WINNING

[LSK]

WHAT THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WIN? WHAT DOES A WIN LOOK LIKE? DO WE NOT OCCUPY THE WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY? DID WE NOT OVERTHROW SADDAM? WHAT THE FUCK ELSE IS THERE TO WIN???

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:nuke: :nuke:

[magellan]

1. Control of the oil. n/t

[snappyturtle]

3. Oh yes! That's it. Maybe Cheney was twisting some arms on his

little visit! "Give us the oil and we'll leave....well, most of us"! Wouldn't that be a coup for bush? Get the oil and start re-deploying before the end of his adminstration....then history would view him favorably. That's the ticket! :sarcasm:

[magellan]

6. I don't think we'll ever leave

...as long as the criminals and their minions have power. But that wasn't the question. The question was "WHAT THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WIN?"

Control of the oil is what BushCo and their business partners would consider a "win".

[snappyturtle]

12. I agree with your definition of "win". But can they ever verbalize that?

I can't figure out how they would spin it after profusely denying that was ever an objective.

[magellan]

13. I don't think they need to

They denied it, then Greenspan let this slip in his memoir late last year: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

There was little outrage, and would be even less now if Bush** actually came out and said it, because Americans are being crushed by gas prices. And sad to say I have the feeling people rationalize it that way: "We need the oil."

I'm also all but 100% certain the mad printing of currency and the hiding of M3 was, at least in part, to hike oil prices so Americans would be grateful for Bush**'s "genius" in invading Iraq to secure its oil.

Lots of people think BushCo are stupid and incompetent. Not me. I think they're clever bastards who should never be underestimated.

[snappyturtle]

14. Thank you kindly for your knowledgeable response. n/t

[snappyturtle]

2. There's no end game that's the problem. We'll never know if we are

or have won. I think that's the plan as maddening as it is. We lost the minute we went in...imho.

[Done]

4. Total submission.

We get the oil, or should I say the oil companies get the oil.

We may need to subdue a few other countries since our presence will provoke violence.

This may sound somewhat unpleasant to you, but you must remember that the oil companies have a lot of money invested in refineries and super tankers.

You may say that the cost is too high, but what cost have the oil companies paid? What cost will they pay in the future? There is no cost, there has been no cost, to our corporate overlords, only higher prices, and greater profits.

[StClone]

5. Iraq Oil is going somewhere!

And acting as if it isn't is allowing the rip-off of cool trillions of $$$!

[I work for workers]

7. A stable and democratic Iraq?

GW mentions it every time he talks about the war. I'm always surprised by how many people act like they haven't seen a Bush speech in the past five years.

[ThatsMyBarack]

8. I've never seen a * speech.

I avoid them like the Black Plague!

[LSK]

9. they had elections? check! the surge is working? check!

Lets go home now.

[Bigmack]

10. Winning their hearts and minds, of course....

If we kill enough of them... especially civilians.... we'll have won their hearts!

In the words of LBJ "If you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

Hey... it worked in Vietnam, and it will work in Iraq. (Deep, dark, :sarcasm: intended)

[onethatcares]

11. winning,

the propping up of a puppet government that does whatever the neocons tell it to do. Kinda similar to Noriega in Panama.

[uppityperson]

15. Closing Saddam's rape and torture rooms and opening our own=winning.

[Indenturedebtor]

16. Here you go!

(n) banana republic (a small country (especially in Central America) that is politically unstable and whose economy is dominated by foreign companies and depends on one export (such as bananas))

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=banana%20republic