Songs, co-owned by Brian Epstein and Dick James, in the late 60s) was up for sale in 1984 and Michael Jackson outbid Paul for the publishing rights to the Beatles songs. Paul even tried to enlist the help of Yoko to raise the cash needed, but to no avail. (Just goes to show one can be asset rich but cash poor.)

So Paul didn't sell the publishing rights to Jacko, he lost them to him. Big difference.

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/jackson.asp

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. "This is a matter between two people"

Then why did she go (public) with tales of physical and psychological abuse?

[mattclearing]

97. That's disgusting.

Marrying simply for money is just another perfectly valid, if opportunistic path to the American (or British, in this case) Dream? What a cynical view.

[mondo joe]

99. He's significantly more entitled to hundreds of millions of dollars than she is, on the basis

of having earned it.

[El Pinko]

114. Nobody "earns" hundreds of millions of dollars

I realize that many will disagree with me on this, but that amount of money is enough for HUNDREDS of people to live on for a lifetime.


There comes a point beyond which wealth simply becomes obscene. He made a few albums way back in the 60s and 70s, and they continue to produce income for him. He no longer has to "earn" a living - he made some investments that turned out to be extremely lucrative.

For all I know, he's as insufferable as she is, so she may very well have earned a chunk of his dough (which he has no shortage of) by sleeping with his decrepit bod and enduring his alleged abuse.

Maybe he is a saint. I don't really care. Whatever he is, he will still be an obscenely rich man when Mills is through with him.

I just hope she doesn't give all the money to PETA...

[riverdeep]

116. "He made a few albums..."

Yeah, and Einstein came up with a few theorems.

Don't worry about her giving it all to PETA, apparently she doesn't give anything, but claims she does.

[El Pinko]

121. He made Wings albums. Lennon was the Einstein of the Beatles...

...and even he didn't "deserve" hundreds of millions of bucks.

[riverdeep]

126. Nonsense.

There was a tremendous amount of interplay among the group, especially in the beginning. As well as healthy competition in songwriting, according to them. McCartney provided the guitar solo for Harrison's 'Taxman', he played guitar, along with Harrison, and Lennon, on the guitar break in 'The End'. He and John collaborated and played around with lyrics. The Beatles were the sum total of their parts, not any one person. BTW, Lennon was my favorite, too, but give the man his due. 'Eleanor Rigby' isn't chopped liver.

Also, this is something few people care about, but he was one of the greatest rock bassists of all time.

As far as who deserves it, that's an issue with capitalism, should there be a ceiling on earnings? That's something that seems outside the scope of this discussion.

[El Pinko]

137. The capitalism issue is not removed for me.

If what she was doing would harm his ability to have food and shelter or decent standard of living in any way, I might sympathize, but it won't so I don't.

There are few phrases in English that are as despicable as "the lifestyle to which he/she has become accustomed".

And I reiterate - I don't really care if she gets all she's asking for or less. She doesn't deserve it either.

I'm just saying I don't blame her for trying.

She'd be a sap if she didn't try to come out of this with as much as possible.

[mondo joe]

125. He played by the rules, he earned his money.

You may dislike the rules - I'm not entirely fond of them myself. But he didn't steal or chat anyone to earn it.

[El Pinko]

136. She's playing by the rules, too.

Taking a husband to court to fleece him is within the rules.

[mondo joe]

145. She worked the system, is more like it. But yes, she was within the rules.

Unfortunately the rules can't discern intent.

[El Pinko]

148. Her intent is to leave a bad marriage with some money.

She may well have loved him once and he turned out to be a jerk as she claims.

Or maybe not. Only the two of them know the whole truth.

She will never again have an opportunity like this and she would be a fool not to sue for the biggest possible settlement.

I will say this, she is one of the worst people in the world at PR.

Suing an icon like McCartney will never help you win a popularity contest,

but it almost seems like she goes out of her way to make people hate her.

[mondo joe]

149. She may have gone in with good faith. Or she may have gone in with the intent to put in

a couple of years to get as much of his money as she could.

[riverdeep]

117. 'Gold-digger' is a respected profession now?

That's a desperate argument if I ever heard one.

[El Pinko]

123. I respect gold-diggers as much as I respect insurance salesmen.

And if your wife divorced you, I guarantee she would get a bigger share of your net worth than Mills is even asking from McCartney.

[madmom]

132. She got quite a tidy sum for being married for such a short time, I also

see she threw water in his lawyers face, that tells a lot about her, and I don't trust insurance salesmen as far as I can spit.

[El Pinko]

147. That was a very tacky outburst. She deserves a contempt of court citation for it.

Perhaps court procedure in the UK is different than here.

But the issue of her behavior is separate from her divorce demands, which I consider to be ... sensible.

IE, she's divorcing one of the richest men in the UK, and it behooves her to seek the largest settlement possible.

I know I would. But I wouldn't have a tantrum in the courtroom...

[Slagathor]

95. She is a wretched, disgraceful gold-digger

I'm glad she didn't get what she wanted. It would be better still if she lost custody of the child. That would serve her right for making unwarranted accusations.

[Darth_Kitten]

101. So you know all the facts?

She would have gotten a good settlement no matter what all the bitter,jealous persons in the world thought of the matter.

[mondo joe]

103. Does "bitter and jealous" explain your smears of Harry, Edward and the girlfriend?

Thought so.

[Darth_Kitten]

107. Do you get out much? Try to think some more......

:eyes: William, Harry and girlfriend? Wow, someone with enough time to monitor all my posts. Please get out more. (though I still don't have much respect for lazy elitists who can't hold down a job, most people don't, you know?) But I digress......

Also, I'm not the one so twisted and bitter because Heather McCartney got a settlement. Move on, dear, women get settlements. Huge, jealous chip on your shoulder? Yes, we all thought so.

[mondo joe]

108. I'm out quite a bit, thanks.

I'm not monitoring your posts. I'm blessed with a good memory.

Women - and men - get settlements, true. Many are well deserved. This one isn't. :-)

[mondo joe]

102. IMO she is guilty of theft.

It's not the sort of thing that can be proved, but my own feeling is that she married him knowing she'd divorce him and take a chunk of his assets with her.

[Mad_Dem_X]

111. HATE the woman

HATE her. She's one of those women who deserved to be called the certain word I would rather not say (or type).

[mzmolly]

115. I think that people are complex. Neither McCartney or Mills is all good or all bad.

They're flawed people like the rest of us.

[riverdeep]

120. I held off on forming an opinion either way.

Because I know that just because someone is talented and publicly loved, doesn't mean that they will treat their loved ones well or not have dark sides that, even when evidence is revealed, the adoring public refuses to accept. Witness icons like Ghandi or Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa was essentially a fraud, and Ghandi treated his own family harshly (not to mention his idea of non-violence can only apply in limited situations, for example, he called for Britain to surrender to the Nazis).

We will never know, but here I think the weight of the evidence rests in McCartney's favor. Character is how you choose to behave when no one is looking, and I've heard too many stories about McCartney essentially being a decent guy, over too many years, in situations that would be of little direct benefit to him, that I take his side.

And haven't we moved past the idea that women are incapable of evil? If women are incapable of it, then what's the big achievement when they don't? They are incapable of it, right? No, they are first and foremost, people. People everywhere are faced with the temptations that evil can often deliver so much more efficiently than honorable behavior. And women earn honorable characters just like anyone else, the hard way, navigating through their darkness, and sometimes failing.

[Dr Fate]

135. All I know for sure is that Paul made some of the greatest records I've ever heard.

I hope it's true that Paul never did those things.

[IndianaGreen]

138. And all the "feminists" took Heather's side, just as they took the side of the Duke accuser

I put "feminists" in quotes because they are no more real feminists than Bush is compassionate.

[Oldtimeralso]

139. Actually I Heard that Heather Made Paul a Millionaire

He was a billionaire before they married.

[elleng]

146. The judge said

Mills "flagrantly overeggs the pudding" with demands for just under $1 million a year for travel expenses, including $370,000 for private planes and helicopters, plus annual payments of $250,000 for clothes and $78,000 for wine (even though she doesn't drink).'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/18/AR2008031803244.html?hpid=moreheadlines&sid=ST2008031900089

LOVE those Brit judges!