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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:36 AM
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*** Senate Banking Committee Hearing ***
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 09:42 AM by Texas Explorer
Sen Dodd presiding. CNBC on cable. http://www.cspan.org/">CSPAN online.

My earlier "call-to-arms" thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3091341&mesg_id=3091341



Sen. Dodd says will not 'second-guess' Bear Stearns bailout
By Greg Robb
Last update: 9:23 a.m. EDT April 3, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Sen. Chris Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut and chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said Thursday he doesn't intend to "second guess" the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department's decision to rescue Bear Stearns Cos. Dodd is chairing a hearing later this morning to examine the events surrounding the Bear Stearns bailout. "I think they made the right decision," Dodd said in a television interview. "You could have had not only a national but a global meltdown" if Bear Stearns (BSC:
The Bear Stearns Companies Inc had been allowed to declare bankruptcy, Dodd said. But there are key questions surrounding the deal, including how much the Securities and Exchange Commission understood about the dangerous position Bear Stearns was in, he said. In a statement to be presented to the hearing, Robert Steel, Treasury undersecretary for domestic finance, who was involved in the 96 hours of behind-the-scenes talks that led to the Bear Stearns rescue, said the bailout was "necessary and appropriate" because the turmoil at Bear Stearns could have caused harm to the American economy.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sen-dodd-says-not-second-guess/story.aspx?guid=%7B4846F274%2D7A1B%2D4F0E%2DBAE3%2D3A75B7A5F4A3%7D&dist=hplatest



If you are pissed that your tax money will be used to bail out Bear Stearns and JP Morgan, take a look at Dodd's backers:

1 Citigroup Inc $439,094
2 United Technologies $386,500
3 Bear Stearns $354,450
4 SAC Capital Partners $319,800
5 Deloitte & Touche $275,220
6 American International Group $271,438
7 Goldman Sachs $265,116
8 Greenwich Capital Markets $238,400
9 Travelers Companies $219,000
10 Morgan Stanley $209,725
11 Credit Suisse Group $197,050
12 Merrill Lynch $193,650
13 JPMorgan Chase & Co $189,523
14 Royal Bank of Scotland $186,150
15 PricewaterhouseCoopers $175,650
16 KPMG LLP $162,340
17 Ernst & Young $158,750
18 General Electric $158,730
19 Lehman Brothers $147,000
20 Hartford Financial Services $132,650

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00000581

THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL THIS HEARING IS GOING TO RESULT IN JACK SHIT WHEN DODD'S DONORS ARE MOSTLY THE BANKING AND FINANCE INDUSTRY. WE ARE GOING TO PAY BEAR STEARNS BANKRUPTCY BILL. PERIOD.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:39 AM
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1. So they owe these corporations welfare, but the women with
her children sleeping in a shelther, they are on there own.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:28 AM
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5. Women in shelters need to learn about personal responsibility.
The priviledged suits at Bear Stearns are the ones in need of assistance. Can't you see that?
/sarcasm
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:31 AM
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8. You got me. I was pulling out my flamethrower on your subject line! :)
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:43 AM
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2. thanks for heads up; listening to Iraq hearings now but will look for this later nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:44 AM
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3. Builders and lenders will get some help. We will be blamed.
Welcome to CSPAN Theater!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:27 AM
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4. Self-kick 'cause looks as if I don't do it, no one will. So far, no
mention AT ALL of the fact that this bailout is Costitutionally ILLEGAL.

NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF THE CONSTITUTION SO FAR.

NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT THE CONSTITUTINAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS BAILOUT BY PEOPLE WHO TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!!!

And no fucking body cares.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:29 AM
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6. I just turned this on. Thanks for posting! Question? Has there been any mention of rumors being
spread about Bear Stearns? Obama implied that in a recent speech.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:31 AM
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7. Nope. All smoke and mirrors, excuses and lies so far. Thank you
and all who've given a shit so far in this thread.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:44 AM
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9. This hearing can change our way of life and control of our government. Please read my posts linked
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:56 AM
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10. I know, I know. And all I'm seeing is a collective yawn! Oh well,
as long as we can all still sit on our fat asses, tapping on keyboards and belly-aching to the world about all the injustice.

And before anyone gets the smartass idea of pointing out to me that I'm doing nothing by squealing about it on a message board, let me say this: When the rest of you decide to get off your asses, I'll be right there beside you.


SIDEBAR: I just love how CNBC has to interupt every ten minutes to tell us how to interpret what is being said in this hearing. I guess we're just a bunch of dumbasses who are unable to disseminate our government's words.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:52 PM
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12. Um. Try see here:
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 06:55 PM by Ghost Dog
...In her book "Morgan: American Financier," author Jean Strouse writes of this time and J.P.'s emerging role in the spring of 1907.

"Morgan planned to leave for Europe in mid-March 1907, but the combination of monetary shrinkage and a rumor that Roosevelt would make some dramatic new move against the railroads called him out of his 'Up-Town Branch.' He went to Washington on March 12 and spent two hours discussing 'the present business situation' with the President. As he left the White House he told the press that Roosevelt would soon meet with the heads of leading railroads to see what might be done to 'allay public anxiety.'"

On March 12, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 86.53. On March 13, the stock market began to fall and closed that day at 83.12. Morgan sailed for Europe. On March 14, the market crashed, losing 8.3% of its value (DJ 76.23). The next six months saw the market steadily erode.

Then on October 21, a run developed on The Knickerbocker Trust Co. of New York (this was before the signing of Latrell Sprewell). According to author John Steele Gordon, "Depositors lined up in front of the bank's headquarters on the future site of the Empire State Building to demand their funds. The bank closed the next day after an auditor found that its funds were depleted beyond hope. The bank's president, Charles Barney, shot himself several weeks later, prompting some of the bank's outstanding depositors to commit suicide as well."

After this fiasco, J.P. Morgan and his Wall Street cronies put together a rescue package designed to prop up the other trust institutions. The group got together with Teddy Roosevelt's Treasury Secretary, George Cortelyou, who provided them with $25 million to keep the system from collapsing. The funds were then deposited in the national banks in New York with the intent of adding funds to a system sorely in need of more liquidity. The banks were to apply the funds as they saw fit to prevent further panics.

/... http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2000/122499.html


also (after quick scan):

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&q=Morgan+speculation+rumor&as_ldate=1907&as_hdate=1907&um=1&scoring=t&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=title
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/bear-stearns-week-from-hell/

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:42 AM
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11. 1993 and 2000 Derivatives articles...Who could have known???
Still reading through the below article.

How To Bring The Cancerous Derivatives Market Under Control
by Christopher White

Printed in the American Almanac, September 6, 1993

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/derivcw.htm


"...Those who do know what derivatives are, will, if asked, for the most part regurgitate what the bankers and others have told them to say: that derivatives are a necessary part of what they call the ``financial industry ... they hedge risk, ... they make the markets more efficient,'' and so forth...

....Purchases of stocks and bonds would once have been seen as investment for the long haul. Trade in commodities would have been seen not as investment, but as purchases and sales.

With what are now called derivatives, we move from investment, and purchases and sales of hard commodities, to speculating on the future price or yield performance of what were once investments, and relatively simple, economically necessary transactions. It would be like going to the horse races to bet, not on the race, but on the size of the pot. Who would care about what's involved with getting the runners to the starting gate?



....The so-called Over-The-Counter instruments account for about half of the total derivatives outstanding in the U.S.A., And they are almost exclusively issued by the large money center banks. Of roughly $6 trillion at the end of 1991, Citibank, accounted for 25 percent of the total, and J.P. Morgan and Bankers' Trust the next largest chunk. That is $1.5 trillion for Citibank alone. The banks insist that this is not only safe, it is a socially useful and valuable service which they are providing to their clients. ``Why, you must be naive if you do not know that. Let me tell you all about it.'' That is the approach which they adopt..."


UPDATE: BANK DERIVATIVES EXPOSURE

February 2000

http://contraryinvestor.com/moarchive2000/mo020300.htm

"Update Time...In fact, quite timely, really. Surely with the volatility in the bond market these days, it's high time we checked in on those wacky money center banks and their highly flammable derivatives exposure. All sarcasm aside, the reason we continue to update you each quarter on these numbers is that derivatives are part of "what's different this time". In 1990, the total notional value of derivatives outstanding "off" the balance sheet of the commercial banking system in the U.S. was $6.2 trillion. As of 3Q 1999 (the latest numbers released), the value has skyrocketed to over $35 trillion. Needless to say, the number is quite significant. See what we mean?

....Enough of the optimistic, lighthearted banter. A second, and equally important, reason we continue to focus in on derivatives is that these instruments have become so widespread in use that derivatives themselves can have a significant impact on price volatility in the cash markets that underpin the very values on which the derivatives contracts are based. The last point regarding the derivatives markets that truly gives us pause is how little is spoken about them on Wall Street (despite every major trading firm heavily relying on their use). The striking characteristic of derivatives use is the sheer lack of mandated disclosure. There isn't even an attempt at some type of simplified analysis. Every time the SEC/FASB seems near requiring that firm's account for their derivatives activities in their SEC statements, the proposal mysteriously seems to be scuttled at the last minute. Every time. It's like the great mystery of the margin requirement. Just don't bring it up and it will go away. If you simply ignore it, it's not there. After all, it's a new era. Certain things just aren't discussed...


....There you have it. Another quarter under the belt for the Derivatives Report card. As we have said many a time, the more money and credit we have created in the entire US financial system, the demand for derivatives increases. The more volatility in the financial markets, the more the demand for derivatives increases. It truly is different this time. Maybe financial derivatives will remain peaceful and quiet for decades to come, but so far they have only really been tested in the halls of academia or in computer models. We have not experienced a financial market crisis in this country throughout this decade of explosive derivatives growth. We may have come close with LTCM, but that experience was contained as around the toxic area an isolation perimeter of credit and liquidity was quickly and efficiently constructed. What is untested is coincident failures on the part of multiple institutions. Let's hope that day never arrives. These numbers say it won't result in a graceful resolution."


March 2008 updated report on derivatives

http://www.contraryinvestor.com/2008archives/momar08.htm


"...What is obviously apparent, we believe very meaningful, and perhaps little understood in the greater investment community, is the growth in magnitude over the 2004 to present period in the CDS market. From about $1 trillion in notional value outstanding at year-end 2003, we're looking at just shy of $14 trillion in notional exposure as of September 2007 for the US banking system singularly. A near fourteen-fold increase in three and one half years. We ask you, do you see this fact being discussed or at least being mentioned on the "front page", if you will? Do you even see this mentioned in discussions or articles regarding what led up to the current mortgage credit debacle? Do you see Senators and other assorted politicians grandstanding in their demands for investigations about how this could have come to pass? We need to at least think through potential investment consequences if indeed credit default swaps become the next credit market shoe to hit the floor in some manner. Why? Because at the periphery it’s already starting to happen.

Very quickly, who are the major players among the US banking system elite? The usual suspects, who else? Here's how it shakes out at present:..."













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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:15 PM
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13. Bear deal goes under the microscope
http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/03/news/companies/jpm_bear_hearing/index.htm?postversion=2008040320

"...The truth is that the benefactors of our actions were not Bear Stearns or principally Wall Street - it is Main Street," said the central bank chief.

Those remarks were echoed by other witnesses, including Timothy Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, one of the chief architects of the deal, and JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon and Bear Stearns (BSC, Fortune 500) CEO Alan Schwartz.

"One thing I can say with confidence: if the private and public parties before you today had not acted in a remarkable collaboration to prevent the fall of Bear Stearns, we would all be facing a far more dire set of challenges," JPMorgan's Dimon said...

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson outlined a blueprint for changes on Monday that would combine a handful of federal regulators and provide greater power to the Federal Reserve..."

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