Lynndie England Blames Media for Photos

[Kadie]

Lynndie England Blames Media for Photos
By MATT MOORE, Associated Press Writer

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

(03-18) 15:03 PDT BERLIN, Germany (AP) --


Lynndie England, the public face of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, told a German news magazine that she was sorry for appearing in photographs of detainees in the notorious Iraqi prison, and believes the scenes of torture and humiliation served as a powerful rallying point for anti-American insurgents.

In an interview with the weekly magazine Stern conducted in English and posted on its Web site Tuesday, England was both remorseful and unrepentant — and conceded that the published photos surely incensed insurgents in Iraq.

"I guess after the picture came out the insurgency picked up and Iraqis attacked the Americans and the British and they attacked in return and they were just killing each other. I felt bad about it ... no, I felt pissed off. If the media hadn't exposed the pictures to that extent, then thousands of lives would have been saved," she was quoted as saying.

Asked how she could blame the media for the controversy, she said it wasn't her who leaked the photos.

"Yeah, I took the photos but I didn't make it worldwide. Yes, I was in five or six pictures and I took some pictures, and those pictures were shameful and degrading to the Iraqis and to our government," she said, according to the report.

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[Solly Mack]

1. Rumsfeld blamed the cameras.....

England is an idiot.

[shain from kane]

2. Taking potshots at the media.

[halfright]

15. torture or frat party hazing

you be the judge

[uppityperson]

32. Torture, even if the US is the "greatest most forward thinking generous country in the world"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=107242&mesg_id=107285

I'd welcome you to DU but don't think I'll bother.

[halfright]

36. tsk tsk

get real darling

[halfright]

37. hmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_me

[uppityperson]

38. Wow! a non-existent page! You've convinced me!

As I said, search is instructive.

[Richard Steele]

39. "He's dead, Jim."

[uppityperson]

44. Merci

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. Yes, one of America's finest shining brightly....pathetic. does anyone take personal

respnsibility for their failings any more? Or is this just another validation of the Dubya way of weaseling out of everything (with apologies to real weasels!)

[mitchum]

4. Spoken like a true sociopath

[Uncle Joe]

5. The images only did what the actions were already doing.

The truth was already seeping out to the insurgents, the images only confirmed it. However the American People were more left in the dark, blindly going down the road to hell with no thought of course correction.

[anniebelle]

6. Outta sight, outta mind, heh? What a moron she is.

This whole Abu Ghraib should make every American question what our government is doing in our name against humanity.

[eissa]

7. She's repulsive

Does not grasp the indignity she took part in, is only upset that it was made public. Disgusting excuse for a human being.

[Elidor]

8. She's already out of jail

Amazing. Served half of a 36 month sentence. What a crock.

[kirby]

11. She produced an offspring too, right?

So those genes will be preserved...

[quadriga]

12. Isn't her offspring's father,

one of the guards in the other photos? Yaaaaaa!!! Lil' Hitler!

[Elidor]

13. We all have ancestors like that (myself included)

It's the upbringing that's crucial. But with those two parents, the kid is pretty well handicapped.

[lonestarnot]

18. Yeah, they breed.

:puke: Poor little baby.

[LaurenG]

9. She sounds like a sociopath

she did what she did but it's the media's fault. I'm guessing she is also a bush supporter. :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

10. So, it's OK to torture as long as it's done in private?

God, the logical disconnect is astounding.

I see what Bill Maher was talking about, that the army had "already picked the low-hanging Lynndie England fruit".

[Name removed]

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[TahitiNut]

24. ALL such treatment (humiliation to blatant torture) is outlawed by the same Geneva Convention

Violation of ANY part of it is a violation of all of it. Outlaw is outlaw.

Nitpicking apologetics for the inhumane treatment of other human beings is detestible and criminal.

[orleans]

27. and why are so defensive of mccain and the right wing??

lost?

[warren pease]

29. Finally, somebody gets it...

I mean, there's torture and then there's TORTURE. You know, when I put those kittens through the meat grinder, I felt like I was doing them a favor. Same when I stuck that steak knife in my buddy's shoulder and kept twisting it until he passed out. I mean, he was having trouble sleeping anyway, so...

This isn't torture either, of course:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/15/abughraib1_wideweb__470x306,0.jpg

Nor is this:



Or this:



Or this:



Or even this:



But this might have been:



Oh, who cares... he's not around to tell the tale anyway.


Now take your 14 lousy fucking posts and get the fuck out of here, you goddamned sadist apologist bastard.


Sincerely,

wp

[uppityperson]

33. Thanks for posting that so I don't have to.

Search is instructive.

[Richard Steele]

41. Nicely stated, Warren. nm

[Name removed]

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[rockymountaindem]

48. How'd you get in here? n/t

[uppityperson]

49. got elsewhere too. No sublety. Sad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=107242&mesg_id=107398

[rockymountaindem]

50. I get the feeling he's about the banned in more places than just Boston

starting with DU.

[Canuckistanian]

31. The Geneva Convention makes no such distinctions

And if YOU were there, you'd be calling it torture.

Do you think that the pictures told the WHOLE story??

[rocktivity]

35. Torture doesn't have to hurt physically

Like circumstantial evidence, enough of it can have the same effect.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Bjorn Against]

40. Yeah, McCain will tell you what torture is right before he votes to allow it

[Ilsa]

43. Would it be torture if someone threatened to sodomize your kids in front of you?

Afterall, they didn't TOUCH you...

[Echo In Light]

16. Remember how a week after the photos were aired, that beheading video "suddenly" showed up?

How conveniently well timed for the propaganda effort.

[madeline_con]

19. Yeah, and all the guys stood at ease like well trained

American Spec Ops guys do, complete with well fed look,not a ragtag bunch of "insurgents" whatever that is.

[Echo In Light]

20. Yeah, the list of peculiarities was substantial,,,but that's another thread

[madeline_con]

17. Fuck her. May she burn in hell. n/t

[JuniperLea]

21. What an idiot!

No, you dumbass! It was WHAT YOU WERE DOING that "pissed off" the Iraqis... and the Americans... and the rest of the world. The pictures weren't necessary... we would have been equally pissed had we merely been told in words of the heinous activity you so disgustingly smiled through.

Your Karma bank is bankrupt... you will get what you deserve.

[uppityperson]

22. Didn't it come out that she is (oh damn, what's pc now?) intellectually slow?

I have a recollection reading about her that she is not the brightest lightbulb in the box (still not pc term, darn my brain).

[JuniperLea]

23. I remember that...

And how disgusted I was that the US armed forces would put someone like that in harms way. What a freaking mess.

[uppityperson]

26. OK, wasn't just my memory bits. How could they put someone like that there.

How could they have accepted Steven Green also, and then kicked him out to civilian population? The recruiting system is just wrong.

[JuniperLea]

30. During Viet Nam, they put a lot of black guys on the front lines...

I guess mentally challenged people are the new black guys... ugh... I'm just sick thinking about this. They don't care about anything but putting targets out there.

[varkam]

25. It sounds like Ms. England completely missed the point.

You see, the insurgents were not upset about the pictures of torture. They were upset about the torture. I understand that England doesn't share all of the blame for what happened, but it's pretty gutsy of her to blame the media for the fallout surrounding her own actions.

[AlCzervik]

28. oh sure Lynndie thats exactly why insurgents killed troops. did she bother to mention

that many of those prisoners were dumped in Fallujah and those same prisoners told people what happened to them?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/

[rocktivity]

34. If there HADN'T been any pics of torture for you to friggin' POSE for

there wouldn't have BEEN anything for the media TO exploit!!!

Unless, of course, dearie, you were just following orders...

x(
rocknation

[anellis]

42. Sick and disgusting

Like many people who refuse to accept responsibility for their own shortcomings.

[Ilsa]

45. Facts boiled down, Lynndie: You helped get your fellow soldiers killed. nt

[tuckessee]

46. And to think, Lynndie joined the service before the much loosened standards. n/t

[bumblebee1]

51. Lynndie blaming the media for the photos?

It sounds alot like the hooker being blamed for Elliott Spitzer resigning as NY governor.