Why Giuliani Will Never Be President ------>>>

[Stephanie]

Because Rudy has TERRIBLE JUDGMENT.

Just like locating his emergency command center at the WTC and stocking it with huge explosive diesel tanks and having no backup center in case it was destroyed at its site right next to the biggest target in the world, was stupid. Just like announcing in a press conference on the steps of St. Patrick's Cathedral that he was leaving his wife for his mistress before he even told his wife, who heard about it on tv, and they had two young children, was stupid.

This was another bad decision >>>

VIDEO: Rudy Giuliani in Drag Smooching Donald Trump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=5162&mesg_id=5162

[fujiyama]

1. Well that could very well sink his chances of being nominated

Then again, considering the INCREDIBLY poor quality of republican candidates, Rudy is lookin good for the fascists now...

[napi21]

7. I hope I'm wrong, but I think they're looking to Brownback!

Rudy's a heck of a talker, and quite convincing, but I really don't think he'll ever the fundies, even by promising to nominate judges like Scalia! I don't think they'll ever trust him. I don't think Romney is looking too good, even though the Bushies seem to be supporting HIM.

To be honest, I'm not sure which Pub candidate I should hope they nominate. Certainly I want one that will be easy to defeat,but I'm always scared that some dirty work just could put the sucker in the Presidency! Right now, I think I could sorta live with Hagel, but that's the only one! BTW, it sure looks like McCain's candidacy is dead!

[jaysunb]

10. Think Huckabee...

seriously.

[Maven]

2. HAHA! Rudy looks like a big HOMO!

Get it?

:eyes:

[bleever]

5. Haw haw haw...

It's funny, cuz he's not afraid to make fun of them!

:eyes:

"It's Giuliani time."

[Maven]

6. Can't touch this!

STOP! Rudy time.

[LostinVA]

40. hahahahhaha -- I love gay baiting -- let's do it some more!

[Colobo]

3. Rudy is an extremely ugly old lady... perfect for Trump!

[don954]

4. the diesel is a red herring

um, you cant explode diesel outside an engine, that's why its used for generators all over, its the most stable fuel you can have in liquid form. Almost every skyscraper has several generators with 100-1000g diesel tanks. You could throw a lit cigarette into a pool of diesel and it probably wouldn't do anything but get snuffed out..

But putting the ONLY command center there was a stroke of stupidity, along with the drag costume and every thing else he did..

[bananarepublican]

36. Yep! This was a cover story to disguise the fact that the building was 'pulled'. n/t

[piedmont]

57. You pretty much said everything I would have said nt

[jaysunb]

8. Go Rudy !

:evilgrin:

[cboy4]

9. Rudy is really a good sport....he did all sorts of bits on Letterman when

he was mayor, and he appeared on Saturday Night Live a number of times and was hilarious.

Is this the best you can do to articulate he would be a horrible president? (which he would.)

Your mockery is offensive to many in the GLBT community, with an emphasis on the "T"

[Stephanie]

15. I disagree with you.

I don't think this sketch has anything to do with the GLBT community. It is more along the lines of bad Benny Hill.

[JackBeck]

22. For the love of jeebus you compare this to Benny Hill?

Where do the insults end???

Faux-drag has always been an insult to the GLBT community. Kind of like black face, if you need another example.

[Stephanie]

45. Well if you want to go that direction then drag itself is an insult to women.

The purpose of drag is to ridicule women. But I'm not talking about his costume, I'm talking about his act. What if Hillary did a sketch with Donald Trump's nose in her cleavage? How would that go over?

[NMMNG]

11. He wore a dress! He must be a flaming homosexual!

He simply cannot be President!


Wait a minute--this isn't Freak Repugnant, is it? It's getting harder and harder to tell sometimes.

[Cobalt-60]

12. Agreed.

I'm predicing he'll be stripped to a skeleton by sewer rats before the convention.
It's a dream I have.

[Stephanie]

16. There's so much to talk about!

Bernard Kerik. Judith Nathan.

[JackBeck]

31. Dude was married to his second cousin.

If you REALLY wanna get into the dirt.

[yurbud]

13. He is better looking as a woman than man. I thought that was Madonna at first

[Catherine Vincent]

47. uh, I don't think so.

He looks like ugly on a stick.

[babylonsister]

14. Great post, not for the pix, but for what Rudy DIDN'T do pre-9/11.

Everyone thinks he's a savior. He's not. Those pics are priceless though. I remember at the time I thought he had balls doing that; in a different life, I might just admit it. ;-)

[bananarepublican]

37. What about the fact that he destroyed the WTC crime scene as soon as he could? n/t

[Duncan Grant]

17. He's better on gay rights than most Democrats.

Funny how those lines blur. I suppose he should be ashamed of this photo? :shrug:

[Stephanie]

18. I think he's a bad actor in a bad costume in a bad sketch letting Donald Trump nuzzle his bosom.

I really don't see it as a GLBT issue. Did you watch the video?

[Duncan Grant]

25. Rudy's in drag. Aren't we suppose to revile him because that's so gay?

I've seen the video but who in the Republicon party is interested in watching it? Isn't this about tearing Rudy down as a Presidential candidate?
Rudy dresses in drag. He has gay friends. He supports gay rights. And so on... So, I guess I do see this as a GLBT issue on some level. Rudy must be a bad man because he's in drag. Only fags do that. Rudy is a fag.

Ick.

[EFerrari]

26. The step that is getting missed here is the OP is correctly showing

how the nutwing base will see it. She herself isn't promoting that viewpoint.

And :hi: neighbor.

[Maven]

27. Yes, but

the implication is that we may exploit it to knock him out as a candidate.

[EFerrari]

28. Is it? I thought the implication was, he'll shoot himself in both feet

without much help from anyone.

/ack

[Maven]

29. Well, the Republicans certainly aren't going to broadcast that clip

So how does it help us unless we use it against him Willie Horton-style?

[EFerrari]

30. I must be particularly dense tonight because I thought the idea was

he's just going to keep on doing things to alienate the Thug fascist base.

If that's so, I'm sorry.

lol

[Jim Lane]

50. Some Republicans will -- though probably not the Republican candidates

Rudy's intraparty opponents will want the clip out there. On the other hand, you're right that they won't want to be seen as broadcasting it, because then they'll be criticized for negative campaigning and ignoring the real issues that the American people care about (like flag burning).

So, how will supporters of McCain, Romney, Brownback, Hunter, et al. reconcile this problem? It's pretty simple in the age of the 527. Some fat cats who don't like Rudy's liberalism on social issues will pony up the dough. (Someone can ask Sam Fox to help out, and there's a $50k start right off the bat.) Then the clip gets widely broadcast while all the other candidates piously distance themselves from this negativity.

Incidentally, over on Free Republic, the Giuliani issue seems to have supplanted immigration as the hot topic. Some of the Freeptards simply chant "abortion-gays-guns" whenever Giuliani's name is mentioned, and swear they won't vote for him. Others support Giuliani on the basis that the really important issue is stopping terrorism (at which he is presumed to be a master) or that the really important issue is stopping Hillary (who is presumed to be the Democratic nominee and who is hated with a ferocity that cannot be described).

[Duncan Grant]

32. True, that.

Rudy forgot that what's good for Monty Python is terrible for Presidential politics. That this 'farce' will get used against him in some anti-gay manipulation of public opinion kinda sucks. Obviously, he's not my candidate but as for gay rights -- he's as good, if not better, than most.

I feel compelled to point out this sort of "ick factor" manipulation not only on our side but their's as well. Am I wrong in thinking that anti-gay sentiment is being exploited in order to destroy Rudy?

Nice to see you too, neighbor. I'm still so proud of you for all you did in 2005 here at DU! :hi:

[EFerrari]

34. It could be exploited -- just as Richardson's fake Latinohood

could be exploited, couldn't it? (Richardson who shut down a recount of Native American and Latino votes in 2004 for purposes only known to his dirty self.)

This is one dirty kitchen and I agree that we need to be mindful of ourselves. It's tempting to play the wingnuts like a violin but that just takes ya to the hateful place where they live.

[cali]

38. "fake latinohood"??

So is Obama a "fake black" because his mother was white? It's my understanding that Richardson's mother was Mexican. Just exactly how is he a fake latino?

[Bluebear]

33. Kind of was my take too, just not a "Presidential" appearance

Not the drag but the whole schtick. But then again nothing about him is presidential to me.

[EFerrari]

35. Yeah, he's slime. Imho, he may seem socially "liberal"

but actually, he's just all about Rudy. Not caring can look like tolerance or approval when it's just plain, not caring.

Get him to a fundie fundraiser and I bet we see his inner Nazi shine. :shrug:

[Stephanie]

44. His was one of the worst times in NYC - he was considered a little fascist.

"It's Giuliani time" was a line from a real-life horror story.

[cboy4]

19. Yea he is. I might just have to vote for him,,,,fuck it.

;)

[JackBeck]

23. Funny how the gay community gets pissed about drag queens who perform in black face.

Funny how the lines get blurred.

[aquart]

20. He brought his mistress into Gracie Mansion where his wife and kids lived..

What was he thinking?

[JackBeck]

24. What was he thinking when he married his second cousin is more important.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

21. K&R So many Questions concerning his Judgment

Giuliani was mayor and should have done immediate crime scene investigation.. As Webster Tarpley noted, "Guiliani has not had a word to say about this in his memoirs. The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disappear fast."

"The steel was transported quickly to China, ending any opportunity to run any tests in connection with ascertaining how the 9/11 explosions may have occurred".
Destroying a Crime Scene; http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7010

[michreject]

39. He's a idiot

He is not a serious contender. The gun owners are against him.

I don't believe that the person who will win the Republican nomination has announced their candidacy yet.

[LostinVA]

41. Give it a frigging rest

This is becoming more tiresome than Nigerian emails.

[sniffa]

42. wow! why has this never been brought up on DU?

this rudy in drag thing shouLd be fLogged nonstop. then we can aLL make jokes about RW hypocrisy and teLL the GLBTers there's nothing wrong with being transphobic as Long as it's against repubLicans.

[rodeodance]

43. my guess is that most do not even know your two examples:

.......Just like locating his emergency command center at the WTC and stocking it with huge explosive diesel tanks and having no backup center in case it was destroyed at its site right next to the biggest target in the world, was stupid. Just like announcing in a press conference on the steps of St. Patrick's Cathedral that he was leaving his wife for his mistress before he even told his wife, who heard about it on tv, and they had two young children, was stupid.

[electron_blue]

46. nah. Bush has terrible judgment and look what happened to him.

There are ways for even the inept to become President.

[Gabi Hayes]

51. exactly, and, you've hit, implicitly, on the very reason he WILL win the nomination:

the M$M have already annointed him.

the narratived has been set

they will brook NO swiftboating of America's mayor.

any stories/pictures/clips like the above will either be shown for one news cycle, if that

think back about what they did with Bush's myriad skeletons. they kept them buried deep in the closet for TWO election cycles.

with the patina of his 'heroic' post 911 leadership still being burnished, the media have pretty much fallen in lockstep with their coverage.

contrast that with what they're done to Gore in just the last few days. sound familiar?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. Maybe Rudy can squeeze some brib...er, campaign contributions out of Mr. Wonderful.

Nothing like sharing of funds to cement a relationship.

[NobleCynic]

49. I thought this story on Rudy was irrelevant

and shouldn't be considered at all in regards to presidential run when I read it in print. Part of me still does.

But after seeing those photos, I can't stop laughing. Wow.

I don't necessarily think it's right that he is going to get slammed so hard for this, but really now. The far right is going to do it for us. Let them do the attacking.

[AlCzervik]

52. no, him in drag is about the only reason to like Rudy.

[smalll]

53. Plus the three wives, and also the baldness

and Judith Nathan is no-one's idea of a First Lady.

[WI_DEM]

54. I'm not convinced

The GOP desperately wants to win in '08 and if Rudy looks like he is the strongest Republican they can nominate, I think many on the GOP side will swallow it hard and vote for him.

[bumblebee1]

56. They will also hold their noses at the same time. eom

[BlooInBloo]

55. Sigh. People never stop underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate...

... We're a stupid, stupid country. Look at GW. And Connecticut.

[Horse with no Name]

58. Well it just goes to prove

Not everyone looks better as a blonde.:puke:

[Savannah_H]

59. Donald

The look on Donald's face is priceless....