A Secret that the President told everyone....(not too smart of him.eh?)

[Stuart G]

I have thought about this one for a long time. Why would the President tell everyone in the world a secret that really only the Military should know.

...What do you say?

..By our present involvement in Iraq...He has told everyone where the breaking point of our Army is.

EVERYONE KNOWS NOW THAT CONTINUOUS COMBAT DEPLOYMENT OF ABOUT 185,000 TROOPS CAN AND WILL BREAK THE U.S. MILITARY.

I am not so sure I would want everyone to know this..
But the President has decided to tell everyone.
I would think that should be some kind of secret..don't you?.
.We have a standing armed force of about 2,000,000.
... Nice number..But what is now clear, is that a certain number is really all that can be counted on to fight, for any length of time ...... and guess what?
George W. Bush has told everyone....

[MADem]

1. Sounds like justification for a military DRAFT to me! NT

[Subdivisions]

2. If our military is 2,000,000 strong, why do we have "stop loss"? n/t

[dysfunctional press]

3. because that doesn't mean 2 million grunts and ied fodder.

officers try not to dirty their hands or uniforms. or bleed.

[Supersedeas]

18. consider how many desk jockeys patrol the Pentagon

[MADem]

4. Because most Sailors aren't going to Iraq (save corpsmen and MAAs)

Most USAF personnel aren't going there, either--though that is changing. It's the Army and USMC that do the heavy lifting over there, and on top of that little chore, we've got military installations around the world that need to be populated as well.

Stop loss prevents the 'good ones' from leaving. You know how it is in uniform, if you want something done right, give it to the busiest person.

[alfredo]

5. The Army needs clerks to lose paper work and to give the grunt

someone to feel superior to.

Though the grunt is important, the quartermaster is the main man, the guy with power over the strong and the weak.

Our quartermaster made sure that asshole second louie got what was coming to him. When he was transferred state side after inflicting much pain on us, we went to the quartermaster to seek revenge. Though the second louie was sent stateside, all his worldly possessions went to an underwater research facility in the South Pacific.

the Army is more than the man with the gun.

[quadriga]

9. Sounds interesting

What underwater research facility would that have been?

[alfredo]

13. No idea. I was told that by the guys who went to the quartermaster.

[MADem]

17. Rummy wanted to outsource the typists and skivvie stackers, too--if it doesn't put

ordnance on target, fuck it, was his attitude.

[alfredo]

22. More outsourcing means more post retirement money.

These people, Rummy and the rest of the junta believe in a pure free market and everything they can do to that end is good. Even if it drives this nation into total chaos, it doesn't matter because the rich multinationals will survive and will cash in on the chaos. Why do you think bush called the constitution a "Goddamn piece of paper"? To them the nation/state is nothing more than the means to keep their serfs in line.

[mac2]

25. They are royal robbers.

There is no patriotism for country among the Neo Cons (most of who have been in politics most their lives...some even their fathers before them).

They are world robbers and liars.

[alfredo]

27. Thomas Jefferson tried to warn us about the Tradesman. The neo cons

are just shills for the corporate world.

[mac2]

24. 911 was a cover at the Pentagon to destroy the financial

records. Why would Bin Laden want to do that Rummy? $3 Trillion can't be accounted for right?

[mac2]

30. So cronies could profit and he could steal.

[dysfunctional press]

21. that's not necessarily true...

i have heard/read where all branches of the military are rotating manpower through there.

[Donnachaidh]

6. you know, it would be just like Bush to start up a draft a couple of months

BEFORE he leaves office - especially if he thinks a Democrat is going to be voted into office.

Think about the chaos he'll be leaving for the poor sod, whoever it is. Talk about a spiteful VICIOUS act -- it's so HIM, dontcha think?

[Stuart G]

7. I agree with this spiteful, vicisous, view..

Sure...he would leave the next "sod", as you say, anything, especially if it is a Democrat, no matter who.

but, he does that for everyone..He fired Rummy after the election...He did not want to look bad ...before the election..
...even if it meant that he could do something for his own sick Republican Party,...thank goodness.

He thinks only of himself, himself, and himself...A real classy fellow.

[Zywiec]

8. How would Bush start up a draft?

Isn't that something Congress would need to vote on?

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

20. I don't know - but he still has powerful brethren in the Senate like Boehner

And they've shown in the past that they have NO problems lying out of their asses to get what they want.

We don't have independent journalists in Iraq. We don't have journalists who would balk about what we are doing in areas around the border. They are *embedded* with the troops.

I wouldn't put it past this government to set up a scenario in the area of the Iran/Iraq border to make it seem like we are in DIRE need of reinforcements to protect *our interests and our troops* in order to get a draft resolution thru Congress.

And we have not got enough reps in Congress with fully-matured spines to STOP him. Not now.

I can see them trying it. Yes.

[mac2]

26. Bush wants to destroy our military for a world mercinary one

The intent is not to make us stronger but disappear altogether. How else can he oppress us and steal our democracy for themselves? Mercinaries train on our soil already...even the Brits. Are the British getting us back with the Americas?

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. They got rid of the governor of California in the same manner-

Enron planned schemes in advance (newspaper article title) and -created- power shortages and blackouts in CA; people blamed the governor and someone created a recall election, allowing a Republican lackey and Enron friend into office in our very blue state.

Create enough of a problem, even if someone else has to take care of it, and people will want massive change, even if it allows another Republican to get in.

I really don't care very much for knowing how these things think. It doesn't wash off.

[mac2]

12. They create the problem and then they give the solution.

So Orwellian. Constant chaos for power and division..Leo Strauss students are just plain wrong and evil.

[alfredo]

14. Disaster capitalism as Naomi Klein calls it.

"The Shock Doctrine" Naomi Klein.

[mac2]

29. Not Capitalism....Monopolistic.

[alfredo]

32. Monopoly is the goal. Capitalism is the obtaining and holding of capital.

[mac2]

33. And using that capital to form huge monopolies to make

even more "capital".

[alfredo]

35. The Republicans have done a good job of equating Capitalism

with Democracy. We need to change that.

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. Ding! That's them in a nutshell. I wouldn't buy a used toaster from these people.

[MADem]

19. The pipeline takes about six month, from the lottery drawing to the first poor sucker being spit

out, ready to fight!

And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?

[mac2]

10. Bush doesn't want to win this war. He wants to profit and

take away democracy in the world (using it and 911...terrorism). His robbery or our treasury and power procedes. PNAC.

If they don't impeach then they are part of the criminal gang taking advantage of us.

[alfredo]

15. To build a free market system democracy has to be destroyed. The

two cannot coexist.

[mac2]

23. Sweden did it.

They had a Social Democracy with Capitalism.

"Free market" as they use it today is Fascism and tyranny. There is nothing "free" about it. Other countries look out for their own but not us. Our government encourages robbery via "privatization and cronyism".

It is slavery,corruption, and greed...not "free" at all. So as you say..."Free market" (as defined by globalists) can not exist with democracy. People will not put up with it in the end. They need their freedom and choices.

Allowing huge international monopolies destroys competition, innovation, and progress. Russia under Communist style rule can tell you that.

No matter what the government type rule (Communist, Monarchy, Democracy, Socialism,etc.) corruption in high places will bring down a society and their future. Who wants to do business with them?

At one time we had the most trusted stock market in the world...and the wealthiest. Citizens could join with Internet trading ,etc. It was a stock market of the people not just the few elite. It made us strong and wealthy. That has been destroyed with international hiding of funds, lying on financial statements, and Ponzi schemes of profit (Enron) that did not exist.

At the first down turn in the market (caused by Greenspan manipulation of interest rates) under Bush $3-4 Trillion of foreign investment left our market. Greenspan did not want to hurt "the little guy". He did just that. He told them they shouldn't invest if they didn't know what they were doing. Old people lost their life savings.

Words can not explain the type of market we have under this administration except secrecy, slavery, betrayal, and robbery. Democracy seems to have no place in America under the Cons.

[alfredo]

31. The free market as it is promoted through the Chicago school is

incompatible with Democracy. That is the definition of a free market that is promoted by the bush junta.

[mac2]

34. Yes.

[Bucky]

28. Breaking point of the army is a policy discussion for a democracy, not a state secret

He didn't give away a secret. Giving away a secret would be something like identifying a CIA agent's name or something.