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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:35 PM
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The Milgram Experiment-depravity, peer pressure, and the power of authority
The Milgram Experiment
A lesson in depravity, peer pressure, and the power of authority

The aftermath of the Holocaust and the events leading up to World War II, the world was stunned with the happenings in Nazi German and their acquired surrounding territories that came out during the Eichmann Trials. Eichmann, a high ranking official of the Nazi Party, was on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The questions is, "Could it be that Eichmann, and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"

Stanley Milgram answered the call to this problem by performing a series of studies on the Obedience to Authority. Milgram's work began at Harvard where he was working towards his Ph.D. The experiments on which his initial research was based were done at Yale from 1961-1962.

In response to a newspaper ad offering $4.50 for one hour's work, an individual turns up to take part in a Psychology experiment investigating memory and learning. He is introduced to a stern looking experimenter in a white coat and a rather pleasant and friendly co-subject. The experimenter explains that the experiment will look into the role of punishment in learning, and that one will be the "teacher" and one will be the "learner." Lots are drawn to determine roles, and it is decided that the individual who answered the ad will become the "teacher."

Your co-subject is taken to a room where he is strapped in a chair to prevent movement and an electrode is placed on his arm. Next, the "teacher" is taken to an adjoining room which contains a generator. The "teacher" is instructed to read a list of two word pairs and ask the "learner" to read them back. If the "learner" gets the answer correct, then they move on to the next word. If the answer is incorrect, the "teacher" is supposed to shock the "learner" starting at 15 volts.

The generator has 30 switches in 15 volt increments, each is labeled with a voltage ranging from 15 up to 450 volts. Each switch also has a rating, ranging from "slight shock" to "danger: severe shock". The final two switches are labeled "XXX". The "teacher" automatically is supposed to increase the shock each time the "learner" misses a word in the list. Although the "teacher" thought that he/she was administering shocks to the "learner", the "learner" is actually a student or an actor who is never actually harmed. (The drawing of lots was rigged, so that the actor would always end up as the "learner.")

At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so.

milgram1.gif (6056 bytes)Today the field of psychology would deem this study highly unethical but, it revealed some extremely important findings. The theory that only the most severe monsters on the sadistic fringe of society would submit to such cruelty is disclaimed. Findings show that, "two-thirds of this studies participants fall into the category of ‘obedient' subjects, and that they represent ordinary people drawn from the working, managerial, and professional classes (Obedience to Authority)." Ultimately 65% of all of the "teachers" punished the "learners" to the maximum 450 volts. No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!

Milgram also conducted several follow-up experiments to determine what might change the likelihood of maximum shock delivery. In one condition, the touch-proximity condition, the teacher was required to hold the hand of the learner on a "shock plate" in order to give him shocks above 150 volts.

The most amazing thing to note from this follow-up experiment is that 32% of the subjects in the proximity-touch condition held the hand of the learner on the shock plate while administering shocks in excess of 400 volts! Further experiments showed that teachers were less obedient when the experimenter communicated with them via the telephone versus in person, and males were just as likely to be obedient as females, although females tended to be more nervous.

Milgram's obedience experiment was replicated by other researchers. The experiments spanned a 25-year period from 1961 to 1985 and have been repeated in Australia, South Africa and in several European countries. In one study conducted in Germany, over 85% of the subjects administered a lethal electric shock to the learner.

http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm

I posted this in full as this study is in the public domain as are the findings.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:40 PM
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1. Read "The Authoritarians"
Read "The Authoritarians", quoted by John Dean in Conservatives Without conscience.

Robert Altemeyer puts it all together with the right-wing authoritarians who have been controlling this country for the last few years. He uses Milgram's work as part of the data but much of his book is based on 20 years of reasearch of his own.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:01 PM
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2. Stephen M. Anderson made a film this past summer
that may or may not be released (in the time-honored tradition of indy flicks everywhere), called "The Root of All Evil."

Presumably, the plot has something to do with the Milgram experiments - I'm thinking probably in the way the characters interact.

It is supposed to be in post-production for release this fall. I'll believe it when I see it.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:35 PM
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3. opinion
I would call the whole Iraq War a Milgram experiment conducted by the White House. I would also call it the biggest "double blind" experiment in human history.

-90% Jimmy
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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4. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, The Straight Story.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:27 PM
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5. K&R because we should never forget this lesson.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 06:29 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Many of the participants in the experiment - "the teachers" - suffered psychological effects for life.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:30 PM
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6. The Milgram Obedience studies are still my most favorite studies to discuss in class


It still amazes colleges students that 65% of subjects (mostly average folks) would shock someone to death or unconsciousness.

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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:14 PM
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7. My teaching partner and I...
reproduced the experiment in our HS history classes. (Seniors in HS).

I threw together a box and wires, put a 12 volt battery in the box so sparks could be produced when they pressed the buttons during a demonstration.

We used "positive and negative conditioning to improve miserable grades on the last test (over WWII and the postwar period)" as our cover for the experiment.

My partner often played bad cop and I played good cop.

Our kid "actors" were very good... one could do a really neat "drop and small seizure".

ALL our kids obeyed... except 1. A black girl who simply didn't fit in with the white middle-class school. She said "You go to hell... I'm not gonna do it!" I love that kid.

We got lifelong learning. I've run into old farts who graduated in 1982, and they remember that day... and say they remember every time they're supposed to hurt someone.

The last time we did it was in 1992. We could never do it today - in this political climate. Besides, it's not covered on the standardized tests that the schools live and die by.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:04 PM
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8. Milgram wasn't in the same league as the professionals at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
Hell, in Madison he could have tried a reversed Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs theory in combination with Harry Harlow's pit of despair- on human subjects unwittingly under the influence of Ira Baldwin's experimental chemical weapons--it's easy to see where the torture network of the BFEE did a lot of its "research and development".

Hell, while Milgram was farting around at Harvard in the early 60's other UW-Madison academically connected black ops folks like Louis Jolyon West were making some real progress in depravity!

Where do you think Harvard's Tim Leary got all his EA 1729 and other good stuff from?

"Wisconsin and some black operations"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683#21699
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:16 PM
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9. Repulics and rw tactics are like this and hilter youth who ostracize
people - this is what they did to spitzer and other democrats - they went after them and got them - thankfully we were able to help kuncinch whom they were after - this is why so many continue to roll over - there children and grandchildren are affected by the hidden threats - they won't get into their college of choice or get the job they want or people who are eliminated from jobs because they are liberals - this is how it keeps building
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:27 PM
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10. Alex Gibney's "The Human Behavior Experiments" has a lot of Milgram's original video in it
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:28 PM by Bozita
sample clips are at the link:
http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500013451


The Human Behavior Experiments
2006 66 mins Color
Alex Gibney, Director

Documentarian Alex Gibney (ENRON: THE SMARTEST GUYS IN THE ROOM) revisits three famous behavioral studies to explore some perennial questions about why human beings commit unethical acts under particular social conditions. Reconsidered are Stanley Milgram’s obedience to authority experiments, in which subjects willingly inflicted pain on another person; Philip Zimbardo’s alarming prisoner and guard role-playing study; and Columbia University’s 1969 experiments which illuminated how being in a group can cause a diffusion of moral responsibility.

TAGS: Behavioral Study, Ethics, Morals, Documentary, English (en), Film, Social Pressure

Nudity, Violence, Adult Language, Adult Content
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:06 AM
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11. Alex gibney
His new flick "the last taxi" or something like that is about american torture in Iraq. IF this movie ever got into wide release, Bush and Cheney would become impeached in days!

-90% Jimmy
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:59 AM
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12. "Taxi to the Dark Side" won the best documentary Oscar last month.
Here's Robert Scheer interviewing Gibney. The trailer for "Taxi" is also there.


http://www.truthdig.com/interview/item/20080224_alex_gibney_in_conversation_with_robert_scheer/
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:45 PM
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13. This is WHY
we developed LAWS, REGULATIONS, CODES, INTERNATIONAL TREATIES, INTERNATIONAL COURTS to ensure that militaries and nations would not permit flawed human nature to prevail in such situations.

But we no longer abide by these protections.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:11 PM
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14. This falls under the general paradigm of humans as 'situational' actors.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:11 PM by riverdeep
That is, we're not inherently good or inherently bad, but that we are capable of both. And given the right situation, either one can emerge. So-called ordinary people can do acts of great depravity, or acts of great selflessness and courage. It depends on the system of incentives and of what is considered 'normal' behavior. As an aside, this is why I deplore reality television. It forces people into places where they act in the worst ways possible, all for our entertainment.

It's often disturbing to realize that we are capable of such things and vulnerable to influence. But I say it's better to recognize the obvious and make our incentive system reward good behavior than to pretend.

One of Milgrams high school classmates, Philip Zimbardo, went on to do a related experiment, the Prison Experiment. He arbitrarily made some students guards and some prisoners. The level of sadism in this mock experiment became so extreme so quickly, it had to be shut down.
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