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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:32 PM
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Did anyone hear what Olbermann said about Mukasey saying before 9/11 "we knew.......
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 07:46 PM by seemslikeadream
government knowing about 9/11?

Before the 2001 terrorist attacks, he said, "we knew that there had been a call
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:36 PM
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1. You mean that the Attorney General of the United States admits that BushCo
...knew 9/11 was about to happen and did nothing to stop it? That sounds like LIHOP, but I still believe that BushCo was guilty of MIHOP, yes indeed!
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:37 PM
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2. I heard it.
I am trying to look for something now. Something about Mukasey saying something about knowing about a phone call about 911 before 911.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:37 PM
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3. here it is
Before the 2001 terrorist attacks, he said, "we knew that there had been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan and we knew that it came to the United States. We didn't know precisely where it went. You've got 3,000 people who went to work that day, and didn't come home, to show for that."

Mukasey did not specify the call to which he referred. He also did not explain why the government, if it knew of telephone calls from suspected foreign terrorists, hadn't sought a wiretapping warrant from a court established by Congress to authorize terrorist surveillance, or hadn't monitored all such calls without a warrant for 72 hours as allowed by law. The Justice Department did not respond to a request for more information.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/28/BA69VROE9.DTL
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:54 PM
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15. perhaps it wasn't TRANSLATED in time. Paging Sibel Edmonds!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:01 PM
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17. 3/31/08 Countdown transcript

3/31/08
And number one: Mukasey said what-gate? Almost ignored in the coverage of his speech to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco pleading for telecom immunity, Attorney General Michael Mukasey also said, quote, “Before 9/11, that‘s the call that we didn‘t know about. We knew there has been a call from someplace that was known to be a safe house in Afghanistan, and we knew that it came to the United States, we didn‘t know precisely where it went.”

What? The government knew about some call from the safe house in Afghanistan into the U.S. about 9/11, before 9/11, and even though it had the same FISA courts and the same right to act against international targets in 2001 as it has does now, they didn‘t do anything about it?

Well, this would seem to leave only two options, either the attorney general just admitted that the government for he works is guilty of malfeasance complicity of the 9/11 attacks or he‘s lying.

I‘m betting on lying. If not, somebody in Congress better put that man under oath right quick. You could send them to Gitmo I suppose.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23906974/
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:15 PM
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21. Thanks and here's the video
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:37 PM
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22. and Thank You!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:37 PM
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4. Send him to Gitmo
LOL.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:39 PM
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5. Yes I did
KO said he was leaning towards believing that mukcrazy is lying
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:41 PM
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6. He was giving a speech in San Fran, I think, and claimed
there was a phone call from Afghanistan to the US about 9/11 before 9/11. So KO was wondering if the US and Mukasey was complicit in covering this up or whether Mukasey was lying.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:51 PM
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10. maybe Mukasey will use the Clinton defense
misspoke
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:08 PM
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11. "I don't recall" is also an option. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:35 PM
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27. Jesus! Don't you people ever stop with the Hillary slams? How did this relate to Sen Clinton?
:eyes:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:43 PM
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7. According to KO, here is the precise Mukasey quote...
Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 07:45 PM by Fridays Child
"Before 9-11, that's the call that we didn't know about. We knew there had been a call from someplace that was known to be a safehouse in Afghanistan, and we knew that it came to the United States. We didn't know precisely where it went."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:45 PM
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8. Olbermann said there's only two choices Mukasey is lying or............
:rofl:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:25 PM
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25. But it was an innocent message....well, actually, "Bin Laden determined to attack in US"...
so, mostly harmless.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:31 AM
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43. Innocent message. Just something about a "Big Wedding" and a "perfect match"? nt
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:31 PM
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26. The Able Danger...
guys probably knew. :shrug:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:50 PM
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9. Worst person in the World
is a shinning example why faux has no credibility and
neither does that Governor- Hillary supporters should take note
Keith named at least 7-10 lies and slams, faux has done against Hillary.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:23 PM
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12. We knew tons
We knew tons before 9/11, which is one reason why we need a real investigation, to find out what we really knew and why nothing was done about it.

I recommend everyone interested in the subject read the 9/11 timeline.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_timeline_key_warnings

In a true democracy with a real fourth estate things like David Schipper, Able Danger, Robert Wright would all be household names.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg

Late July 2001 (B): David Schippers, noted conservative Chicago lawyer and the House Judiciary Committee's chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial, later claims that FBI agents in Chicago and Minnesota contact him around this time and tell him that a terrorist attack is going to occur in lower Manhattan. According to Schippers, the agents had been developing extensive information on the planned attack for many months. However, the FBI soon pulls them off the terrorist investigation and threatens them with prosecution under the National Security Act if they go public with the information. As a result, they contact Schippers hoping he can persuade the government to take action. Schippers tries to pass the information on to high government officials, but apparently his efforts are ignored. Partly in conjunction with Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm, Schippers is now representing at least ten FBI agents in a suit against the US government in an attempt to have their testimony subpoenaed, which would enable them to legally tell what they know without going to jail.

http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Wright,Robert.shtml
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:34 PM
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13. I suspect that Busholini & his Regime knew that an attack was
coming & did nothing to thwart it or warn the airlines to be on full alert.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:11 PM
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20. Do you know that Paul Thompson post here at DU?
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 06:11 PM by seemslikeadream
Usually in the 9/11 forum.


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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:21 PM
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24. No I didn't
But thanks for pointing it out. Thompson's work was what got David Ray Griffin interested in 9/11, and he is considered one of the leading thinkers on this subject.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:36 PM
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28. Here's the link
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 07:45 PM by seemslikeadream
It's a little contentious down there we call it the dungeon come by sometime,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:23 AM
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38. I do
And I just made a post about this Mukasey thing in another thread. I'll repeat it here:

I can't believe how little people know, to get all excited about what Mukasey said. There were TONS of intercepted calls relating to the 9/11 attacks before 9/11. The details about them are generally very classified, but for instance, all through the summer of 2001 and up to the day before the attack, the NSA intercepted calls between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM), the 9/11 mastermind, and Mohamed Atta, the lead 9/11 hijacker. They knew KSM was a major al-Qaeda figure, and he already had a $2 million reward on his head. How could you not stop the attacks just from that alone?

But there's more. Here's just a sampling of some of the monitored phone calls in my 9/11 timeline:

Early 2000-Summer 2001: NSA Intercepts Communications between Hijackers in US and Al-Qaeda Communications Hub
The NSA intercepts approximately 14 calls between the hijackers in the US and an al-Qaeda communications hub in Sana’a, Yemen, run by Ahmed al-Hada, who is hijacker Khalid Almihdhar’s father in law (see August 5-25, 1998).
The first calls are made by Almihdhar and are intercepted during the spring and summer of 2000 (see Spring-Summer 2000).
More calls are made by hijacker Nawaf Alhazmi after the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000 (see Mid-October 2000-Summer 2001).
The final call from the US is intercepted just a few weeks before 9/11 (see (August 2001)).
The NSA intercepted the hijackers’ calls outside the US before this (see Early 1999 and December 29, 1999) and continues to do so in 2000 (see Summer 2000) after Almihdhar returns to Yemen (see June 10, 2000 and (Mid-June-Mid-July 2000)). Some of the calls may only contain non-operational information, as they are between Almihdhar and his wife. (9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 17; Suskind, 2006, pp. 94; Wright, 2006, pp. 343) However, the calls are also used to relay messages to the 9/11 hijackers. (Embassy of Yemen (Washington), 2/13/2002; MSNBC, 2/14/2002; MSNBC, 5/2005) The CIA is the lead agency monitoring the communications hub. It has planted bugs inside the house and is wiretapping all calls (see Late August 1998). Intercepts of calls to and from the hub are a major plank of the US intelligence community’s effort to fight al-Qaeda. Also involved is the FBI, which is using phone records to plot these calls on a map (see Late 1998-Early 2002). Some of the calls intercepted by US intelligence come from bin Laden’s satellite phone in Afghanistan (see August 5-25, 1998 and Late August 1998). After 9/11, counterterrorism officials will say that the number was one of the hottest targets being monitored by the NSA and was an “intelligence bonanza.” (Los Angeles Times, 12/21/2005; Wright, 2006, pp. 343) Also after 9/11, counterterrorism officials will agree that the failure to follow leads to the US from this number was a huge missed opportunity to stop the plot. For instance, FBI agent Kenneth Maxwell will say: “Two al-Qaeda guys living in California—are you kidding me? We would have been on them like white on snow: physical surveillance, electronic surveillance, a special unit devoted entirely to them.” (MSNBC, 7/21/2004; New Yorker, 7/10/2006) The failure to roll up the plot based on these communications intercepts will be discussed following 9/11 (see Summer 2002-Summer 2004 and 2004 and After).

Summer 2001: NSA Fails to Share Intercepted Information about Calls between Atta and KSM
Around this time, the NSA intercepts telephone conversations between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) and Mohamed Atta, but apparently does not share the information with any other agencies. The FBI has a $2 million reward for Mohammed at the time, while Atta is in charge of operations inside the US. (Knight Ridder, 6/6/2002; Independent, 6/6/2002) The NSA either fails to translate these messages in a timely fashion or fails to understand the significance of what was translated. (Knight Ridder, 6/6/2002) However, it will later be revealed that an FBI squad built an antenna in the Indian Ocean some time before 9/11 with the specific purpose of listening in on KSM’s phone calls, so they may have learned about these calls to Atta on their own (see Before September 11, 2001).

Early September 2001: NSA Intercepts Phone Calls from Al-Qaeda Leader Zubaida to the US
The NSA intercepts “multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden’s chief of operations, to the United States.” The timing and information contained in these intercepted phone calls has not been disclosed. (ABC News, 2/18/2002) In 2007, author and former CIA officer Robert Baer will comment that “apparently, when Abu Zubaida was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16 (see September 16, 2001 and After). There’s nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.” (Time, 12/7/2007) US intelligence had just been warned about a week earlier that Zubaida may be planning an attack on the US (see August 24, 2001). Zubaida’s exact position within al-Qaeda is disputed; he will be captured in 2002 (see March 28, 2002). It appears that a number of Western intelligence agencies were monitoring Zubaida’s calls since at least late 1998 (see October 1998 and After), and continue monitoring his calls in the weeks after 9/11 (see October 8, 2001).

Early September 2001: Bin Laden’s Intercepted Phone Calls Discuss an Operation in the US Around 9/11 Date
According to British inside sources, “shortly before September 11,” bin Laden contacts an associate thought to be in Pakistan. The conversation refers to an incident that will take place in the US on, or around 9/11, and discusses possible repercussions. In another conversation, bin Laden contacts an associate thought to be in Afghanistan. They discuss the scale and effect of a forthcoming operation; bin Laden praises his colleague for his part in the planning. Neither conversation specifically mentions the WTC or Pentagon, but investigators have no doubt the 9/11 attacks were being discussed. The British government has obliquely made reference to these intercepts: “There is evidence of a very specific nature relating to the guilt of bin Laden and his associates that is too sensitive to release.” These intercepts will not be made public in British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s presentation of al-Qaeda’s guilt because “releasing full details could compromise the source or method of the intercepts.” (Sunday Times (London), 10/7/2001)

September 10, 2001: NSA Monitors Call as KSM Gives Mohamed Atta Final Approval to Launch Attacks
Mohamed Atta calls Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) in Afghanistan. KSM gives final approval to Atta to launch the attacks. The specifics of the conversation haven’t been released. (Independent, 9/15/2002) Unnamed intelligence officials later tell Knight Ridder Newspapers that the call is monitored by the NSA, but only translated after the 9/11 attacks. KSM, “using coded language, (gives) Atta final approval” for the attacks. (Knight Ridder, 9/9/2002) NSA monitored other calls between KSM and Atta in the summer of 2001 but did not share the information about this with other agencies (see Summer 2001). Additionally, it will later be revealed that an FBI squad built an antenna in the Indian Ocean some time before 9/11 with the specific purpose of listening in on KSM’s phone calls, so they may have learned about this call to Atta on their own (see Before September 11, 2001).

You can see lots more about how al-Qaeda was thoroughly monitored before 9/11 here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?projects_and_programs=surveillance&timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=0
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:35 AM
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40. Paul, shh, don't you realize you're blowing the whole "reason" behind the "new and improved" FISA ?
I hope other posters don't pass this one by.

Thank you Paul for this post and all of your very important work.

:applause:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:31 AM
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41. Thank you, Paul
For doing what the corporate media will not do: continuing to report the truth about 9/11.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:22 PM
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14. David Schippers had handled the Clinton impeachment prosecution
and had a private law practice defending cowboy FBI agents,
so he had good contacts with the FBI.

Just before 9/11 several FBI guys told him they felt there
were upcoming attacks in lower Manhattan but their supervisors
weren't taking them seriously. They asked Schippers to go
over the supervisors' heads.

Schippers tried to reach Ashcroft, but couldn't get his calls
returned.

Three veteran federal law enforcement agents confirmed to THE NEW AMERICAN that the information provided to Schippers was widely known within the Bureau before September 11th. Because these individuals face possible personal or professional retaliation, they agreed to speak with us on condition of anonymity. Two of them, however, have expressed a willingness to testify before Congress regarding the views they have shared with us.

"I don't buy the idea that we didn't know what was coming," a former FBI official with extensive counter-terrorism experience commented to THE NEW AMERICAN. "Within 24 hours the Bureau had about 20 people identified, and photos were sent out to the news media. Obviously this information was available in the files and somebody was sitting on it." This former FBI agent noted that before Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "Twentieth Hijacker," was detained in Minneapolis, he had undergone flight instruction in Oklahoma, "where we know that Arab terrorist networks have been established for many years."


http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/829


http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2002/True-Believer/


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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:56 PM
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16. "Arab terrorist networks have been established for many years." in OKLAHOMA?!!
hmmm.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:29 AM
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42. Zacarias Moussaooui operated in Oklahama for some time.
McVeigh's John Doe companion might be a middle easterner.

TV Reporter Jayna Davis was investigating possible middle
eastern connections to the OK City bombing, and I've seen
references to quite a sizable colony of Iraqi ex-military
personnel living outside of OK City.

I haven't investigated the issue, but the claim does not
seem impossible on its face.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:28 AM
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39. He also went to Porter Goss, then head of the House Intel committee. It was to a deaf ear.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:08 PM
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18. yes I watched that. nt
:hi:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:11 PM
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19. Sandy Berger told Condi Rice
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 06:11 PM by walldude
that Osama was going to be their biggest problem. He told her Osama is coming you need to stay on top of him... They knew what was up, they let their neo-con disdain for Clinton block any chances of stopping 9/11.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:18 PM
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23. Keith will be talking about it again...
he just said before the commercial. :hi:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:09 PM
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29. So the call originated from....
a "safehouse" in Afghanistan? Doesn't that suggest the call came from a source embedded in Afghanistan? Perhaps a CIA operative? Who else would be staying in what we consider a safehouse?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:17 PM
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30. Olbermann talked about it all again tonight with Rachel Madow
I hope the youtube will be up soon
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:20 PM
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31. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:00 PM
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32. Tonight's Olbermann with Rachel Madow is up on Youtube
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 10:01 PM by seemslikeadream
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:52 PM
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34. that was good
to the point,

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:38 PM
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35. Michael Mukasey's tearful lies
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 11:40 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/29/mukasey/index.html


These are multiple falsehoods here, and independently, this whole claim makes no sense. There is also a pretty startling new revelation here about the Bush administration's pre-9/11 failure that requires a good amount of attention.

Even under the "old" FISA, no warrants are required where the targeted person is outside the U.S. (Afghanistan) and calls into the U.S. Thus, if it's really true, as Mukasey now claims, that the Bush administration knew about a Terrorist in an Afghan safe house making Terrorist-planning calls into the U.S., then they could have -- and should have -- eavesdropped on that call and didn't need a warrant to do so. So why didn't they? Mukasey's new claim that FISA's warrant requirements prevented discovery of the 9/11 attacks and caused the deaths of 3,000 Americans is disgusting and reckless, because it's all based on the lie that FISA required a warrant for targeting the "Afghan safe house." It just didn't. Nor does the House FISA bill require individual warrants when targeting a non-U.S. person outside the U.S.

Independently, even if there had been a warrant requirement for that call -- and there unquestionably was not -- why didn't the Bush administration obtain a FISA warrant to listen in on 9/11-planning calls from this "safe house"? Independently, why didn't the administration invoke FISA's 72-hour emergency warrantless window to listen in on those calls? If what Muskasey said this week is true -- and that's a big "if" -- his revelation about this Afghan call that the administration knew about but didn't intercept really amounts to one of the most potent indictments yet about the Bush administration's failure to detect the plot in action. Contrary to his false claims, FISA -- for multiple reasons -- did not prevent eavesdropping on that call.

Mukasey was even more dishonest in demanding amnesty for lawbreaking telecoms. According to today's admiring Wall St. Journal Editorial, this is what Mukasey said on that subject:

The AG also addressed why immunity from lawsuits is vital for the telecom companies that cooperated with the surveillance after 9/11. "Forget the liability" the phone companies face, Mr. Mukasey said. "We face the prospect of disclosure in open court of what they did, which is to say the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence against foreign targets." Al Qaeda would love that.
Mike Mukasey was a long-time federal judge and so I feel perfectly comfortable calling that what it is: a brazen lie. Federal courts hear classified information with great regularity and it is not heard in "open court." There are numerous options available to any federal judge to hear classified information -- closed courtrooms, in camera review (in chambers only), ex parte communications (communications between one party and the judge only). No federal judge -- and certainly not Vaughn Walker, the Bush 41 appointee presiding over the telecom cases -- is going to allow "disclosure in open court of . . . . the means and the methods by which we collect foreign intelligence." And Mukasey knows that.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:49 PM
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33. Kick
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:50 AM
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36. Can't rec for some reason, although I know this thread was started Tuesday night
...but I heard it too, and as far as I'm concerned it just adds to the pile of evidence that shows BushCo actively ignored the warnings that 9-11 was going to happen.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:59 AM
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37. Yep. And this makes the Dungeon (RE MIHOP) now worth of
discussion in GE

Don't count on it, but he either is a moron, or admitted to MIHOP

Now will Congress investigate? Yeah right.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:46 PM
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44. Another kick-LIHOP
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:44 PM
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45. Kicked and bookmarked!
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