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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:13 AM
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Did I just feel a tectonic shift?
(Mods, this is not intended as a primary thread. It is about the Democrats vs The Repubicans. That said, if you feel you must move it to that other place, go ahead.)

Has anyone else sensed a shift in tone and tenor of late? Up until a week or three ago, the media was pretty much of a like mind saying the Dems would win walking away in November. Then we got a pastor story and years old white house schedule records.

The Republican makes a gaffe (kindly called a misspeak by the kindly media) that would sink a Dem and nobody notices. Polls are reported. Dems are trailing. Each candidate is being discussed now in terms of how they are in trouble. Little seeds are being sewn by the screech monkeys. None will grow to decorative plants ..... maybe poison ivy .... but nothing that we'll like.

Bet on it. The Quadrennial Killing Of The Democratic Candidate has begun in earnest .... even before we know who it is.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:18 AM
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1. Sadly you are right! nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:19 AM
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2. Yes--I thought something was amiss when, the day after the Iowa primaires...
...I listened to NPR and did not once hear the name "John Edwards." And he came in second! :grr:

It was "Obama/Hillary" the whole morning...
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:04 AM
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26. Yes, he came in second, but there was a deliberate effort
to keep his name out of the media.

I was screeching about this all over the place, but no one seemed to notice how blatantly that was done. A Dem acquaintance of mine even fell for it. When I reminded him that Edwards came in second in Iowa, his response was, "But it was a weak second."

I almost choked! :banghead:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:35 PM
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46. Yep, this all started with Edwards and it barely hit the radar here on DU.
Nobody cared because they were too busy being brainwashed by the corporate media whores who were telling them what was what and that it was a race between Hillary and Obama

Which was TOTAL BULLSHIT!

I've been sickened ever since because what happened to Edwards means it's a done deal-McCain will be Prez.

What the people want and who they vote for means absolutely nothing.

They are not going to let Obama or Hillary win-period.

Forgetaboutit.

They will steal 08. :grr:

p.s. Watch who McCains running mate is. That person will probably end up as Prez.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:12 PM
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49. In politics, nothing happens by accident. Make it an "historic" GE and then
make it close enough too steal and then use the excuse that America wasn't ready for an "historic" President. Yep, it was all by design.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:07 AM
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70. Exactly! Even calling it an "historic race" is a joke. It's all about fighting & dissing & b.s.
:puke:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:19 AM
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3. Yeah, it is kind of like "Groundhog Day". Every 4 years this
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 09:20 AM by Dhalgren
same scenario begins to play-out. It might be just a little different this year and last year was a little different than the one before, but it repeats in a general way and we can see it coming, but no one seems to be able to stop it. And it is doubtful that either Obama's divine powers nor Clinton's trench warfare can stop the thievery...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:20 AM
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4. I've been expecting this
the "Dems will walk away with this" meme has been spread only so that the GOP can look like underdogs.

The key for us, I think, is to hit home about McCain wanting to remain at war. We can argue that we cannot continue to have this war drain our military and our treasury, and most people will agree with this. We must make sure that this remains the top thing on everyone's minds, which we can easily do by tying the war to the money drain and disaster in our economy.

The GOP will use the MSM to magnify any gaffes made by our side, and minimize theirs. They will continue to lie about our main candidates, trying to present distractions. We must make sure our priorities are made clear to the average American.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:22 AM
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5. The media is the tail, wagging the dog.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:24 AM
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6. I saw several bobblers on MSNBC this morning looking at
"some of the latest polls" to see if Obama has been able to stop his preacher problems with his speech on race.. All three said that it looked like it hadn't done enough
(to keep them from repeating the preacher tape, apparently)

Then they started to dissect the "document dump" that Hillary provided about her White House years.
(Funny. . they never called it a document dump when it from the admin & involving National Security)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:26 AM
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7. Spectator democracy = have to keep em watching the "game."
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:30 AM
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8. Time to update and repost this..
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-07-04 04:19 PM

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The "New" Assassins!


Poor Jack Kennedy, Poor Martin Luther King, Poor James Meredith, Poor Malcolm X, Poor Bobby Kennedy...and so many others who were "under the radar", and we never even knew ..

People who dare to speak out are always in fear for their lives, and those named paid the ultimate price for their "free speech".

Had they lived now, in a more "evolved" time, they might have never had to die for their audacity. People who made waves back then were just "dealt with" in the crudest, but most effective way of the day......elimination.. Everyday people were stunned, shocked, saddened, outraged, and then they moved on. Daily life has a way of taking over, and except for a poignant "anniversary" acknowledgment, or the recurring "conspiracy talk", these people just passed into history as tragic figures.

Those assassinations did serve a purpose though. The message sent was loud and clear. Say the Wrong thing, and you are DONE.

In the "modern" world, although there are still assassination attempts here and there, the "serious" ones are not as common . A more efficient way of handling "rogue elements" is the new and improved way...Assassination by Media is the more accepted way now. If one looks back to the period following the Bobby Kennedy assassination, you can see it taking root. Bobby's slaying might have been the straw that broke the camel's back, in that people were ready to say..ENOUGH!!. People took to the streets and things got too "messy" for the old ways to ever work again.

Flash forward to the Watergate era. At first the story dribbled out and people did not pay a lot of attention, but the Washington Post knew they had a story and they kept at it like a junkyard dog. They challenged BIG GOVERNMENT, and they never quit. When the story finally got the attention of the general public, and Nixon was taken down, the press was bolder than ever before.

This was the era of the "white paper".... 60 Minutes was the very embodiment of "make them accountable".. They went after sleazy business practices and governmental screw-ups, and they hit hard.The show they do today is more "individual driven", and is pure tabloid journalism when compared to the way they started. The targets of their "investigation" are often beleaguered people who are already overextended financially by lawsuits or other problems, so they are probably less likely to sue, or they are the pathetic , sympathy-inducing people who have been "done wrong".

Behind the scenes though, there was a group of people who were seething with anger over what had just happened, and they were determined to get things "under control again". This was the beginning of media consolidation. Towns that had once had 2 or 3 competing newspapers, now had only one, television was still the "big three", Republican Think Tanks were sprouting up like toadstools after rain.

Jimmy Carter's tenure was the "test case" for what would come later. This gentle man was attacked in the press for every little thing. The Nixon hangover may have been partly to blame, since people were genuinely more interested in what went on "behind the curtain", but the things that Carter was berated about were just plain silly..Who remembers the "lusting in his heart" episode...or the "attack of the killer bunny".. or the "he wears sweaters in the oval office".."turn down your thermostats"...or "Amy is so ugly".. Those were the memes of the day.. The press chose to amplify these things to make this man appear to be a lightweight. The real problems he encounters as president were things not of his making, and It think he did try to solve them, but with only one term, and the difficulties of the first "oil crisis", and the "hostage thing", he was doomed..

Nightline was born out of the frustration of the hostage crisis. That show started as a one hour news program with a daily update on the hostages.

A rootin-tootin Dubya would have just saddled up (other people's kids) and attacked Iran, and if the hostages were killed, it would have been "collateral damage", but Carter thought he could negotiate them home. This was our first real experience with the "new middle east". They were radical.. They were mad.. They were Bad.The old ways would never work again. Oddly enough, we now know that some of the very same people we associate with the Reagan/Bush , Bush # 1, and Bush # 2 regimes were involved , behind-the scenes , in the Iran Hostage issue.. At the time, I do not recall hearing their names mentioned when Nightline went on night after night, enumerating the "days since....".

The press attacked Carter relentlessly, and I do not recall much rallying on his behalf from anyone, and the hostage crisis did him in. It was not accidental that the hostages were released at the exact moment of Reagan's swearing in. Bush 1 had CIA connections, and the Bush loyalists (the same ones we have now) choreographed the incident masterfully, and the press ate it up. People love a winner, and Reagan came in as a winner. It was also no accident that doing away with the fairness doctrine was high on the list of "things to do".

The republicans were riding high, awash with money, and the public gaze was averted. Inflation was rampant,unemployment was high,there had been wage & price freezes and gas shortages... All in all, people were willing to "be taken care of", and they trusted the grandfatherly guy they had seen in the movies. It was not long before the doctrine was gone, and without that, it was easy for very rich ideologues to start buying up media , and they did it with a vengeance.

Looking back, it's not hard to see how effective it was. The things that have been attributed to Reagan/Bush 1 would have never been tolerated by a Democratic administration.The Clinton years showed us that , in spades.

The switchover was seamless too. Local radio stations had mostly been music, with local hosts who did silly home town pranks, held local contests for their listeners, and had news on the hour. Somewhere during this time frame, "talk/opinion" formats started really emerging, and more and more stations gave up their music formats altogether.

What better way is there to ensure that a particular opinion saturates the public, than to have local radio stations all under the same corporate ownership?. If station ABCD in Omaha is owned by the same parent company as most of the others in the area, the "movement" between stations will not happen. In the past, a radio host could get into a jam with his bosses, and the next week, he was on a competing station in a nearby town, taking a lot of his listeners with him, but when the same people own all the stations, and a host goes against the wishes of his bosses, there is NOWHERE for him to go. The atmosphere of "go-along-to-get-along" stifles any real discussion of opposing ideas.

When the major source of information of a population only airs ONE viewpoint, it's easy to demonize the opposition. The "media people" had , and still have, easy access to their own "facts" that are regularly churned out by the think tanks, they have access to all the "professional speakers/pundits" that they could ever use (also cheerfully provided by the think tanks). These same people are often editorial columnists for the papers , who just happen to be owned by the same people who own/operate the radio & TV stations.. .

There was a time when, once an election was over, people just licked their wounds, accepted that they had lost and then vowed to try again. The "new assassins" in the media cannot ever allow the "quiet time" between elections, because the fires must always be stoked. The potential adversaries must be ridiculed,belittled,scorned, accused and abused, well in advance of the next election so that the "right" people win. The unusual aspect of this , is that since the Fairness Doctrine went by the wayside, it's usually the Democratic candidates who are put through the grinder, while republican candidates with more "baggage" are treated with kid gloves. Any misgivings about a republican candidate can be explained away as a "youthful indiscretion", or a "cute colloquialism" ,or a "miscalculation", or "getting inaccurate advice", and so many more.

A candidate who has all the qualities necessary for office, is attacked mercilessly from the moment they announce they are running for office. The 24/7 media of today is expert at the art of "linguistic assassination", and they have the time to do the job well.

Election 2000 is a prime example of assassination by media. Al Gore was a vice president. He did not wield the power that our current vice president does. He had impeccable credentials, was eloquent, had a squeaky clean family life, and lived modestly considering his position. He was actually considered dull. He never presented himself as a "life-of-the-party" guy.He was the studious guy, who read bills before he voted. He was the guy who did research. He was the guy who actually went to Viet Nam , even though he was not a Green Beret with a bayonet between his teeth, singlehandedly wiping out a division of Viet Cong.The fact is ..He went.

They hammered at him about his wardrobe. Every little gaffe, was portrayed as a LIE. His opponent was secretive, smart-assed, sullen, and unknowledgeable, yet HE was portrayed as "a bit rough", "a nice guy that you would like to have a beer with", " a friendly "people-person", and too many others to list. By implication, HE was the guy with the white hat, the Good Guy, and poor old Gore was the liar with the bad fashion sense, who was dull. The daily indictment and litany of his "sins" was impossible to ignore, and every interview started and finished with him trying to refute the smears aimed at him, and him alone.

The assassins have taken aim this election season, and again they have taken aim and have wounded, if not killed, a few of the possible candidates. The media has moved from a position of watching what happens, and then reporting on it, to MAKING it happen, and then tweaking it to make an ever-better "story"..

The little known governor from a small state ..hmm that sounds familiar... is such a good story. Howard Dean was this cycle's John McCain. The press loved him.....until they had built him up to almost rock-star status, and then the only thing for them to do to get more ratings, was to "kill" him. And so they did.. They report with childlike wonder at why "he's not doing better in the polls", and then they laugh and giggle and "cue up the tape".. Then they put on their scrunched up worried face and wonder if the campaign is broke.. They are "so concerned".. They cluck-cluck to each other about how disappointing it is to see him not doing well, and yet they have already reloaded for the next victim.

Now on to the next willing contestant, John "Botox" Kerry.




By the time the election actually occurs, the candidate has been hopelessly smeared, and politically assassinated.. It not only can remove a candidate from the prospect of elected office, but it effectively silences them as well.

Assassination by media is so much more effective, since the whole "martyr thing" is eliminated and it's not nearly as "untidy" as the old way..
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 AM
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31. great post. thanks.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:21 PM
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60. Thank you, and *bookmarking*. nt
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:19 AM
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67. Wow! You just hit a dozen grand slams with that post!
I'm going to print and frame it!

:woohoo: :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

:loveya:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:32 AM
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9. that the way the press works now that they are owned by them for the most part
they never let Dennis even get to the start line, shucked Edwards early on. I watch ko and thats as close as I get to the m$m. Fixing to turn his ass off too as I'm about had it on the hil hating etc. First Kucinich then Edwards and now I'm voting for Obama and my choosing him was not the result of someone trashing someone else, its because I find him to give me hope that hillary doesn't.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:34 AM
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10. cheney in ME thumbing his nose at the vast majority of the American people
I still worry that there won't be America as we knew it very soon.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:36 AM
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11. Has already occurred ... or more became aware of how it's rigged/thinly disguised
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:52 AM
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21. yeah, I agree, but sayin it wouldn't surprise me if there are no elections
this fall, if ya get my drift.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:57 AM
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22. It would be stupid for them to ditch the charade just yet
There will be "elections". Must have the dog and pony show so people don't get riled. Riled people can do unpredictable things.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:02 AM
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24. Hence KRB's recent high $ detainment camp contracts
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:27 AM
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41. Former MT gov Racicot had prisons built here and we didn't need them
He went on to chair RNC, bush/cheney 04 and now does profitable lobbying.

There currently is a local issue re a private prison built which sit empty. The people involved are annoyed that nobody is renting cell space. State Prison officals don't need the cells and are under no obligation to pay for anything related to this prison they had nothing to do with building. They did not ask for it, encourage it, need it, but it got built anyway

Oh, and we have received LOTS of Fed $$ for some really nice road work on roads that are not much used.

Things that make ya go hmmmm
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:36 PM
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58. Indeed
:think:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:56 AM
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38. One would thnk, but, it may be determined by how soon before economy REALLY tanks
Things will go bad fast at a certain slip point for the economy.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:01 AM
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23. It's a legitimate concern, waiting for that other shoe to drop, so to speak
"Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will" ~ Antonio Gramsci
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:02 AM
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25. I've had that fear, but I don't think they'll do it..
It's too risky because they don't have the forces to stop us if they try.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:31 AM
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42. Blackwater. They have already made it OK for private corp. security to shoot people
NOLA

Lots of private security firms that weren't around a few years ago.

I firmly believe part of the reason for Iraq invasion/occupation and the use of so much of the National Guard is that they learned from watching the fall of the USSR that most soldiers are hesitant to shoot into crowds of their mothers and grandmothers. By deploying the majority of real forces, they have lessened that risk, haven't they?

We don't have a nation. We have corporations who pretend we have a nation. How long before they stop pretending?
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:38 AM
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12. Yup.

:grr:
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:40 AM
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13. The shift you see is them preparing us so that they can steal
another election. If it is possible, it will happen. We have done nothing to fix the past problems. Republicans can't afford to loose. Legal problems could put many in jail.

Don't forget the Republican party offical that stole money from the party, that story didn't make the nightly news. They own the press.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:42 AM
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15. and if a dem wins, ALL the reagan & Bush1 papers see the light of day
THAT'S a biggie to them..
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:45 AM
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17. Don't count on it
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:43 AM
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16. Begin planting the seeds early on, so when the fix is in, it appears more credible
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:47 AM
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18. they are cueing up the phrases already
oooh..soooo close

a nailbiter

neck and neck

photo finish

too close to call

a dead heat

sudden death overtime

(gotta work in all the sports words)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:49 AM
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19. I don't bother with MSM, but have no doubt you're spot on with that
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Sean Stuart Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:41 AM
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14. Bush's poll numbers has not changed who owns and runs the media
They serve the same people despite the failures of the Bush administration, and will do their part to facilitate the election of the party most sympathetic to their profit margin.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:50 AM
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20. If you take into consideration that the Republicans have been clever
enough to target the areas where the Dems are the strongest, and turn it into a weakness, primarily because the Dems are so spineless when it comes to taking a position What that should tell you is, that they see Wright as a potential strength for the Dems, if the Dems are smart enough to see it. Go on the offensive, not defensive. Wright's speech is what the Republicans have sowed. Turn it around and start collecting all the hate talk that they've been spewing over the airways and reach the obvious conclusion. Wright is Right to be angry.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:04 AM
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27. I agree
The media sees McCain as a weak opponent. If he does terrible then there's no easy story through Aug-Nov. So clearly they plan to carry his water (yet again).
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:07 AM
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28. Yes I definitely noticed the "shift" too. K&R n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:11 AM
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29. The Dem primary fight is helping St. McCain to escape scrutiny for now...
...and is doing at least short-term damage to the eventual Dem nominee.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:32 AM
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32. How is the media going to spin McCain when he throws a tirade at the debates?
The dude is going to lose it, guaranteed. That's why I don't believe the national polls right now, they're not based on anything concrete. By November McCain will be lucky to get 30% of the vote.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:19 AM
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30. until people understand that the corporate media are nothing more
than paid assassins and that the 2 party charade is nothing more than the Truman Show, we will be stuck in this quagmire of devolution.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:33 AM
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33. i don't pay attention to msm
so i don't notice it. but if you say it is so i believe it. consider that the past two presidential elections were won by democrats who have never yet been president.

your post makes me want to cry. that machine is so fucking big and it seems that the people don't want to wake up to the truth.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 AM
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34. Yes, and yet we hear nothing about Hagee or the fact that McCain
doesn't even know who we are fighting.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:45 AM
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35. I should add, that is one reason that we need to stop fighting each other
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:47 AM by MiniMe
and start fighting the republicans. McCain is getting way too much frontrunner time while our guys are duking it out. And some are saying that if their candidate doesn't win the nomination, they won't vote for the other candidate. Its unfortunate, but those are the things that will help the repukes steal it.




edited because apparently I don't know the difference between start and stop.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:54 AM
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36. We know who it is.
And they have a date with the Hague.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:56 AM
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37. Not exactly. For over a year it was a conventional wisdom that the voters want a Democrat
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:57 AM by question everything
in the White House. Yet, when presented with specific names, not just the remaining two, that support dropped.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:04 AM
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39. I feel it too...nt
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:05 AM
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40. I don't watch much cable news, but generally they all seem to glom onto
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 11:07 AM by smoogatz
the prevailing narrative of the day, or week. It does appear that the Wright story has done real damage to Obama, at least in the short term ("that's not helping," as Jon Stewart said). Of course that's entirely unfair to Obama—he can't control everything the people in his social orbit say, and there's obviously a clear double standard at work—but what people hear is a black preacher saying "God damn America," which basically equates, to a significant minority, with "kill whitey." Obama's speech was brilliant, I thought, but no matter how well reasoned, thoughtful, eloquent and informative, it's never going to undo "kill whitey" for whites who feel they're "taking a chance" by voting for a black man. Hillary's got her own problems to deal with, not least among them the pretense that being first lady somehow equals presidential experience. We all kind of knew it didn't, and now the paper trail confirms it. I have every confidence, though, in McCain's ability to fuck up and fuck up again before November. I think his lobbyist connections may yet prove his undoing, as will his consistent, repeated support for a permanent U.S. presence in Iraq, and his calls for war with Iran. He's also pretty much out of cash and may be locked into public financing, which would cripple him, AND he's still hated by the religious right. So, a tough couple of weeks for Democrats, but we're a long way from November. But yes, Democrats have historically, except for a few brief interludes, had to run against the media and the Republicans at the same time. The more profit-driven and consolidated the media become, the more right-wing their bias will be; younger Americans are figuring this out, mostly, but the rest of the country still doesn't get it, or understand why it's a problem.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:47 AM
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43. All the drama is on the Democratic side
and it's being portrayed in the media as a battle of negatives. McCain is a third wheel in the current spectacle, so anything he says or does goes largely unchecked.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:51 AM
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44. media is in bed with the thugs.....been saying this for years, when you lose freedom of the press
as we have, we're screwn...think about iraq. ALL NEWS ABOUT IRAQ is vetted by the pentagon....ALL NEWS...so regardless of what we hear, it is the pentagons spin of the war.....
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:56 AM
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45. I've said from the beginning, the reason they've pushed Clinton and Obama on us
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 11:56 AM by notadmblnd
is because that's who the rebukes think they can beat.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:43 PM
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47. I felt it too, and it scares me
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:07 PM
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48. I'm pretty sure that they wanted the weakest possible dem candidates that they could get.
Persons with easy "talking points". For exactly what they've started doing.

That swift-boating stuff sure works well.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:26 PM
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50. I blame the campaign tactics of division and negativity for this.
The media can run whatever they want, but giving them ammo against the Democrats was what caused this. I don't like the whole " kitchen sink" type of politics, its what has been destroying our country all along. Throw as much negative shit at the wall, true or not, some sticks because the media repeats it over and over and many Americans eat it up. Now they are taking the positive comments that some democrats have been saying about McCain and they are pumping up McCain as this great guy, even some powerful democrats are out talking positive about him in their campaigns as they simultaneously talk negatively about their democratic opposition?

You have to ask why these democrats would do this? Are they for the people or are they just following the elites agenda?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:45 PM
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51. Why hasn't some committee of Dem powerplayers gone to both Obama & Clinton and told them to stop....
...ripping each other up? And by this I mean, why haven't they told The Clintons in particular to cut it out?

By this time both our Democratic candidates should be running against McCain as hard and tough as they can -- instead of doing the Republicans' dirty work for them. This is the part that just drives me nuts.

It also drives me nuts that people here continue to rip Democratic candidates they don't agree with to shreds --likewise doing the Republican smear-machine's dirty work for them.

The McCain campaign should be sending you all flowers, he's getting such a free ride off this.

Hekate
:argh:

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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:42 PM
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52. I disagree. It's not a gaffe. It is an outright LIE.
Mistaking it once or twice is a gaffe, but 4 times is a lie, especially when you send out the "gaffe" in a campaign release the day after Joe had to put McLame in his place. Come on media, I could care less if you rip the candidates to pieces. But is must happen to ALL candidates. There is no such thing as picking and choosing in responsible journalism. Then again, that sorta went out the window years again...
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:43 PM
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53. Recommend you tune them out. They exist to weaken the left.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:07 PM
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54. Probably because they see us
as 'divided and conquered.'
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:14 PM
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55. McSame will be the next "President"
put it in the bank.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:18 PM
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56. election over seven months away!!!! wait till bu$h* & chenee continue thier bully policies overseas
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 05:19 PM by spanone
we're gonna see some serious shit imho
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:22 PM
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57. You are not alone and students of the "american process"
know that we no longer elect our presidents. Oh we go through the motions, but they are elected for us, by the media

What you are seeing is the simulacrum of an election, and "our people" go along since none would dare question the way things are.

Oh and don't even try to bring this up in that other place. They are too busy doing the job for Republicans, or at least some of it

I wonder, who will they blame this year? Oh yes, Nader is a'running
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:37 PM
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59. Yes they can't chance waiting until
we have an nominee as they originally planned. That might not allow enough time to really kill his or her chances completely.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:26 PM
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61. Yes, it seems to have begun
Most of the nation no longer sees the news, only the propaganda. And that powerful engine is now being turned against the Democrats.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:28 PM
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62. No surprise here. n/t
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cjb65 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:32 PM
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63. The killing began with Kucinich
Then they ran Edwards off the road. Now it's Barack.

But do you really think they'll succeed this time? Aren't Americans fed up enough that the Republicans and their tactics just won't gain any traction now?
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:57 PM
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64. Too soon to tell
You are right to be wary, but consider the drubbing the Republicans took for Hastert's old seat.

Look, the GOP has a certain advantage here; they are running an old, establishment, white guy war hero. We, OTOH, are choosing between a woman who is one of the mosst divisive political figures in recent US history, or the first serious Black presidential contender, ever. America, ever self-contradictory, wants a change from the self-destructive, Iraq war path, but also wants to stay in a comfort zone. I think this explains McCain's current appeal in the polls

.. but the righties aren't Hell-fired up about McCain. Evangelicals don't love him the way they loved George W. The Neocon crowd see him as a traitor over McCain-Feingold and his stand against waterboarding.

.. also, IIRC, polls had Kerry over Bush this time 4 years ago.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:18 AM
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65. Remember the immortal phrase, it's the economy stupid?
At the rate it's going now, gas will be well over $4 a gallon by Nov.
Grocery bills will have grown exponentially.

Millions more homes will be in foreclosure. Thousands more jobs will be lost.

IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID!

Some bumper stickers are timeless.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:07 AM
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66. The worst part about this
Is that "Democrat" sites like Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson are doing their best to Swift Boat Obama based on debunked "facts". I hold them responsible because they appear on CNN and MSNBC, therefore they have the ability to create "change".
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:58 AM
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68. They've officially received their marching orders from the Corporatocracy. n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:22 AM
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72. Remain "on script," or else. Too bad they're too obedient and cowardly to choose "or else"
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:00 AM
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69. after reading the heading i was going to ask if you'd been drinking
now that i've read your op my answer is simply:
who knows?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:18 AM
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71. There is no shift
The hacks are out in their numbers setting the stage with an angle they hope to use if they're able to steal the election. They know the majority of America is finished with the Republican Party and Bushco.

NOT THIS TIME.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:29 AM
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73. Exactly, and the only way they can steal it is if the count is close.
Not this time.
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