30 YEARS down the road will history lump the Bushes and Clintons together?

[jerryme1]

[meegbear]

1. Ummmm ... no.

Thanks for asking though.

[Zueda]

2. Yes.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/30/svEXPRES_wideweb__470x354,0.jpg

[jerryme1]

23. Exactly. Good times!!

[bryant69]

3. Well it depends on whether you think people are getting dumber or smarter

I mean if people are really dumb they might see no difference between a skilled, if flawed, executive who presided over peace and prosperity, and a gibbering moron who drove the ship of state over a cliff (to mix a metaphor).

But I think people aren't getting any dumber, so I think they'll be able to tell the difference.

Bryant
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[jerryme1]

9. 3 Bush terms and 3 Clinton terms. I don't know.....

[bryant69]

19. How dumb do you think our future country men are going to be? n/t

[Winterblues]

21. How about between Addams and Jefferson, any difference?

I know Americans are just plain stupid but I can't imagine them being this stupid..

[Cosmocat]

28. Put me in the dumber camp ...

It is now 20 years, and Reagan has been remade into one of the greatest presidents the country has had ... While Clinton has been successfully marked as a "scandal ridden" presidency ...

Sorry ...

20 years from now, George W Bush will be remade as a resolute leader who shepparded the US through one of the most perilous times in its history ...

[blm]

31. That 'gibbering moron' was POSSIBLE because of Clinton's protection of GHWBush and Jackson Stephens

throughout the 90s, when all of BushInc should have been in jail, not preparing to retake the WH.

[Pastiche423]

34. Precisely

Bill Clinton allowed the corruption to continue, when he had the chance to stop it or at least slow it down.

He did neither. Instead, he became part of the problem.

[malaise]

37. Bingo n/t

[zonmoy]

4. I suspect that it will depend on if the american empire has fallen or is still standing.

[jwirr]

5. I think that 30 years down the road the Clinton era will only be seen

as a small stopgap in the progress of raygunomics as it raced to its ultimate failure.

[barbtries]

6. no

[spanone]

7. why? clinton didn't start an illegal war...clinton didn't bankrupt our economy NO

[40ozDonkey]

8. Nah. Bush's failures are spectacular in scope...

...Clinton's failures are just petty and largely inconsequential.

[jerryme1]

10. Agreed. But Hillary did endorse Iraq and Bush's Iran plan. She just seems

so business as usual.

[meegbear]

13. So Bill Clinton's entire presidency will be remembered for Hillary Senate votes?

Please advise.

[jerryme1]

25. Couched between Reagan and the Bushes, I'm not sure anyone will remember

Clinton's presidency.

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. You're really reaching, aren't you?

:spank:

[Frances]

11. If John McCain wins and the Repub revolution is complete,

then yes.

I am so disappointed that so many DUers treat W and Bill the same. Their policies are exact opposites.

Just because Obama will be a good President doesn't mean that Bill didn't do good things under extraordinarily difficult circumstances.

Bill was President when the country was becoming more Republican (too much prosperity and peace and goodwill under Bill).

Obama if he wins will take office when there is a Dem trend and a recognition of the need for gov't to intervene on the average person's behalf. When Clinton was in office, most Americans believed Reagan's mantra that gov't was the problem, not a solution.

[jerryme1]

12. Good point. It took a dose of the "Clintons" to complete the Repub Revolution.

[Frances]

15. You are so wrong

Bill Clinton vetoed all those bills the Repubs passed in Congress. W signed them all.

That's why we had a surplus when Bill left and we have gigantic debt now.

[Jennicut]

14. No way...and I am not even a Hillary supporter

They are completely different. Hillary and Bill have views that are much much less conservative that the Bushes. The Bushes are a dynasty of evil. The Clintons are a bit power hungry but they did not have Mommy and Daddy to help them get where they are. I admire lots of qualities in the Clintons and while this primary has sapped some of my enthusiasm I once held for them the Bushes have no redeeming qualties and make me sick as human beings.

[jerryme1]

16. I know Bushes' and Clintons' policies are different. I guess I'm presupposing the Nader

argument that while the Clintons and Bushes are different, in the big picture, they are the same.

[Jennicut]

40. Didn't we have this argument in 2000? Look where we are now, that is your answer.

No way are they the same politically or personally. I don't have a great love of the Clintons, especially now, with their dirty fights towards Obama. But to compare them with the Bushes is utterly ridiculous. Hillary is for universal healthcare. Bush could care less how much we have to pay. Hillary does not really want to stay forever in Iraq-it costs too much to do other things that are more important to her and other Dems. It goes like this, Bushes are despicable, Clintons slightly better personally, much better politcally, Obama Gore and some other Dems much much better both in private life and politcally. Does that answer your question? Nader=egomaniac.

[marions ghost]

32. true

that's about how I see it.

I guess considering the Repig goals of total domination and one-party rule we have to give the Clintons some credit for waltzing with the pigs and trying to steer them a little more towards considering the needs of the throngs outside the gates. AT least they understand that you can't have a healthy society with no investment in the people.

Problem is, the Clinton strategy of the 90's doesn't work very well now.

[LanternWaste]

17. I imagine many people would like to your gift of Absolute Prognostication.

I imagine many people would like to your gift of Absolute Prognostication.

[Ganja Ninja]

20. No not a chance. n/t

[ThomWV]

22. Do we link Washington and Arnold together as one?

[blindpig]

24. yep

Nafta, growth of the disparity in wealth, reduction of the social safty net, imperial aggression(Bill's was low key, but nonetheless), lip service at best for the environmental crisis, offshoring of industry, what's to like?

[Romulox]

26. The regressive nature of Clinton's policies is becoming clearer with time, that's for sure

War on Drugs
Deregulation
Welfare "reform"
"Free trade"/NAFTA/WTO
Iraq policy

With the perspective of time, the Clinton admin can be seen as smooth transition from the H.W. Bush to W. Bush admins.

[marions ghost]

27. It will all be seen in the context

of corporate Rethuglicans using the Evangelicals to attain power in order to loot and plunder the country and drive it into the ditch.

The Clintons will be seen as slippery Demo-pugs who sold their souls to get a seat at the table--the smart Triangulators, who at best put their fingers in the dike but were not able to really bring about the fundamental changes needed.

[JCMach1]

29. Hell no... Bush new Nixon combined with the incompetency of Grant

and the cronyism of Harding! He is the BOTTOM of the barrel and the new touchstone of presidential futility.

[yellowdogintexas]

38. wonderful phrase! "new touchstone of presidential futility"

new Nixon with incompetency of Grant and cronyism of Harding. I LOVE IT

but, still, he didn't have an affair in the White House...at least that we know of.....


that makes him pure




:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[blm]

30. Yes. Who actively protected BushInc throughout the 90s when they should've been jailed?

There would be no Bush2 without Clinton's curious benevolent protection of GHWbush and Jackson Stephens on so many of their ongoing illegal operations.

[LanternWaste]

33. No more than we currently group Hoover and Roosevelt together...

No more than we currently group Hoover and Roosevelt together...

[Lilith Velkor]

35. Yes, just like we lump together Carter and Ford today.

:crazy:

[blues90]

36. 30 years from now someone might be reading history

On a CD disc found on radio-active sand . The history will show just how stupid and foolish the america people were to allow stolen elections and illegal wars let alone an entire lesson on social issues that were forever ignored .

It will show split screen images of the americans out shopping on one screen fighting over I-phones and X-boxs and the losses on black friday and on the other screen millions of Iraqis blown to bits and US soldiers left in the streets for their efforts . Along with with all the jobless and homeless .

Across the top of these screens will be endless fottage of the presidential hopefuls in all their glory backed and braced by a row of american flags and the millions spend on their campaign propaganda telling people lies on how they are going to fix everything shown on the screens below .

[mitchum]

39. Like Lenny and George