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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:08 PM
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Sibel Edmonds just claimed that four 9/11 suspects were never interrogated
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 06:08 PM by calipendence
Not sure if she alleged this before, but this article just came up on Google about 10 minutes ago... Has anyone else see her pointing fingers specifically at four suspects yet, or is this new information?

http://www.jg-tc.com/articles/2008/04/02/opinion/letters/doc47f40c1c94bbf477120820.txt

Four 9/11 suspects never interrogated

By PHYLLIS CHAPMAN, Shelbyville

Sibel Edmonds, a former paid Turkish language translator for the FBI, has just gone public with a tale of an international nuclear smuggling ring that has been operating successfully inside the United States.

Edmonds gave her testimony in a closed session of Congress and to the 9/11 commission, but nothing came of it. The Ashcroft Justice Department then issued a gag order on her, but because of the serious nature of the situation she opted to tell her story.

...

Immediately after 9/11 the FBI arrested some suspects — specifically four associates of key targets of the FBI’s counterintelligence operations. Edmonds heard those targets tell a high-level State Department official: “We need to get them out of the U.S. because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans.” The official subsequently facilitated their release from jail. They left the country without incident and have never been interrogated.

I believe it would raise some eyebrows if we could talk to those four fellows and hear what they had to say about 9/11, and identify some of the names we could associate with the “surprise attack.”
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:11 PM
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1. K&R! Thaqnk you. nt
:hi:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:32 PM
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31. why would they interrogate their own patsies?
it's all falling into place - slowly the truth surfaces.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:12 PM
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2. because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans
I've heard that phrase before
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:13 PM
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3. here
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 06:18 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/%E2%80%9Cwe-can%E2%80%99t-afford-to-let-them-spill-the-beans%E2%80%9D/


“We Can’t Afford to Let Them Spill the Beans”
Sibel Edmonds on Marc Grossman

by Gary Leupp / January 28th, 2008

I am not one to easily embrace conspiracy theories, and in particular have found the idea that 9-11 was somehow an inside job too incredible for serious consideration. On the other hand, there are some very fishy aspects to some officials’ behavior pertaining to the attacks. Justin Raimondo has made a very good case for the fact that Mossad agents posing as “Israeli art students” were tracking al-Qaeda operatives in the U.S. before 9/11.

Over 120 Israelis were detained after 9/11, some failing polygraph tests when asked about their involvement in intelligence gathering. But they were not held or charged with any illegal activity but rather deported. As former FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has revealed, there was a curious failure of the government before 9/11 to act upon intelligence pertaining to an al-Qaeda attack. Most importantly Edmonds, defying the gag order that former Attorney General Ashcroft imposed on her in 2002, is implicating Marc Grossman, formerly the number three man in the State Department, in efforts to p
rovide US nuclear secrets to Pakistan and Israel. She suggests this was done through Turkish and Pakistani contacts, including the former head of Pakistan’s ISI who funneled funds to Mohamed Atta! Now there’s a conspiracy for you.

Edmonds claims that during her time at the FBI (September 20, 2001 to March 22, 2002) she discovered that intelligence material had been deliberately allowed to accumulate without translation; that inept translators were retained and promoted; and that evidence for traffic in nuclear materials was ignored. More shockingly, she charges that Grossman arranged for Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students to acquire security clearances to Los Alamos and other nuclear facilities; and that nuclear secrets they acquired were transmitted to Pakistan and to Abdul Qadeer Khan, the “father of the Islamic bomb,” who in turn was selling nuclear technology to Libya and other nations.









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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:24 PM
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22. I am not one to easily embrace conspiracy theories, and in particular have found the idea that 9-11
was an inside job."

Okay, maybe the writer/speaker doesn't lean in that direction.
The fact that both the FBI & CIA LIED in their testimony before the 9/11 Commission should raise a whole lot of suspicion. What else are they lying about? If they say "nothing else," would anyone believe them after they've already been proven to be liars?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:32 PM
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23. "inept translators were retained and promoted."
This seems to be a common practice in ever branch and level of our countries govt. and co. where the republicans have control.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:14 PM
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29. The "Israeli art students"
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 05:20 PM by Truth2Tell
were also reported on at great length in a four part series by Carl Cameron at FOX News of all places, only three days after 9-11. The report helps provide some mind-blowing context to the Edmonds case.

Cameron's report has since been scrubbed from existence by FOX and the rest of our mainstream media.

You can download and view the whole report as an AVI here:

http://www.wcontent.com/spy.avi
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:16 PM
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4. well, those four should be glad they didn't get shot in the stomach like Lee Harvey Oswald
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 06:17 PM by villager
did before he could "spill the beans..."
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:24 PM
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10. I think he was just a fall guy so he had to go, these guys were...
most likely friends of our corruption and if killed, others may have spilled some beans.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:51 PM
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11. that may indeed be a critical distinction...
n/t
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:26 PM
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5. I was wondering about Sibel Edmonds & Luke Ryland last night and did a search
and noticed that Sibel hasn't posted here since Jan & lukery hasn't posted since Feb... I checked Luke's blog and noticed that he said he was going to be traveling for a couple of months...

K&R for Sibel Edmonds and the TRUTH!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:31 PM
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7. There's this
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5858


I will end with a quote that the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg of the Pentagon Papers wrote at The BRAD BLOG. He had to write this at BRADBLOG.com. Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, but at BRAD BLOG. This was in reply to a woman, an FBI whistleblower who has been trying to get out her word about what she heard while working at the FBI after 9/11 that involves, her allegations that she heard discussion of high-level --- and I'm talking the number three in the State Department --- officials, who were allowing our nuclear secrets to be sold to foreign countries. This seems notable to me. Apparently not to the New York Times or the Washington Post. So Ellsberg, who has called her story --- her name is Sibel Edmonds, you can read about it at BRAD BLOG, not at the New York Times -- he has called her story "far more explosive than The Pentagon Papers."

He wrote: "It is a measure of how far the New York Times and Washington Post have fallen from their responsibilities since I gave them the Pentagon Papers in 1971. They printed them then. Would they today?...If freedom of the press is mainly for the people who own the presses, it is time for those owners to stop using that freedom to conceal official wrongdoing....Such activities (wrongdoing by government officials like this) persists covertly to the point of national disaster because the press neglects what our First Amendment was precisely intended to protect and encourage it to do: to expose wrongdoing by officials."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:52 AM
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16. Brad has been pushing hard now for media reform.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:51 AM
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15. Yes, Luke has been on an extended vacation.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:54 AM
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17. Sibel is also "on travel" eom
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:27 PM
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6. K&R. (nt)
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:50 PM
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8. and the timing of this story with regards to taking an inventory of our nukes?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:01 AM
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18. Hmm...
Curious
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:20 PM
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9. I just sent this article to 10 different email addresses at
MSNBC and CNN. Also the News Tip email. We need to flood all news email addresses with this. :dem:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:26 AM
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13. Good idea. Congresscritters too. n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:35 PM
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12. Recommended!
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:01 AM
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14. Yes, Sibel has said this before. It is in the Sunday Times article of Jan 6, 2008.
Excerpt:

Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.

Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. “A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, ‘We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans’,” she said. “The official said that he would ‘take care of it’.”

The four suspects on the list were released from interrogation and extradited.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece


In fact, the article you linked to actually says that it is just passing along info from that Sunday Times article. Here's the lead-in that appeared just before the paragraph that you bolded:

Miss Edmonds also told the London Times a related revelation that shed light on one aspect of the 9/11 attack.


Of course, it is very important information that is certainly worth repeating. But it's not new (since you asked).

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:44 AM
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20. I suspected as such....
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 07:46 AM by calipendence
The article made it sound like it was fresh info in the first paragraph (at least the four individuals aspect of it), but given that Sibel's on hiatus at the moment I wasn't sure. At the time I posted this, I was tied up with other stuff too, and when she's being quoted someplace like this, sometimes one feels it isn't something you want to wait to do, in case google gets censored, or other similar things.

I kind of have a feeling that when Luke and she both return sometime in the not too distant future, another big card will be played soon.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:17 PM
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21. I agree -- the article made it sound new.
I remembered hearing something similar before but wasn't sure until I googled the Times articles.

I hope you're right in your feeling -- I too keep thinking that there is another big development coming soon.

Anyway, thanks for posting this as it is a very important fact that needs to be disseminated however we can since our media, our Congress, our "Justice" department won't touch it.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:34 AM
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19. There has been a lot of talk recently about Sibel
being caught up in a compartmentalized operation. I recently did a document dump to someone on the House Foreign Relation Committee but haven't gotten any reply. One thing about Sibel, she can't speculate but must stay with the facts as she has found them.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:38 PM
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25. Yeah, I've seen some of these web pages...
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:39 PM by calipendence
It does strike me as some well thought out ways of confusing her stories with disinformation, but I still think the fact that she's willing to go on the stand, and so many of these minions hide behind "state secrets" show who's more likely to be telling the truth. They're just trying to make it sound like them lying is the "honorable and strategic" thing to have done and that is why it was secret, etc.

I'm wondering if her being on hiatus for this long is that they are looking at these "explanations" carefully and poking holes in them. If they can find ways to poke holes in them, and any are from "official sources", that's when I think you can really raise people's dander. If you can catch them lying trying to justify lying, it is almost like they are admitting to lying and having serious questions asked about their explanation for doing so.

As many have said about Nixon and others in the past, it's all about efforts of the coverup that gets them in the end.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:59 PM
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27. I'm not sure
though I thought about making contact. Then I thought I would sit back and work on what I'm working on. The thing is, if she stumbled onto something, it wouldn't require her to be gagged or fired for that matter. It could be cleared up much more simply.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:17 PM
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33. You would think that they would try to contain an operation like that in other ways...
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 07:17 PM by calipendence
If the objectives of it were truly honorable as has been claimed in some of these "analyses" as you say...

I still feel that something's not right, and they are very befuddled on how to ultimately silence her and us. They know they have it contained from being a widely discussed set of issues with their control of the corporate media, so that buys them time, but the longer it gets before they have any kind of decent argument against what she's saying, the more it sounds "manufactured" and allows the issue to become bigger if they misstep too much.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:45 PM
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34. Yes. That's it.
They will try to dismiss it but if they get too creative, it will backfire and then snowball.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:04 PM
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24. Meanwhile;
The modern day Madame Lafarge is taking it all down, preparing her denunciations. republicans beware!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:54 PM
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26. K&R n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:13 PM
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28. Wonder if they were the bin Ladens who were spirited out of the
country when no one else was allowed to fly. The FBI made a point of saying that the agency never got to interview them.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:17 PM
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30. She needs more exposure in the MSM
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:10 PM
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32. yes she does!
The traitors must not be allowed to get away with their crimes any longer. :grr:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:39 PM
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35. I'm hoping the torture memos could be the straw the breaks
the camel's back.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:41 PM
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36. well here's to hope. nt
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 09:42 PM by wildbilln864
:toast:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:44 PM
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37. Keep spreading the word. Bombard them with the truth.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:47 PM
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38. Kick for Sibel. nt
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