The Dalai Lama is in my heart, thoughts and dreams lately

[Mike03]

Most importantly, thank you so much to the DUers who have brought attention to what is going on in Tibet and China.

I have very few heroes, but one of them is the Dalai Lama. Even though I know that he couldn't care one whit about what Chinese leaders say about him, or about the implications of unfounded, unsigned rumors, or the dangers that are posed to him if he is to make this trip to meet with Chinese leaders, I am very fearful for him.

I've read every single book he has ever written, participated in or been interviewed for. He is one of the few human beings in this entire world I look up to who is still alive. He inspires me. When I'm blue or terribly depressed or disappointed or disgusted with myself, all I have to do is read some of his work or listen to his voice, and I feel so much better.

But I don't put anything past his enemies. Now things have flaired up badly. I know this is an irrationally emotional vent, but with all of the pain of the past eight years, I don't think I can stand to see the destruction of Tibetan Buddhism, or attacks on the Dalai Lama. Something must be done to stop this violence, to preserve the precious Dharma and texts of that region, and the teachers who are the only living persons capable of passing on the direct teachings of these lineages.

Please, please, even if you are not Buddhist, consider saying a prayer or thinking a kind thought for Tibet, the philosphy of non-violence, and the perpetration of the precious teachings of the monks in Tibet over the next few weeks. It would be a tragedy beyond words to lose these teachings.

[LaurenG]

1. I actually got to see him in Denver

He is the sweetest most gentle person I've seen. I will continue to pray for Tibet and for the Dalai Lama.

[Better Believe It]

4. Sorry: Don't Especially Like His Politics

I don't believe in "God-Kings" or any kind of monarchy.

This is not to justify the Chinese governments crackdown,their opposition to monarchy and religious bigotry and prejudice ought to be political not military.

[JanMichael]

11. what "politics" of his do you not care for?

please explain.

[Happyhippychick]

2. I saw him last month. He is my only hero.

[sam sarrha]

3. many many chinese believe the state propaganda, that the Tibetans eat their children, then leave the

bones laying around the house... they think it is a good thing their genocide has murdered 1.25 million Tibetans.

[Better Believe It]

5. Link Please!

Do you have a credible link for that allegation about Chinese government propaganda?

[Dakini23]

6. Dalai Lama

It breaks my heart what is going on in Tibet.
Last week I marched in solidarity with some Tibetan friends in my community of Santa Fe, NM.
Free Tibet! Long Live The Dalai Lama! Release The Penchen Lama!
I also, have had dreams of The Dalai Lama in recent weeks.
May Tibet find peace.
Boycott the Olympics!

[Better Believe It]

7. Why Boycott?

Why should the United States and other undemocratic nations boycott the Olympics?

I think before you or I start preaching to the Chinese on the finer points of civil liberties and democracy we need to clean up our own house first.

Don't you agree with that?

[JanMichael]

12. nope. We are engaged in a global economy. We must boycott

where we see the need. Should the US clean up it's act first? I could certainly understand that viewpoint, but in the meantime--writing to the sponsors of the Olympics, and the networks and refusing to turn on the TV makes a pretty strong point about how we feel about human rights violations.

[alarimer]

15. They are WAY worse than us.

Murdering millions of Tibetans over the years for starters. Killing prisoners in order to harvest their organs. they are way more repressive than we are.

[RedCappedBandit]

16. It's called "multitasking"

[otherlander]

24. .

:thumbsup:

[sam sarrha]

8. my source is my Tibetan Friend Tinzen, who spent 2 yrs in a Chinese Death Camp for trying to escape

he did escape within a week of being released, to India. you get 2 years forced labor for having an image of the Dalai Lama.

the Chinese would arrest monks and nuns, gather the entire village.. tell the monks and nuns to strip naked at gun point and to have sex publicly.. or they would kill the entire village and warned the villagers if they looked away they would kill the entire village.

State Sponsored Genocide, 1 in 8 of all Tibetans have been, murdered, starved to death, worked to death or driven from their homes in fierce Tibetan winter with seconds warning and had their home bulldozed to the ground because it was of Tibetan style.. many men, women and children froze to death. chinese police are reported to rape women/nuns with cattle prods. they do anything because they believe Tibetans are not human. very horific propaganda has instilled that belief in many chinese people.

my friend is a Lama, head of a monastery in India and i do not believe he is capable of lying.

i will try to find a link..

[Better Believe It]

9. Lots Of Charges And No Evidence To Back Them Up

Please find a credible link that supports the allegations and defends the "God-King of Tibet".

Do you also believe the Dalai Lama is a God King and your anonymous source is incapable of lying?

I have to tell you that I think the assertions made by your God King of Tibet's apostle is 100% pure b.s. It's the sort of think one would expect from right-wing "anti-communist" propagandists from the cold war era. You haven't presented once ounce of evidence to back up any of those claims.

I don't think your a right-winger, however, your friend who heads up a monastery that worships the "God King of Tibet" could very well be. So please be careful.

[sam sarrha]

10. you are way out of line here.. your agenda is showing. i guess you also believe there's no genocide

careful of what, are you a Mao'ist or Xing extremist.. or NKT

the Dalai Lama has never professed to be anything other than a simple monk. i see him as nothing else.. but you are indellible marked as a self rightious bigot.

I ENJOYED THE COMPANY OF MY TIBETAN FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THEIR UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE AND COMPASSION FOR OTHERS.

of which you need a big dose to rejoin the human race

[JanMichael]

13. oh dear god. There are videotapes of the atrocities. How in the

world have you missed them? Did you take any religion or world history courses in school. The poster you are responding to is in no way obligated to name their source in the case of common knowledge. It's not his/her fault that you have missed the documentaries, the photos, hell....if you can't stand "news" by all means, watch a Brad Pitt movie. Really--it at least should be entertainment for you.

[sam sarrha]

14. here is a link... on treatment of Tibetan women.. forced abortions, permits to have children because

they are Tibetan.. section 5

http://www.tibet.com/Women/twdiirrpt.html#A3

i have heard his sort of Venom before.. actually word for word.. that is why i asked him where he got it.. i really want to know. but he isn't man enough to admit it.. i just wanted his link.. if he really believes it he will defend it, i will give him great respect for that..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=reported+atrocities+of+tibet+invasion&btnG=Search

[Better Believe It]

17. Still Waiting For Credible Sources

So who sponsors and funds the Tibetan Administration in Dharamsala, India
for the Fourth World Conference on Women Beijing, September 4-15, 1995 and what organizations and women's rights activists participated in the conference?

I'm hardly a "Maoist" and have never supported the undemocratic regime in China, when it was 'communist" or today when it is more "capitalist".

However, I am still waiting for any credible sources and links to be posted in support of the unbelievable claims being made in some posts. They sound almost word for word like the incredible, and false, charges made against North Vietnam and the NLF in the 60's and the Cuban government in the 60's and 70's.

It would not all at surprise me if some of the most right-wing "anti-communist" outfits are behind the scenes funding and spreading some of this propaganda designed to weaken and discredit the Chinese government. And I have to wonder if the CIA is back to its dirty tricks of funding right-wing opposition groups in China just as they have in Latin America in the name of democracy!

Far more credible sources that are critical of the Chinese government bureaucracy and its policies can be easily found. The independent Chinese union movement for starters that have organized strikes and demonstrations against government and employer policies. And none of these bona fide organizations support the man who claims to be not only the King of a monarchy but the God of Tibet!

Well I for one will not bow down and worship the Lama guy as a God and King who appears to be living rather since he left Tibet, much better than his religious cult followers.

[sam sarrha]

18. here is the deal... where are your sources about him claming to be god king..?

i am sincerely curious.. i have heard this before, which is why i "asked' if you got it from the chinese media, or western christian religious sources, or NKT that have a blood feud against him. where else..?? it is an interesting story.. havent heard your story yet

i have to contact some people in El Paso who can help me, i am presently very ill, i have mt left hand grafted 3 inches from my belly button, serious pain medication, and will most likely have my hand amputated by the end of the week.

so before i bother with a piss fight against you.. where do you get your 'Opinion' of the Dalai Lama.
i could end up agreeing with you, and it is not likely i will change your view anyway, i am an old research biologist.. i collect information, i have heard one side, i'd like to hear yours. your convictions are apparently very deep.. let us hear them

all i have ever seen of him is a really nice old man that reminds me of my grandfather

[Better Believe It]

19. The God King Of Tibet Links You Asked For

No problem. It took less than a minute to find these references to Tibets "God-King". I caneasily find many hundreds more if you'd like.


Headline New York Times "God-King of Tibet; The Dalai Lama"
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50E16F73C59127A93C6A9178FD85F4D8585F9

"The Dalai Lama, Tibet's god-king, fled on horseback after a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959 and now lives in exile in northern India. China accuses him of seeking independence for Tibet. The 72-year-old spiritual leader says he only wants greater autonomy for the region."
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0522775420080314

"For Tibetans Dalai Lama remains god-king"
Reuters
August 14th, 2005
http://www.savetibet.org/news/newsitem.php?id=796&printable=yes

The God-King may seem like a nice grandfather type but that's irrelevant. I'm sure that Hitler and Stalin seemed like nice men to some of their followers.

[sam sarrha]

20. what makes him a Hitler or a Stalan..? what extrapolates that hatred.?

[JanMichael]

21. you are arguing with a poster who has a specific agenda to post

here. One who has clearly never read the Dalai Lama's message of peace and love for everyone in the world; most notably his "summit" meeting with people of different faith's leaders.

Think of this as merely sad for him, recognize it for something that just "is," and move on.

I hope your hand is able to be saved--and that you are well and whole as soon as possible.

[sam sarrha]

22. i am not argueing with him, we are engauged in a civil conversation, sharing information, and an

enjoyable conversation.

i will be very better off without it, it is totally paralyzed, with a prosthetic device i will be employable. thank you for your concern and warm thoughts.

[sam sarrha]

23. your links are not a source, the source is an English media source that brown noses the Chinese for

continued access..

your links are not a valid source, they simply continue to perpetrate a miss translation for political purposes... now if you had something he said that indicates he professes that.. that would be a link..

god-king is a Chinese derogatory translation, an epithet, this person explains it well>>
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... by schlongmeister on 07/05/2006
..."FYI, god-king is not a completely accurate translation for Dalai Lama; it actually means Ocean of Wisdom. The Tibetans see him as a reincarnation of the bodhisattva Avolokiteshvara, not technically a "god" but an enlightened being who chooses to stay on earth to help others."...
===========================
"Ocean of Wisdom".. got the Nobel Prize for Peace, and dozens of other countries highest civilian peace achievement medals, including the United States of America's.

do you have the same cynicism for the Pope, gods chosen Representative, who actually believes it. the Dalai Lama has only ever professed to be only a simple monk.

westerners know very little of him or Buddhism
or Tibet, they were invaded and slaughtered men women and children, the "uprising" was simple peaceful free speech protesting Genocide

[Better Believe It]

26. God Kings Are Not Progressive

sam sarrha wrote:

"your links are not a source, the source is an English media source that brown noses the Chinese for
continued access..
your links are not a valid source, they simply continue to perpetrate a miss translation for political purposes... now if you had something he said that indicates he professes that.. that would be a link..
god-king is a Chinese derogatory translation, an epithet, this person explains it well"


The following link I posted was provided by the International Campaign for Tibet! Visit their website. Now do you really think they "brown nose the Chinese" and perpetrate misinformation and propaganda against the God King of Tibet?
"For Tibetans Dalai Lama remains god-king"
Reuters
August 14th, 2005
http://www.savetibet.org/news/newsitem.php?id=796&print...

Now I have to admit that I do not support any religious or political cult be it in support of Mao, Stalin, Hitler or the God King of Tibet. That's the bottom line for me. That doesn't mean I'm opposed to independence for Tibet. If that's what the majority in Tibet want, they should be granted independence.

However, some reactionary pretending to be a "progressive" God King should not lead it and will not have my support. Being a God King and progressive is a contradiction, unless you think a religious monarchy with a cult leader is the wave of the future!

[sam sarrha]

27. the link was AP..CfT didnt write it.. you obviously dont believe mine.. you are just making up shit

and cherry picking whatever propaganda you find to fuel your emotional distortions.. i have lived with the Tibetans, i thought you could supply a source of this disturbing hate speech,, but it seams you just got ignorant on your own.. some people dont need any help.

you are locked in what is called an "Apriori Loop" you have 'Information Disease', where ever in the conversation new/real/truthful information is input, you will kneeJerk to the same un investigated conclusion... that is what Rush Limbaugh brain washes people to do.. it doesn't work well in the real world, when it fails you blame others, external elements, not your internal misconceptions.

apriori is without investigation, the AP article uses a Chinese Epithet to describe the Dalai Lama.. that suits your purpose. no questions asked, all real time info is thus invalidated.

hopefully you are a young person who doesn't fall victim to alcohol, you may live to actually become a progressive thinker.. but then if you are young you are a victim of public education.. it will take study, if you ate a religious fundamentalist..and they taught you this hate shit.. you are probably already lost forever.. just make the best of it and try to remember Christ demands you love all his fathers creation. quit being cynical or you will die spiritually

you will never be able to be a real "Progressive" till you open your mind, right now you are a Selfrightious bigot, ignorance prevails and makes you feel really really good about it.. been there done that, thankfully i changed, why else would i bother with your hateful sorry ass..you can too

[Better Believe It]

28. I Did Not Make That Claim Sam

sam sarrha wrote:
"the link was AP..CfT didnt write it.. you obviously dont believe mine.. you are just making up shit"

sam .... I did not claim the International Campaign for Tibet wrote the link as you claim. I wrote "The following link I posted was provided by the International Campaign for Tibet! Visit their website."

They provided the link so that means you just made up sh*t!

Now let's keep this civil and try to stick to the facts. OK?

In any case, I sincerely hope you don't become a member of any religious or political cult that supports God Kings or political tyrants. That would not be very progressive at all, would it? Perhaps you can tell me how a God King cultist is better than a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.

[sam sarrha]

29. you used it as an example they believe it, why else link it when i already called AP Maoist brown

nosers.. look it is what they have to do to maintain access in china.. obviously a minor transgression in light of the bigger picture.

i told you that god-king is an epithet.. like "nigger"

Tibetans are a simple people who sometimes put things simply, their language is conceptual, hard to translate.. in Buddhism there are 'gods' but they live in the god realm, they didn't create the world nor rule it, they are born, live, suffer old age and they die horrible deaths. the gods cant use their unimaginable powers to save themselves.. so it follows they cant save us. Buddhism is based on logic.. Spock represented them in star trek.

meditaters run into people like you they often just think... "interesting" they dont attach emotions or judgments to words or concepts. if they couldn't help you without causing you more suffering they would do nothing just walk away.

i am presently a little over medicated, i am in a lot of pain and face amputation of my hand the end of the week if this graft doesn't go well, they burned it with some chemicals and it isn't going well. i probably would have just walked away otherwise..

in Buddhism every individual is responsible for their own salvation, no one or no thing can save you, only you thru practice and meditation can save you from cyclical rebirth old age suffering and death.. rent the video, 'The Little Buddha', a cute little movie, kiano reives..great cast

the Dalai Lama, lama is a teacher, actually "Ocean of Wisdom" is also translated.. 'Teacher of the Ocean of Wisdom" why would he call himself a god.. the least desirable reincarnation is in the god realm. Buddhism is not a Religion, it is closest to a 'Psychology'. it is a method of training the mind, to quit separating subject from object. that is all it is. http://www.buddhanet.net easy stuff in Buddhanet Audio, and beginners.

i was a research biologist, i studied nearly every religion, Buddhism is just a method.. if one needs religious aspects in their life, ritual behavior, etc.. there are forms of Buddhism for nearly any mental predisposition, you just start where you are, no failing, no burning in hell, no judging,..

Dalai Lama is a simple monk born into extraordinary circumstance, he has dedicated his life to help others to learn to end their own and others suffering. Tibetans never had 'Kings' why would they use god or king.. both western concepts

rent the DVD 'Kundun', it is his story and told well.

Buddhism is based in a simple teaching called "The Four Noble Truths

i have rambled enough, and typing with one finger is no fun at all.. have a good life,

[Better Believe It]

30. AP Isn't A Communist Media Front

Sorry. I don't think the AP is a communist front for Maoists. That sounds like McCarthyism and right-wing b.s. Is that what the supporters of the God King of Tibet are claiming?

[sam sarrha]

33. simple explination. it is not a proper term to describe the Dalai Lama. it's a derogatory term meant

to insult and invalidate the Dalai Lama, commonly used by the Chinese, and repeated by others who may or may not understand the situation.. such as yourself.

you.. being on a progressive forum using that term, should expect to be informed of what i am trying to tell you. this would be like we just met hanging out at a party and in mixed polite company you refer to a woman as a "Cunt".. i would first inform you of proper social etiquette, do it again someone shows you the door.

i obviously cant throw you out here, just an example.


you are very confused about this.

free people also live in prisons of circumstance, violent people are not allowed in general public till they learn the rules of general public..

there are many invisible layers we are not able to even perceive because we haven't trained our minds to those levels, so we stay in lower levels imprisoning ourselves in them because of our ignorance of them or our ego centric insistence on not doing what is required to leave here.

what we have to do is learn to eliminate negativity, anger, hate, aversion, grasping from our lives, recognize good, do good, cultivate love, practice meditation to break the habitual negative thoughts/behaviors, mentally stay in the now and break the habit of drifting into the future or the past.

here is my favorite Dalai Lama Quote

"A negative thought continues and increases exponentially until replaced by a positive thought, however the positive thought must be cultivated." HHDL

[quadriga]

25. I feel the same way.

I fear an attempt will be made on his life. To quote Thompson the Dalai Lama is "Too weird to live, too rare to die"

[mdmc]

31. nice quote

:toast:

[GOPBasher]

32. I'm with you.

I have so much admiration for him, and the Chinese government is fucking evil.

[Better Believe It]

34. Are You Suggesting That China Is Part Of A New "Axis Of Evil"?

If the Chinese government is "fucking evil" what does that make the United States government?

Damn I hate right-wing propaganda and people who are so easily swayed by it who should know better!

Think about what you just wrote GOPBasher. You just used the kind of term that George Bush and his right-wingnuts use to describe governments they oppose .... evil doers! Listen to yourself!

[GOPBasher]

35. I reserve the right to call things the way I see them, though I don't have the right

to push for war with anyone. I think the United States government is evil for the things we've done around the world and also for the totalitarian, theocratic streak we've been on. I think China's government is evil for being a totalitarian, authoritarian government that represses their people, and also for what they've done to Tibet. In fact, I think most governments are evil.

And you're the one whose spreading right wing propaganda, if you're defending the totalitarian government in China. Why is it right wing to chastise a totalitarian government? Democracy is a liberal ideal. Just because I use the same word as Bush uses means nothing. We all use a lot of the same words; we speak the same language.