WOW that 60 Minutes report on Gore was horrific

[underpants]

Why in the world would she even bring up 2000? Okay we all know what really happened she does too but that has nothing to do with Gore's current efforts? The same applies to whether or not he will run again... unless you are trying to cast this back into the lazy confines of the black-white world of insider DC politico "news reporting" such as it has become in the last 20 years.

Leslie Stahl seemed to think it was relevant to mention the gossip about Al after the 2000 election. Is this E! television?

The most absurd part was the "20% more energy than the average American home" in reference to the Gore's home in Nashville. She sites that he "was criticized" and we see that the FoxNews/talkradio op-ed as news strategy has worked at least in Leslie Stahl's world. You can find the debunking of this story on the wed, since it is so weak it was quite easy, but even without the particulars the most evident points are
-it is an 18 room house of course it will have higher usage than the "average" house

-they were upgrading it....is Stahl aware of how those machines work??? Hint: on electricity

Despite all this Al, as usual, stayed above the fray which is not hard to do when you are right.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. don't worry about the likes of Stahl

1/2 brain cell

[Radio_Lady]

3. Leslie Stahl is a gifted television journalist. You may wish to quibble with her questions, but

her brain is very active. I had the pleasure of working with her on the 1972 Presidential primary in Florida, and interviewed her a couple of times in Boston.

I suggest you get to know more about her with on this very interesting website, about Women on Women.

http://www.wowowow.com



Her entry is at:

http://www.wowowow.com/post/on-60-minutes-still-a-chance-al-gore-might-enter-presidential-race

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Jim Sagle]

7. Actually this thread is not about Leslie Stahl's careerism, it's about how she brought tabloid

values to a serious interview of a serious man about a serious subject.

The fact that a lesser-known colleague of hers who might need a reference would put in a good word for her is unsurprising and uninteresting, although it does demonstrate a brassy devotion to career management, especially in an inappropriately public albeit inattentive venue like this one.

And of course she's hawt! and that's what counts. As for global warming, that's so policy-based. Borrrringggg!!!!!

[Radio_Lady]

11. Wow! Is that a mouthful of gibberish? Tabloid values? Would you please innumerate those for me?

Wake up, Mr. Sagle. I'm going to read the transcript from CBS (if and when it's posted) and try to understand WTF you are trying to say.

Also, I don't appreciate your "dissing" ME if that's what you tried to do with all your dangling participles.

No problem. I've been hearing from the likes of you for years. Stand up for an interviewer's choice of questions and you're likely to be the next broadcaster to get broadsided, with an emphasis on the BROAD....

Your salacious comments plus your screen name lead me to believe you're a MALE, so it goes double for you.

WOMEN interviewers have to be twice as careful about looking "hawt"???? Maybe Mike Wallace should have interviewed him, right?

Thank you and good night.

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[Jim Sagle]

15. Got my name wrong right off the ol' bat. What a news pro you are, haw haw haw..

[Radio_Lady]

19. Corrected the one stroke typo, Mr Sagle. Thanks. Haw-haw-haw...

Everything else about my response stands. PS. Where did I say I was a "news pro"? Wrong... but it's really unimportant in your universe.

PS. One of my broadcasting professors was Mr Paul Nagel at the University of Miami. Guess it was storaged in my old brain somewhere.

[PSPS]

22. Don't let them get to you, RL

DU just ain't what it used to be, is it?

[Radio_Lady]

55. PSPS, this is a piece of cake compared to attacks I've had to field over the years.

I sincerely hope the Democratic Underground resumes its positive features after this flame-war of a primary season. It has fulfilled many -- maybe most -- of my expectations. Those decisions will be made by Skinner and others.

Since 1957, I've been through so many extraordinary situations in my long media career. I remember the first few days when we integrated black and white children on our TV program in Miami, Florida. That was really a difficult time. The co-host and myself had to endure a great deal of very venomous mail, telephone calls, and even a couple of death threats. Thanks for your kind comments. Cordially, Radio Lady Ellen

First publicity shot January 1957


Twins' Day -- Integrated audience


Publicity for the first woman talk show host at CBS in Boston


In front of the Museum of Television and Radio, New York City 2006

[Jim Sagle]

23. And a mighty fine job he did.

[Radio_Lady]

53. Who did what to whom?

Jim, I've been off on personal business all day today, but don't want to miss a minute of your media enthusiasm.

What's new?

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Jim Sagle]

61. Prof. Nagel, of course. He did a mighty fine job of educamating you.

[ZenKitty]

31. I would wager that the man

pictured underneath your screen name would be quite offended, as am I, with the "crafty" discourse you employ. It's quite sad actually.

[SpiralHawk]

36. Back to JO & Grammar school for you, Ms. Radio Lady

The word you do not know, but want is enumerate.

Grammer school will teach you that innumerate means "lacking a basic knowledge of mathematics and arithmetic."

JO school will teach you that, no matter how smart she might be, Stahl sucked up and the re-spewed the Faux News republicon propaganda to subtly undermine Gore by repeating a lie.

By the way, have you stopped beating your children?

[Berry Cool]

38. And J-school would teach you that you can't spell it "grammar" in your header

and "grammer" in the body of your text.

Ten points deducted for bad proofreading. :-)

[SpiralHawk]

39. Only 10 points off? That still gives me a 90...

Joining Radio Lady in the corner wearing Dunce Cap

[Radio_Lady]

51. UPDATE: None of you got this one! I completely misspelled Ms. Stahl's first name, which is Lesley.

As a matter of fact, after reading through many of the 244 PAGES of responses at CBS.com on Ms Lesley Stahl's interview of Mr Gore last night... I'm kind of glad to rise above this extraordinary (BWAAAAAA) discussion.

I have nothing to prove. I'm really not going on to pursue this. Everyone has chosen up sides and that's OK.

Consider it a fitting end to an endless controversy fielded by "60 Minutes" on 3/30. It has become pretty boring even by 3/31.

Thanks for your participation in this exchange.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Radio_Lady]

59. SpiralHawk, your final comment duly noted and reported.

Typographical errors abounded last night. I apologize for the mix-up.

But your slice-and-dice ending comment is ugly, unnecessary, and unacceptable.

Good night and good luck.

RL

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. but ofcourse she is paid to say that

[Anexio]

14. 36 years ago

Snore....

You knew Stahl 36 years ago and that makes you an expert on her today.

She's a fossil. 1972, LOL!

[Radio_Lady]

17. Yeah. Probably before you were born, Anexio. How'd you do in history class?

Do you think your own parents are stupid? That's usually the next step in adolescence...

Everything important happened in this world just because you were born, Anexio. Question authority, and don't believe anybody over 30! Hey, I've got kids who probably would have agree with you in the 1980s -- only now, they're in their 40s and they have kids of their own who are so smart.

Nobody ever knew anybody or kept in touch or thought about anything in the 1970s or the rest of the decades leading up to tonight that might be germaine to this conversation in 2008.

Have fun at your keg party next weekend!

[Anexio]

48. Party!

Dood, let me put down my Girls Gone Wild DVD and my bong long enough to respond...

Your original comments about what a quality person Leslie Stahl are irrelevant to me. I don't think briefly meeting a person thirty-six years ago gives you any kind of inside knowledge regarding them as a person or their qualities as a journalist. You're defense of her is admirable but I wish you could have come up with some facts about her credibility as a journalist and not a bunch of touchy feely stuff about what a good person she is.

The fossil comment was just a bite of lemon after the tequila shot and I could have left it out.

[Radio_Lady]

60. Please call me "Dudette" -- ask Whisp about that. I like that name.

In broadcasting, you meet and greet a lot of people.

You may not "know" them, but you observe their work over the years. These are my opinions about these woman based on literally hundreds of hours of watching them or listening to them, and perhaps even interviewing them at their work.

If you want facts about Lesley (yes, that is the correct spelling) Stahl, you can find them on Google. I am observing her general abilities to speak authoritatively, sound cogent on the subject she is discussing, and finish the interview without some abrupt comment that causes the interview to break down on the subject at hand. While it's wonderful if a woman also looks "hot" -- really, folks, I'll leave that to Jim Sagle and others to discuss.

A very few of the women now working in radio and TV predate my entry into broadcasting in 1957. Many others came after me. For example, Barbara Walters, who worked at NBC when I did in the 1960s, a woman who has persevered through any number of ups and downs. All the things that were thrown at me and Barbara -- we working women have to survive.

What you probably don't realize is that broadcasting was a TOTALLY MALE DOMINATED terrain for years. Women has to fight all kinds of prejudice and stupidity just to be heard and seen!

Hey, maybe I'm still just happy as hell when ANY intelligent woman gets a chance to do an important interview on the national scene.

As for Lesley, it is intriguing that today -- just about as many people think she did a good job on the interview as are faulting her for being "right wing." That's just about perfect!

Next time, leave out the lemon and we'll both drink the tequila in better fashion. But you get the worm....

Cordially,

Radio Lady

[Anexio]

64. You're a good sport

Radio_Lady, that was a super post and I wish you had written that a couple of days ago, it might have prevented the crap storm you managed endured with some pretty good class.

I'll take your advice and look up Lesley Stahl and learn a little bit about her. No harm in that.

Thanks again for that post. I didn't think you'd be back to this thread so I respect the fact that you did.

Take care and nice to meet you.

[Radio_Lady]

65. Hey, Anexio, thanks for the post. Gotta run now... we've just put a hold on a new (smaller)

house and I'm up to my ass in alligators... gotta drain the swamp!

Cordially,

RL

[peacetalksforall]

24. I thought she did a rotten, snotty job on this interview with Al and Tipper.

It was CBS at their darkest strata (again) tonight.

[earth mom]

32. You're wrong. Stahl was hideous & was digging for dirt on Gore.

She also said that Gore lost in 2000. :wtf:

Stahl needs to get a clue. The election in 2000 was STOLEN. :grr:

[Frank Cannon]

37. I actually have more respect for this prostitute than for Leslie Stahl

This woman was also very successful in her career. And at least when she sold herself, it didn't help bring about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

[opihimoimoi]

2. She seems to be part of the Cool Aide Team.....mission: Denigrate a Great Man

[Radio_Lady]

5. If she hadn't asked him any "difficult" questions, you would have accused her of

just lobbing him "softball" questions. (Like Larry King gets accused of all the time...)

Nevermind.

I'm seeing it with 35 years of broadcasting background as a radio personality and I understand the problems more than an average person. See you guys later...

Respectfully,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[alfredo]

8. She showed how he picked himself up from that experience. By showing

him as a funny, smart, and courageous man, she gave us a real contrast between what we have and what we should have.

[Radio_Lady]

10. Right. That's exactly how I saw it! I waited all day to see this interview.

No way to say there was any disappointment in it.

[alfredo]

16. One went on to be loved around the world, the other went on to be a

war criminal. One deserved the peace prize, the other deserves the Hague.

[opihimoimoi]

28. We are of the same thoughts re Gore....I just happen to think she coulda asked better questions re

Global Changes/etc....

Gore is the HERO

Bush is the ZERO

[alfredo]

41. I think she was more into showing how he picked himself up and

found a new way to serve.

[opihimoimoi]

43. OK...I agree...but, the concern is the immediate Future and what we can do

that will impact as opposed to bandaids...that was missing or maybe I missed it...

[alfredo]

44. That's what his new ad campaign addresses.

[orleans]

63. i was so glad to hear that she mentioned the supreme court.

but just before that quote she says something about his "defeat" in 2000

i look at it like he was robbed, rather than defeated.

"2000 was when he won the popular vote but lost the presidency when the supreme court ruled in favor of george bush."

[earth mom]

33. Oh puhleze. You're the media expert?

No wonder the corporate media is such a mess. :eyes:

[Radio_Lady]

52. No clue who this is addressed to...

My comments about The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[earth mom]

62. Your holier than thou attitude is why I posted what I did.

Sure, feel free to point fingers at me, when you're the one who refuses to be honest about the hatchet job Stahl did on Gore just because you're a fan or friend of Stahls.

As someone who works in media, you should know that impartiality better serves journalists and the media as a whole. Not to mention the public.

The fact that the media is completely biased and slanted these days is one of the main reasons this country is in the mess it's in.

The public is no longer given the truth, but rather given propaganda, bias and disinformation that serves not the people, but corporations and the rethuglican party.

To perpetuate that behavior yourself as part of the media, is wrong and a disservice to those radio listeners who place trust in you.



I find it amazing that instead of being honest and impartial, you decide to use the motto "The Golden Rule" as some sort of attack on me.

Instead of reflecting on YOUR part in the media propaganda, bias and disinformation campaign.

You want to talk The Golden Rule? Ethics?

Well YOU and the rest of the media should start by behaving with the utmost of integrity and impartiality at every opportunity.

Being a fan or friend of Leslie Stahls is a poor and highly unethical reason to defend her hatchet job on Gore.




BTW, it's funny how so many on this board don't get that my user name is a total in your face to the powers that be and their complete lack of ethics.

But hey, it's much easier and more fun to attack me and my user name personally! :eyes:

[Me.]

4. Seriously

I could hardly take my eyes off that clown make-up to pay attention to her report. Dick Cheney a credible source? She needs to head back to the circus.

[Radio_Lady]

6. I didn't even notice the make-up! What does that have to do with anything?

She asked the Cheney question rather tongue-in-cheek... not in hostility.

I thought it was a moment of humor.

Give it a break.

[Me.]

12. Clearly We Saw Different Interviews

Her tone was noticeably condescending and as for the make-up, you're right, it shouldn't have been a focus but was done so badly that it was.

[Radio_Lady]

57. Lesley Stahl needed a better foundation color to cover spots;

she could also have used a lighter-colored lipstick.

We saw the same interview, but we interpreted it differently.

Thanks for your comments.

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Radio_Lady]

9. The interview got out some new information about Al Gore and his pursuits.

Nothing wrong with the interview.

I thought he and Tipper were quite charming and I have no quibble about anything that was said.

You folks want to stick a fork into Leslie -- or Al -- or something.

Maybe I can't figure it out without talking to underpants.... Horrible?

:sarcasm:

[Occulus]

18. I didn't see the interview, Radio Lady...

...so, I can't comment on the actual substance of the piece. However, the mere fact that the whole home/power use thing was even brought up makes me suspicious.

The only way to resolve those suspicions, of course, is to watch the interview myself. Since I may not be able to do that until tomorrow, when it's on YouTube (or perhaps even now, but I'll refrain from checking for the moment), I'll just ask you: in what context was the question about his home's power use asked?

The reason why I'm asking is because any time the subject is raised, particularly when on television or radio, the myths are brought back to mind. Did he unequivocally dispel any non-facts that might be floating around? Did the structure of her question allow him to respond in a way that would dispel the myths floating around "out there"? I think maybe some of the antagonism you've experienced on this thread is due to that: it's been debunked a number of times, but simply bringing his home's power usage to mind invokes all the criticism on that subject all over again. I've gotten a sense on this thread that people are miffed because the questions were even raised, no matter how legitimate they are, or are not.

I know, from reading your posts for years, that you have quite a bit of experience in broadcast media. What sort of editorial control does the interviewer have in a segment like this one (especially one in Stahl's position, and in particular in an interview such as this one)? Does such an interviewer have sole control over the questions and their order, or do 'suggestions' come down from on high, as it were? Is such an interviewer likely, or even able, to ask very hard or perhaps difficult questions? Is there a sense of "keep the viewer/listener watching/listening", even (or perhaps, especially) when the questions that might be asked tend in a dry and/or boring direction?

How would you have structured the questions I just asked you? :D

[Radio_Lady]

20. ...

Wish I could give you a blow-by-blow answer right now, but I can't.

I'm on deadline with some other work and going to watch HBO's "John Adams".

Talk soon...

I'll PM you when I am able. Others may think this is a cop-out, but so be it.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[lutefisk]

21. Here's a link to the video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/27/60minutes/main3974389.shtml

[Radio_Lady]

56. That was very helpful, Herbster. Thanks so much.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[lutefisk]

66. Pleased to be of service, R.L. . . . n/t

:hi:

[silverojo]

25. Though I realize this jackass was out to discredit Gore...

...there is one thing people should take notice of. Why the hell does he NEED an 18-room house, if he intends to reduce energy consumption? He and Tipper would have to be breeding like rabbits to require a house of that size, LOL.

[Maat]

26. I may have a clue as to why he needs the big house.

We have a six-bedroom house, and I'm very concerned about the environment. We've made major changes in our lives; we both now drive hybrids, and use 1/4 of the gasoline we used to. We use solar energy for part of our energy needs, recycle, have cut out the use of most paper and plastic products, and we bring our own reusable bags shopping. We use CFL lightbulbs in our lights.

That having been said, we run computer-related businesses out of the house (do our share of the work out of the house), we homeschool (due to our child's unique needs), and we have guests stay overnight.

Al does the same, plus he has to have secret service protection (hence, I'm told, the need for the armored SUVs, which are hybrids - you can't armor my Prius really).

This is just a guess as to reasons for the large home.

Despite my large home, I've been able to make major reductions in our negative impact upon the environment. I've put in landscaping that needs a minimum amount of water.

We are going to get more solar panels soon.

As for the interview, I enjoyed it, but Leslie Stahl was a bit snotty. The Gores handled it the whole thing very well.

[AZ Criminal JD]

27. Secret Service protection??

Former vice-presidents don't get secret service protection. Just the former presidents and their spouses for 10 years. So no, he doesn't need armored SUVs. Why does anyone need a 18 room house? What new excuse are you going to make?

[DainBramaged]

34. Why does anyone need a 18 room house?

Why does anyone have the right to deny them that if they choose to live there??

Does everyone have to live in a rabbit cage??

If they can live there with a degree of energy efficiency, no matter what part of the country they live in, why shouldn't they have the right to enjoy the space??

Taking guest bedrooms and bathrooms into account, and then a kitchen and maybe even the living room and Al's Library/office, should they just chop the rest of the house off to satisfy the jealous screed of those who think that wearing sack cloth and riding a bicycle is the pathway to eco-heaven?

I live in a TINY 5 room house, TINY. One of those rooms is a bathroom. I wish I had more room. If anyone wanted to or could afford that size of house, it isn't my right to question them, only try and be more efficient myself.

This is still America damn it, not the former Soviet union, and if you feel that those with larger houses are unworthy, lets hear about your efforts to be an eco-hero.

God I hate it when people who think they can impose their "lifestyles" on others attack those who have shown they can lead us with example and not just words.

[BuelahWitch]

45. .

:yourock: :applause:

[Maat]

58. I agree.

I live in a big house, but, if I can make sure that our energy consumption is the same or less than when we lived in the smaller house, then I'm doing a good job saving the environment.

I'm taking steps now to get more solar panels, and to increase our insulation efficiency.

[AZ Criminal JD]

67. I don't care if Gore has a house the size of Tennessee

I was replying to the poster who implied Gore had a big house and SUVs for his "secret service " protection. Almost as if he was forced to have these things. He has those things because he wants them and has made a decision to have them no matter what impact they have on the eco-system. More power to him.

[Maat]

54. In your opinion ....

I know that he has security equivalent to secret service protection, and has appropriate vehicles for that security. I certainly don't blame him for that.

[RayOfHope]

50. At least he is making that house energy efficient.

The house is a close to 100 year old farmhouse, if I remember correctly. By living in an old home he's recycling, so to speak. He's also making huge efforts to make it more energy efficient, something another owner might not do. Its not as simple as 'he's living in a huge house'.

[Elspeth]

29. Is it possible that Stahl's questions allowed Gore to

directly answer what has been going around as innuendo? Sometimes, it is helpful to bring up the "gossip" to let the good guy shoot it down with a great answer. I have a feeling that is what went on here. And I'll bet the Gores knew in advance.

I still wish the guy were running for prez, but that's another story...

[lildreamer316]

35. ...which makes me wonder why it was brought up for a different reason.

the reason you stated...it was helpful to bring up the 'gossip' to let him shoot it down.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
;)

[riverdeep]

30. Just be glad it wasn't Katie Couric.

Katie: Like, when you and Tipper kissed a really long time, that was so, like, gross and everything.

Gore: Well, Katie, I can assure you that we...

Katie: And, you didn't even win your own state, right? You're, like, so sad.



Seriously, CBS broadcasts to everyone, not just to those sympathetic to DU; they have to bring up issues that critics have, legitimate or not. As long as the guest has a fair chance to answer them, not an issue. The interview was actually quite flattering, especially for a network news show.

[ShaneGR]

40. Stop omplaining when our guys don't get softball questions.... nt

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

42. i gave up on leslie stahl in the eighties when she took over Face the Nation

her first guest - Boy George.

[Javaman]

46. gossip society.

real content no longer matters or gets ratings, they want dirt and scandel.

[Uncle Joe]

47. One thing they never mentioned, the house was 80 years old,

and was already using more energy than your average house. The Gore's brought it up to date and made it far more energy efficient.

I don't believe it's logical, feasible or warranted to bull doze every older home and build new, more energy efficient ones from scratch.

[underpants]

49. Right that was another obvious point that her RW talking points glossed over

:eyes: what an embarassment we have become