Judeo-Fascist Lawyer Wants To Excommunicate Opposing Counsel

[Ian David]

For Lawyer, Next Stop in Foreclosure Case Is Excommunication
copied from The Jewish Daily Forward
By Marissa Brostoff
Tue. Mar 18, 2008

With the national mortgage crisis growing worse by the day, a Boston lawyer is looking to alleviate matters by appealing to Jewish law.

David Grossack, an attorney representing an elderly couple whose home is being foreclosed on, argued in a letter to a Boston rabbinical court, or beit din, that his opposing counsel, Jewish lawyers who represent the Federal National Mortgage Association, have defied Jewish law and therefore should be excommunicated. To be specific, Grossack is seeks for them to be put in what’s known as cherem, or full exclusion from the Jewish community. This legal feature in Halacha, or Jewish law, was famously applied to philosopher Baruch Spinoza in the 17th century but has been used very rarely in modern times.

“I want to shame them,” Grossack said of attorneys Mark Harmon and Jason Greenberg. “They’re not doing anything illegal. But it’s not halachically correct, and it’s not helping the Jewish community.”

Grossack, who is not affiliated with any congregation, describes himself as “self-taught.” In his letter to the Rabbinical Court of Justice, Grossack claimed that defending “predatory lending practices” in court is tantamount to “aiding and abetting lending at interest, which we Jews forbid to each other.” Although neither party represented in the case is Jewish, the lawyers on both sides are, and Grossack interprets the talmudic injunction as extending beyond its literal meaning.

Grossack added that he approached Greenberg about taking the case to a rabbinical court. He also said that his threat may have had an effect.

More:
http://hinghamblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/david-grossack-himself.html


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[Fredda Weinberg]

1. You can't spell and I doubt you know what a fascist is. This is actually

quite heartening. American law may not recognize these mortgage predators as criminals ... though some faced federal charges this morning ... but a rabbinical council is absolute. All they have to do is agree ... you know how hard it is to get 3 Jews to agree on anything?

As for your bigoted mind ... sorry, bark up another tree.

[Ian David]

2. I know this person personally. Trust me. This person is a self-avowed fascist. n/t

[The Stranger]

6. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie?

I mean, your post was satire, right?

You're not really calling the OP a "bigot" for posting this, right?

You just forgot the sarcasm smilie, right? (Right?)

[Ian David]

7. Maybe I'm a self-hating Jew, like Grossack says Joe LIEberman is? n/t

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. When Jews are called fascists for following our own customs, I'm offended

YMMV, but that's what bigotry is all about - I don't expect anyone else to understand.

[Ian David]

16. Differentiating between fascist and non-fascist religionists.

As a Jew myself, I have no business calling Christo-fascists what they are if I cannot stomach calling Judeo-fascists what THEY are.

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The handful of ignorant hate-mongers who blame gays for earthquakes and want to destroy the mosque in Jerusalem are certainly Judeo-fascists, as surely as Dobson and Phelps are Christo-fascists.

But in the case of Grossack, his fascism is worn on his sleeve anyway, in non-religious contexts as well.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. You're carrying personal baggage. From the article, Grossack is the

virtuous one. Since I don't know the parties, I'll ask you to keep a civil tongue. In this context, you're out of line

[Ian David]

20. Just because he may be right in this particular instance does not mean he's not a giant douche. n/t

[Fredda Weinberg]

21. Maybe so, but your subject line carries vitriol not warranted by the

circumstances. Everything else is your problem.

[Ian David]

22. Add it to the long list of my other problems, then. n/t

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[Ian David]

28. That's an unfair comparison. n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

3. Oh wait I get the linkage there!

He's facist because he's Jewish right? :crazy:

Um did YOU read the article? He's facist because he's trying to keep old people in their homes?

Oh that dirty rotten Hebrew, playing his dirty Hebrew tricks to help old people. What a bastard :sarcasm:

I don't even know that Freeperville wouldn't stone you out of town if you posted something so stupid and bigotted over there.

[Ian David]

5. No, he's fascist because he's a fascist who happens to be Jewish (Jewish like I am, too)

Please at least know what the fuck you're talking about before you engage in personal attacks.

Read some of that Fuckwad Grossack's other writings about how he wants to destroy the Mosque in Jerusalem, disband the SEC, and otherwise merge corporate and government interests.

If you can stomach it.

He's admitted to me, personally, that he believes in Fascism as a better form of government for America.

I know of what I speak.

And why should I hesitate to call someone a Judeo-Fascist when I regularly feel no guilt at calling Christo-Fascists what THEY are?

[Ordr]

4. If this succeeds, what is stopping an appeal to Sharia law for something else?

[harun]

8. Nothing is stopping an appeal to Sharia law now, but it would have about

as much effect as this guys appeal will have, which is nothing but some media coverage.

[Ian David]

9. Personally, I don't see the harm in taking someone to a religious court...

... to deprive them of their right to play with their imaginary friend.

It's when religious courts have the authority to take away real civil rights that I become concerned.

[Ordr]

10. Good

:)

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. Since you obviously don't know the difference, a Beit Din is only

binding on those who accept it. Sharia law can kill.

[Ordr]

13. Religious court is religious court.

[Fredda Weinberg]

14. Nonsense. A Beit Din can't deprive anyone of their life or liberty. Sharia

Law need government authority to function ... Judaism has adapted.

[Ian David]

18. Agreed. They only have the authority to tell you your imaginary friend doesn't like you.

They can't cut off your hand or anything.

I also believe they can issue fines and other penalties, but only if you agree to be bound by their decision.

In that case, it's like agreeing to third-party arbitration.

[DCKit]

17. If both sides hadn't agreed to this venue, they wouldn't be there.

You don't go to the world poker championships and bring your own cards.

Personally, I think shaming them in this manner is totally appropriate and more than a little ironic. I think a certain mortgage company is going to be looking for new representation, regardless of the outcome.

[knitter4democracy]

15. I kind of like this idea.

Public shaming works. Maybe shaming the opposition is a good idea here. I'm not entirely sure I'm okay with attacking the lawyers rather than the corporation, but it's interesting.

And I have never heard of a "self-taught" Jew. I thought a major part of the faith was to work with a rabbi, not strike out on your own?

[Ian David]

23. Since Grossack is a giant bag of douche, I'm biassed against this.

If someone who was less of a greasy asshole did this, I might be more enthusiastic.

[knitter4democracy]

24. That makes sense.

The messenger often has an impact on the message.

I get the sense you don't like this person very much. :)

[Ian David]

25. Ya think? n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. Being a non-practicing Jew, I find the subject line offensive, and upon reading the

account, I'm sorry but this attorney is trying to do the best for his clients. Sometimes desperate people do desperate things, and this was an act of desperation on his part, to gain leverage against a much larger opponent. His heart is certainly in the right place.

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David Grossack, an attorney representing an elderly couple whose home is being foreclosed on.