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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:10 PM Original message |
Autism, vaccines, recovery from autism, lies of the media |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, for cripes sake. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Heh heh heh |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I agree |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
228. We have a pandemic of children with brain disorders. 1 in 6 are so afflicted |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #228 |
291. i am really tired of mindless self righteous arrogance assholes like the first 3 to reply, i am |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #228 |
341. RIGHT ON RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. The flu kills more children than all other "diseases" we vax against combined |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Yeah, we tend not to see certain fatal childhood illnesses anymore because we vaccinate against them |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Sorry Varkam, I've gone back decades and looked at the stats. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Do those fingers feel good in your ears? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You'd have to look in the mirror |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Well I'm rubber and you're glue. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I haven't checked into the health forum as of late. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
231. But we see a tremendous increase in brain illnesses |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #231 |
282. No we don't. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
232. Trading those diseases and replacing them with brain diseases |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #232 |
283. As far as I am aware... |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
234. And if you live in the U.S. your kid has a much better chance of getting autism |
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lizerdbits (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #234 |
240. I don't see vaccines mentioned there |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #240 |
255. Mercury is a neurotoxin. Ethylmercury is a neurotoxin. So is aluminum |
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lizerdbits (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:30 PM Original message |
Just about anything will be toxic in a high enough dose |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
284. Yes. We're talking micrograms, here. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #284 |
332. its different in a developing brain, naysayer, the toxins are "Incorporated" into the neurological |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #255 |
293. tons of Uranium/mercury.. are dumped by the coal fire power plants.>>Link>> |
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ovidsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #234 |
278. On the contrary |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #278 |
307. Autism has increased dramatically |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #307 |
343. EXACTLY!! We're controlled by corporations! |
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kimmerspixelated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
342. Well, look up the origins of "Polio" |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
360. More clever wording,.,. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Were vaccines "wonderful" for these families? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
285. Want to guess how many deaths we'd have without vaccines? eom |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #285 |
300. You don't need to guess the children ALREADY dead from vaccines. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
52. I think the whole anti-immunizations started |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
77. It's no fun sticking babies |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Is it already time for the next round of this anti-vaccine bullshit? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. It's always time for antivax bullshit |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Indeed. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
207. My Great Grandmother had 11 siblings |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
246. this is what gets me. what was out there. yes i have memory. today, i am realizing what IS out |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
233. You have no clue the number of brain injured children |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
173. Vaccines may be much more dangerous for some genetically susceptible people. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. With our dysfunctional FDA and medical system, I don't know how ANYONE can trust even a flu shot. |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. I've never gotten a flu shot - no way! "maybe" when I am 80 |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
132. I get them every year. I am a transplant and have no choice. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Deleted message |
mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Idiot? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Someone called me an idiot for not injecting an unknown substance into my kid's bodies? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
205. 46, never had flu. two kids 13 and 10 never had flu. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. The one time in my life I had a flu shot I was sicker than EVER before |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thank you for this. It's a good article. nt/ |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. This story shows what can be done when parents have resources |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. One of my beliefs abt national single payer |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. cosmetics are regulated |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. When you go to that page and look up the substances that are prohibited |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
121. Insurance typically won't cover the conventional therapies, either, like |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Glad to see Evan recovered. Gladder to see Evan has parents with a voice... |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. Argh. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Way'at Feron! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Did you read the article? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. very inspiring |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wow! 1 in 58 in England/Ireland?!!! That is insane! |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. IF...repeat...IF..thimeresol were proven to be the cause... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
59. It's been proven over and over again --- |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. And it's been proved over and over again... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. Thermerisol was put into the vaccines simply as a PERSERVATIVE . . . |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
111. And nowadays they don't put the mercury in most vaccines in most places... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #111 |
206. i bet you will also note the increase in mercury in fish and our other foods. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #206 |
220. Actually, I suspect that mercury and other pollutants in food... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. still at that you pit one child against another. still because it benefits another |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #221 |
249. I know we are all important.. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
333. that is no excuse not to fix the problem.. just because it may cost more |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #333 |
344. No, but it's a reason not to reject vaccines as such |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
65. Thimerosal isn't used in most vaccines in the UK... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #65 |
79. I bet it's something else in the modern environment: |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #79 |
334. Everybody discourages trying to find environmental patterns |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Yes, that figure caught my eye, too. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. That quote represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what autism is. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
181. Tell that to the millions of families with ADULTS still suffering from autism. n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. Untrue. This was a false statement in the media. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #64 |
80. YES! That's what I said in my post below |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
86. Simon Baron-Cohen... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
103. Yes, he is his brother (n/t) |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
104. Actually Simon Baron-Cohen is Sacha's cousin |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #86 |
108. Yes, they are cousins. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
14. While I greatly admire McCarthy's devotion to her child's situation. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. McCarthy avoided the word "Cured" - she used the word "Recovery" |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. Only one thing to say |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey gave my kids autism. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
20. There's no link between thimerosal and autism. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Not everyone would agree... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. 1. RFK is not a scientist |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. "There have been no epidemiological studies that have found any connection between thimerosal and |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Show me. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You said there were NO studies. Then you moved the goal posts. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Oh, so studies with significant flaws meet your rigorous standards for data? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Again, not what you said. Every study can be picked apart by those with an agenda. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. You haven't shown me anything. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Sure there are. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Being that I don't have time... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. You keep mentioning the Geier study and asserting it does not exist at the same time. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
127. Just glancing through it quickly... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Quickly - Here is where you said there were no such studies. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #130 |
169. Hoo boy... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. You said there were no epi. studies demonstrating a connection. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #178 |
199. Are you defending the Geier's work in this area? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #199 |
208. Yes, I'm defending Geier. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #208 |
238. Feds study the issue... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #238 |
259. The epi evidence again is a he said she said. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #259 |
274. It's not a he said she said when it comes to the science. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #274 |
280. So I hear! |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #208 |
248. I would've edited, but I was too late: it also appears that there is a major conflict of interest... |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #248 |
251. Will you defend the IOM's Fineberg, Dr. McCormick, and Dr. Stratton? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #251 |
268. Tu quoque. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #251 |
287. Thanks, Pot. Kettle will put you down for a No. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #248 |
258. Unfortunately, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #258 |
269. And you don't think the enormous conflict of interest that the Geiers have... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #269 |
275. No, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. Improper appeal to authority. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. Conflicts of interest surrounding the issue of vaccination are not limited to Geier, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #279 |
281. Tu quoque. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #281 |
286. I'm sorry that you take issue with Mr. Geier. As I've said, the NIH found him credible |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #286 |
288. And, yet again, improper appeal to authority. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. He's testified in over 100 cases, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #290 |
292. Noooo, that's not what they ruled. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #292 |
294. No vaccines, no autism |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #294 |
296. That MtD only occurs in a small subset... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #296 |
297. That doesn't mean that this MtD is the only DNA issue that may |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #297 |
298. You do love those appeals to authority, don't you? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #298 |
301. You merely regurgitated what the "authorities" on the court claimed. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #301 |
312. I wasn't appealing to authority. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #312 |
314. Who are YOU appealing to? Yourself? What are your credentials? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #314 |
315. I was just going on the court transcript and what I know about VICP. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #315 |
323. You clarified after I showed you that your |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #323 |
324. I assumed that it would be understood I was talking about real science. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #324 |
326. Geier is a "real" scientist. Must be why the NIH hired him as well as John's Hopkins? |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #315 |
361. You keep talking.. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #248 |
308. innuendo -- won't do. Support the statement or don't say it |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Remember Varkam, our federal vaccine court just conceeded that there is a link. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You can twist it all you want to, but it still doesn't mean you're telling the truth. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. There is no "further" in vaccine court Varkam. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. "...Parse words and get into semantics on behalf of big pharma all you like..." |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. That's who you are advocating for, so as I've also said |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I just happen to care about science. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. If you cared about science I would not be offended. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
110. That's disingenious. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. I'm glad he |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. Awwww, whassa matter? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Sure, |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #118 |
133. Just a fan of the truth. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Well then, stop reading the thread. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. How about I just stop reading the people who don't back their assertions with valid studies? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. How bout you suspend critical thinking |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Nice link in that post, did you actually try it or just make it up? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Not sure what you mean. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. You didn't write post #127 and your link to the studies in your post #130 doesn't work. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Excuse me my reply to post 127 which is post #130 and I just clicked the link again. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. This is what happens when you click your link in several different browsers. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. There's an extra space in her aforementioned link. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #154 |
183. Some Interesting Stuff There |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #183 |
186. What's more interesting is how that "study" came about. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Ok so the only reliable studies are the ones the support your argument. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:38 AM Response to Reply #187 |
196. Did you even read the particular article that Molly referenced? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #186 |
198. Dr. Simpson could play the CDC role of Dick Cheney. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #198 |
203. Eli Lilly's take on Thimerosal. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #203 |
241. You do realize that you're posing stuff from '99, right? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Of course. You have evidence that Eli Lilly's Position has changed? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. I don't know. I'm not an Eli Lilly spokesperson, despite what you may think. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. It's a Material Safety Data Sheet. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. And again, it's ten years old. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #247 |
250. Lots of more recent MSDS's at the links below. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #250 |
267. You offer testimonials as scientific evidence? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #267 |
295. Reports of lung cancer after smoking were anecdotal at first, too. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #295 |
299. Yeah? Lung cancer has nothing to with this. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #299 |
302. It's analogous to a road once traveled. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #302 |
311. Ug. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #311 |
321. Dozens? You have more than 12 studies disproving a link since 2004? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #321 |
325. Yup. Sure are. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #325 |
328. Where? I read one. And it was a REVIEW. That's not "proof." |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #328 |
329. I really find it amusing that... |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #329 |
331. Ha, I knew you couldn't. eom |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #331 |
335. They're all there in the references of the study I pointed you to. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #335 |
336. No they're not and they only reviewed up to 2004. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #336 |
337. They didn't toss the Geier studies because they disagreed. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #337 |
338. Geier forced a corrigendum from these lying hacks. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #338 |
339. That's a fairly minor point. It has nothing to do with this: |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #339 |
340. I see. Your hyperbole of "dozens" is now downsized to "several." |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #340 |
345. And you have cited zero credible studies, period. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #345 |
346. The burden falls on the CDC to prove their case. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #346 |
347. It's basic logic, bud. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #347 |
348. You fail basic logic, (insert your favorite patronizing term of endearment). |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #348 |
349. . |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #349 |
350. "." Is that your response as to why Mercury is STILL in Shots for Children? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #350 |
351. My, the hysterics! |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #351 |
352. I'll ask again then, why is ANY mercury still in vaccines? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-10-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #352 |
353. Oy... |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #353 |
355. Egad. We actually agree on something. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #355 |
356. There's a mighty big difference between mercury poisioning and autism |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #356 |
357. There are similarities. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #357 |
358. It never ends with you. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 06:44 AM Response to Reply #358 |
359. Nor apparently you. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #359 |
362. Again, do you have a citation? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #362 |
363. See below. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. Again, |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. Link didn't work for me, either. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
144. And you're seeking THAT from the Bush Administration's CDC?!!!! |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
215. The shoe most definitely fits. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
182. That case is incredibly important. No one has been arguing that thimerosal |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
122. but wasn't that due to immune response, not thimerosol? nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
145. The concession was that vaccination triggered autism. The parents, a neurolgist and an RN |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Wrong again. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #151 |
159. YOU'RE wrong |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. Yes, where is the "Could Not Rule Out" part? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Ya got me! |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. You betcha. I wish they'd go ahead and lay their cards on the table. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #168 |
179. Thanks DD. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #179 |
184. Sorry I was playing soccer. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:02 AM Response to Reply #179 |
197. Thanks, Molly. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #168 |
216. Agree with you 100% |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #168 |
261. The legal system has failed to prevent subcliinical developmental toxicity |
varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #159 |
171. But that doesn't exactly say that vaccines cause autism, now does it? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. It says that vaccines contributed |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #176 |
200. It said... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #200 |
213. No one has claimed that vaccines are solely responsible for autism. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #171 |
177. Sure it does. Vaccines were the spark that lit the ASD fuse. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #177 |
201. "BTW, Varkam, enlighten us please. Who's YOUR sugar daddy?" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Deleted sub-thread |
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #171 |
195. Right. Just like cigarettes don't cause cancer. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #195 |
202. See post above. eom |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #151 |
194. If the vaccine "aggravated" another stressor, then it was itself an additional |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. then that's belief, not science. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. It's not a belief, |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
148. That's not what the court said. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. that's right |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #148 |
172. Exactly. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
180. Nope! Once again - |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
78. Correct. And saying there is won't make it so. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. That's a debatable assertion. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. It's been proven over and over. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
105. No it hasn't. It was recently proven in "vaccine court" that vaccines |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #105 |
123. but again it's the immune response, not the preservative |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. The immune system also responds to mercury and some feel cases are declining. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
152. Who had the vaccine the mother or the child? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #152 |
162. You have to ask? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #162 |
185. This is what your link says, so yes I have to ask. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #131 |
156. Mercury's primary risk is neurotoxicity. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. Primary risk, perhaps. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. and this post has nothing to do with autism |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Of course it does. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #161 |
189. Thimerosal also has a half life of about 1/10 of Methyl Mercury. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #189 |
209. In the blood, |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #209 |
263. Got it. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. Not to compare methyl and ethyl mercury |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #266 |
270. Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Yes, it's always good to take better care of our monkeys |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #271 |
273. You were the one that compared the two, not me. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #273 |
276. A leading scientist |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #276 |
303. Thimerosal was removed from routine childhood vaccines in 2001. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #303 |
304. No it wasn't. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #304 |
305. All routine pediatric vaccines. |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #303 |
322. False. My child received thimerosal in 2003 AND 2004. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
153. That's a little better but still not quite correct. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
236. Enzyme deficiency? Everyone is different in this |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #82 |
320. Further, consider the unbelievably huge spectrum of autism- |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
174. The vaccine court awarded damages because they acknowledged that |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Thanks for your voice of reason. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #174 |
188. I agree with you. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. But vaccines might TRIGGER autism symptoms in people |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #190 |
265. Just like SIDS, hypertension and a ton of other things. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
22. Deleted message |
Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. That gambit grows old... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. There is no link between vaccines and autism |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
211. I think you need to read the responses in this thread. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
28. Right TD some still contain trace amounts of thimerosal and the MMR vaccine may provide a different |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. Interesting that when someone like Dan Olmstead goes and |
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lizerdbits (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Not exactly correct |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
90. Thanks for that dissection |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
66. There were no LIVING children with Autism |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. autism is not mental retardation |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. I understand there are many levels of autism |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Also, there isn't any way to determine if a child |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
227. The problem is, we don't know HOW oblivious an extremely |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Woefully misinformed. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #66 |
192. Are you fucking kidding me? Yours is the most ignorant post I've seen to date on this subject. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. CNN isn't the media?...nt |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
48. Rockefeller's Megapharms have operatives everywhere |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Ya think? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
55. I'm sorry, but your whole post is garbage. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:05 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. I see...a sudden shift in the genetic makeup of humans... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
85. Read my posts above about the changes in diagnostic categories |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Again, if it was purely a genetic response, then in a case of one identical twin having it, |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. The Congressional Record from 2003 states... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Thank you very much for that citation!! n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. So testimony before Congress is always true??? |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Pssst.... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #119 |
212. When the Powers that Be report junk science as scientific fact |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #92 |
107. That's not a response to my posts, and is Sen. Dan Burton |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
109. If an identical twin has autism... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. Now autism definitely has a genetic factor but there is also |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
113. Because that's the only difference right. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
193. Many genetic conditions exist only as a potential disease, until |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
69. Great googly moogly, we are taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
70. Red alert....Autism Parent with a Voice... |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
91. Or a member of the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Outrage |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. The term "Junk science" is a Rovian technique to discredit |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I prefer the term pseudoscience. nt |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. So years of use of vaccines going back to Jenner and Pasteur are thrown out |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Have you noticed that nowhere in this discussion |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. As the saying goes - Whatever |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. If you knew who Michael Belkin is, you |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Back to the smoke signals for you. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
115. Nice qualifier. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Vaccines date back to 200 B.C. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Jenny McCarthy is a snake oil saleman... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. I think you have her confused with Big Pharma. McCarthy is not selling anything. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. She's selling her miracle cures. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. She wrote a book. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #134 |
191. For some, I am sure, her book pages will reek of snake oil |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #93 |
114. Nothing like dying children to shut down an argument. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
136. Much like the CDC does when they wish to sell vaccines on the backs of the |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. How much vaccine does the CDC sell? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. They sell available vaccines |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #114 |
230. Children with autism are not dying! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. i like your attitude |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
120. I like how people spout off judgements without reading the article carefully. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
124. Friends, please keep in mind that autism kills also. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
126. Ah, yes, fear Autism. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #126 |
164. That reminds me. I forgot to flap my arms today. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #164 |
218. *snort* |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #218 |
226. Autistic people rock! |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. Took me a second... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #229 |
252. I rock to anything |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #226 |
242. Hey, aren't you that anarcha-feminist person? |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #242 |
253. Taht's me |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #218 |
316. You should research autism more, despite your diagnosis. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #316 |
318. yes. the spectrum is very wide. the study of autism i did in 70's is not the autism |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #316 |
330. Right, but I mean... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
137. Did Jim Carrey adopt her child? He only has one child, a |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
150. Another Excellent ARTICLE to upset the MERCURY-PUSHERS. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
210. i watched my son on his two year old shots be effected and go |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. About eighteen months ago, Reader's Digest had an article |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #214 |
254. My father had Guilliume Barre |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #254 |
256. Was he able to take the swine flu vacine people to court? |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #256 |
257. No he did not |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #210 |
217. Yes, the parents have had to become the warriors in this fight because no one gives a damn. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #217 |
222. again this afternoon dealing with son about the same shit we have been dealing with for years |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. I get so mad at those who are covering for big pharma. They are vile. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #224 |
237. bush says pharma co cant be sued. BIG clue-in folks |
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HanoverFist (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
219. A question... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. to at least know would be a huge step forward that would allow resolution |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #223 |
289. I think you have an amazing attitude for all you have been through |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #289 |
319. a parent |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. The Health policies of the US have answered that question, even if |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #219 |
310. Welcome to DU! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
235. I'm sorry, I thought I was on Democratic Underground. |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
260. Kick this baby |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
262. The positive in this article is... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. that is what i would do. i would have ALL the control over whta vaccinations and when |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
272. I really think that it's time that this crap got moved to the 9/11 forum. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #272 |
306. Jenny McCarthy turned me into a newt |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #306 |
313. My cell phone gave me hemorrhoids |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #272 |
309. Are you suggesting you have more expertise on the topic of Autism? |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
317. I did not realize CNN could post such shit. |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #317 |
327. CNN is a great fan of hysteria and pseudo science |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-13-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #327 |
364. CNN? Check out their breathless, fawning piece on phrenology. |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
354. kEEP THIS BABY OU |
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365. yeah whatever |
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