This is why John McCain is so confident that Americans want to stay in Iraq for 100 years

[whistle]

:wtf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtXnorRHrDc&feature=related

It looks like a training camp for Cheney Youth

[Lasher]

1. Cheney Youth.

:rofl:

[screembloodymurder]

5. I hope they all enlist.

so we can send em to Iraq.

[MercutioATC]

2. Fer chrissakes, it's just a shoot...

Try it sometime...you may actually enjoy it.

[spanone]

4. yea, all kids should have equal access to machine guns

:sarcasm:

[MercutioATC]

6. I don't see the issue with it...

Sure, if the targets were man-shaped and had turbans on them, the OP would have an argument. They don't.

There is a gun culture in this country and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Granted, I didn't start him until he was 12, but I've exposed my son to shooting as a child. He enjoys it and he's actually a decent shot.

It's this kind of knee-jerk anti-gun sentiment that turns off a lot of people who otherwise agree with Dem principles.

[whistle]

8. I just figured watching the video would be sufficient in making the point...

...and it seems to have been

:yoiks:

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Once more we must look into the past for a clue to what is happening here and now....

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer


But Then It Was Too Late
"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
<snip>....

more at above link

[whistle]

9. Yep...summed up nicely in the final paragraph...

..."Once the war began, the government could do anything ‘necessary’ to win it; so it was with the ‘final solution of the Jewish problem,’ which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its ‘necessities’ gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it. The people abroad who thought that war against Hitler would help the Jews were wrong. And the people in Germany who, once the war had begun, still thought of complaining, protesting, resisting, were betting on Germany’s losing the war. It was a long bet. Not many made it."

[damntexdem]

7. Ooh, cool! Where do I get to do it?

Would we get hand granades, too?

;-)