These guys were "low level employees", too.

[Stinky The Clown]

[WritingIsMyReligion]

1. Read my mind. (nt)

[Berry Cool]

2. Nothing but a bunch of lowly plumbers, right? n/m

[Lint Head]

3. So were the death camp guards at Dachau.

:dem:

[cynatnite]

11. How do you compare death camp guards to some guys looking at a passport?

I really want to know. No matter what their motivations were, whether it was political or curiosity, don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to make such comparisons?

[Zorra]

12. Given the same circumstances, they'd probably do the same thing.

Fascists generally obey their authoritarian masters, no matter how immoral or unethical the deeds ordered by the superior.

[cynatnite]

13. What a load of crap...

:rofl:

For all you know these guys were curious or they were paid. Doesn't automatically mean they're fascists or even in the same ballpark as Nazis who slaughtered Jews.

Just plain sounds silly.

[Zorra]

15. Ah -- being paid makes it all ok. Thanks for the validation.

Maybe the criminals involved in the Watergate break-in were paid also - oh yeah, they turned out to be fascists, I forgot.

[cynatnite]

16. That does NOT make them comparable to concentration camp guards...

You have no evidence they are fascists. You're making a claim with no proof.

Making comparisons don't make it so.

[Zorra]

17. Here's a quote from someone I consider to have been a very wise person:

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

-Franklin D. Roosevelt

[cynatnite]

18. What does that have to do with your accusations?

Until there is clear evidence that directly points to their motivations there is no way to say whether they were paid by the repukes, just curious or that they hated Obama so badly they were looking for dirt on the man. There are any number of reasons why they did what they did, but I highly doubt fascism played much of a role. I'm more inclined to believe that these men were induced by someone with Rovian-like ambitions on the repuke side to look into Obama in order to dig up dirt.

I can say that because it's my opinion and I'm not going to assert it as fact unless there is evidence to support it.

Nice quote, BTW.

[Zorra]

19. But we live in Bu*hworld now - where will you get your evidence from?

Fox News?

"I'm more inclined to believe that these men were induced by someone with Rovian-like ambitions on the repuke side to look into Obama in order to dig up dirt."

OK, agreed. Maybe they aren't Rovian fascist zealots - but I bet they are.

Maybe our definition of fascist differs; I consider most republicans fascists.
;)

[cynatnite]

20. I don't think our definition is that much different...

I think we have different ideas on who deserves the label. I don't consider any repuke fascist and that's mainly because I don't think they have a clue what one is anyway. If they did, they'd back away pretty fast. IMO, most repukes would have a tendency to follow fascist-like propaganda that coincides with their narrow-minded views, but they wouldn't know what it is or even what it would mean until it's far too late.

Check out John Dean's book 'Conservatives without Conscience'. Very enlightening. :)

[Zorra]

21. OK. But most guards at Dachau probably had no idea what a fascist is, either.

“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a
simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country.”
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
Trials after World War II.

Thanks. I've been meaning to check out John Dean's book, "Conservatives Without Conscience"

May have the time soon. (Interesting discourse, amigo - I really wasn't being deliberately obtuse; there was a method to my madness)
;-):hi:;-)

[cynatnite]

24. That book was fabulous...

His best, IMO, and I love all his stuff.

:hi: No prob.

[elizfeelinggreat]

4. our conversation as we watched the news

good to update the younger voters on how it's all been done before .... with many of the same political players!

[bluesmail]

5. The Watergate Plumbers...

HA!

[bluesmail]

6. oh wait, the hobos from the grassy knoll...

[girl gone mad]

7. That was the first thought that popped into my mind, too.

Hiring low-level contractors to do your dirty work is not a new trick.

[Hissyspit]

8. More info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3039571

[Stinky The Clown]

9. CREEP

I always found the irony in that acronym hilarious.

[spanone]

10. rove/nixon/lee atwater

say it again.....

[Supersedeas]

14. just a few bad aiiipples

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. But, but, but they were NOT contractors!

from DynCorp no less

SNORT

[Alexander]

23. And Mr. Sturgis was arrested in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

But our government, the Bush family, and the MSM want us to believe it's all one big coincidence.

[Quantess]

25. Dear Hubs2Sparkly: Mug shots look alike to me.

I'm really not that good at figuring out who is on the mug shot, unless their name is captioned underneath their photo.

If you could ID their mug shots, I think people (not just me) would appreciate it. :hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

26. left to right: James McCord, Jr., Roman Gonzalez, Frank Sturgis, Eugenio Martinez, and Bernard Baker

There were 5 burglars arrested on June 17, 1972 at the Watergate offices of the Democratic National Committee:

James W. McCord - a security co-ordinator for the Republican National Committee and the Committee for the Re-election of the President. McCord was also a former FBI and CIA agent. He was dismissed from his RNC and CREEP positions the day after the break-in.

Virgilio R. (Roman) Gonzales - a locksmith from Miami, Florida. Gonzalez was a refugee from Cuba, following Castro's takeover.

Frank A. Sturgis - another associate of Barker from Miami, he also had CIA connections and involvement in anti-Castro activities.

Eugenio R. Martinez - worked for Barker's Miami real estate firm. He had CIA connections and was an anti-Castro Cuban exile. Click here to read Martinez's account of the burglary.

Bernard L. Barker - a realtor from Miami, Florida. Former Central Intelligence Agency operative. Barker was said to have been involved in the Bay of Pigs incident in 1962.

The five men were charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communications.

The burglars were indicted by a Grand Jury on September 15, as were:

G. Gordon Liddy - from Washington, counsel to the Finance Committee to Re-elect the President, a former FBI agent, former Treasury official, and former member of the White House staff. During the investigation, Liddy refused to answer questions and was fired from his job.

E Howard Hunt Jr. - from Washington, a former White House consultant and CIA employee. Hunt was a writer of espionage novels and had worked on declassifying the Pentagon Papers.

[slampoet]

28. Many of these men were also involved in the Bay of Pigs and I know at least Hunt was in Iran Contra.

As said before Sturgis was in Dallas.

[LanternWaste]

27. I was a low level employee working at a hospital admissions some time back

I was a low level employee working at a hospital admissions some time back. I don't think most people would believe the amount of information we had access to. We'd look up records of local celebrities just to pass the time some days.

Although I wasn't fired, I certainly saw files I had no reason, nor right to see. Just idle curiosity on my part.