*******ABC: AL GORE POLL******

[FourScore]

As it stands now:

A Nashville think tank touting Al Gore's electric bills says the energy reform advocate consumes 20 times more energy than the average American.

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.
4,903
No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.
2,515

Total Vote: 7,418

Go at it DU!!!!!!!

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888&page=1

PLEASE lET'S RATE THIS UP FOR WIDER CIRCULATION!!! WE GOTTA FIGHT THIS THING!!! THANKS.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. link please

[FourScore]

2. Sorry. Got it.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888&page=1

[Bobbieo]

7. I keep thinking of Bush's fuel bill every time he steps in Air Force One.

[Clark2008]

3. Of course all the Freeps would be on the ABC site

after their 9/11 fiction.

[freethought]

4. Try this link at CrooksandLiars

KO will put things in better perspective.


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/28/olbermann-on-gores-energy-use-setting-the-record-straight/

[FourScore]

15. SaveElmer posted KO in the DU video forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x18071

[LSparkle]

5. This is such B.S.!!!!! I can't believe (well ... ) ABC would report this

without mentioning that President Gore buys green power, which COSTS MORE, you frickin' idiots!!!

[Raksha]

54. One Freeper scum on another forum I frequent

called Al Gore's buying green power "buying indulgences." I guess he can't wrap his mind around the fact that it's a renewable resource.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. ABC Always Be Conning

:puke:

[Uncle Joe]

14. Or ABC Anything But Credibility

:puke:

[rock]

18. Always Be Cocked

[Cha]

39. All About Crap!

:)

[imax2268]

59. Another Biased Channel

[otohara]

8. done

[Cetacea]

9. Idiots. k+R

Watch the Ko Video at crooksandliars.com

[bdamomma]

10. boy, anyway they can smear a person they will do it,

what a bunch of scum we are dealing with. Unbelieveable.

[WiseButAngrySara]

11. Done ...

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.
4,949
No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.2,574
Total Vote: 7,523

[longship]

12. Recommended and kicked

:kick:

Please vote on this one.

[LSK]

13. did ABC bother to mention that the Think Tank President worked for AEI???

You know, the guys who tried to bribe global warming scientists?

[nashville_brook]

17. no, and the $$ per year varies wildly from article to article

(not just ABC) -- proving that no one knows what they are talking about.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17382210/

GORE's people and MSNBC reports the number to be 1,200 a month. i lived in an apartment that required a 400 a month electricity, in Tennessee (historic inefficient house). our moderately efficient nashville house cost 120 a month in electricity and it was EXACTLY ONE TENTH the square footage of the Gore's Belle Meade home...

[LSK]

19. and I saw one article where the power company denied they were contacted

[nashville_brook]

25. yeah -- i just did some calculations based on cost per kwh in nashville

and for a 10,500 sq ft home he's running way efficient at $1,200 a month and even $4,000 a month.

my calcs could be wrong, but the cost of a kwh in Nashville is apprx $.07
you figure baseload in the south on 6 kwh per sq ft and multiply by 12 (months), adding 2.1 kwh per sq ft for 6 months of heat and 1.4 kwh per sq ft for cooling for 6 months.

I come up with a $72,000 electric bill a year in an all-electric house with that sq footage -- but, Nashville homes usually use a lot of natural gas, which is why the number is lower for Gore's home.

here's the reference for the cost per kwh in nashville:
http://www.nespower.com/resrates.aspx

here's an article on how to calculate your baseload:
http://www.caec.com/e_advice_detail.aspx?id=255

Understanding Energy Use in Your All-Electric Home

Would you like to reduce your electricity consumption? As you plan to improve your home’s efficiency, it helps to understand where you use electrical power.

The first step is to understand how your home uses energy, then you can target an where you might be losing efficiency.

First, we need to separate your annual electricity consumption into heating, air conditioning and baseload uses. Baseload uses include water heating, lighting, refrigeration, laundry, and other uses that don’t vary much from month to month. Once you have an estimate of your baseload usage, you can estimate your heating and cooling costs in order to see if they fall above or below average.

Look at your spring or fall electric bills to estimate your baseload energy use, since you probably use little or no heating or air conditioning during this time. Find the spring month and the fall months when the usage (kwh, not dollars) was lowest. Multiply that average monthly electricity usage by 125 percent to get a rough estimate of your monthly baseload. Then multiply this monthly baseload by 12 to estimate your annual baseload in kilowatt-hours.

To compute your electricity use for cooling, subtract your average monthly baseload from the kilowatt-hours used for each summer month. For heating electricity, subtract the monthly baseload from the kilowatt-hours used each winter month.

When you are done, you should have three things: (1) total baseload kwh used for 12 months (2) total kwh used for cooling and (3) total kwh used for heating.

If you divide the total kwh used for each of these number by the square footage of your home. This will provide you with a number if kwh used per square foot.

According the the Energy Information Administration, the average home in a southern climate uses about 2.1 kwh per square foot for heating, while the same home uses about 1.4 kwh per square foot for cooling. The average baseload is 6.0 kwh per square foot.

If your baseload electricity consumption is very much above the average, you should think about some energy saving measures. Your baseload electricity consumption can be affected by older inefficient appliances, a high demand for hot water or unusual loads such as a swimming pool. It is also true that the number of persons living in the home can affect this number. If you have four or more occupants (especially teens), this can be increasing your usage.

If your heating consumption or cooling consumption is above the kWh average, you should think about some energy saving measures. Your electrical heating consumption depends on insulation levels, air leakage and heating efficiency. Your air-conditioning electricity usage is determined by window shading, attic insulation, air leakage and air-conditioning or heat pump efficiency.

Source: John Krigger, Saturn Resource Management, www.srmi.biz

[nashville_brook]

30. whoops! just watched the Olbermann video -- my math is wrong, but the logic is correct

his usage per square foot is average compared to nashville homes. AND he uses something called "Green Power Switch" which is more expensive than regular electric rates.

[LSK]

35. Green Power Switch

http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch

:hi:

[Cha]

40. Thanks LSK!

:hi:

[Danieljay]

16. Damnit, Olberman debunked all this last night... F#@K ABC ! Video here:

See this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x18071

[Vadem]

20. This needs a lotta work! Get busy DUers......

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.
4,968

No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.
2,650

Total Vote: 7,618

[catgirl]

21. Let ABC know how you feel

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Reference/story?id=54216

[Contrite]

78. ABC avoided the research about Gore's real energy use.

MSNBC had the facts on this yesterday (Countdown).

Gore uses non-carbon-based sources like wind and solar, for which he pays a premium.

I clued ABC in.

[DKRC]

22. Done, K&R. nt

[Greybnk48]

23. done n/t.

[Fridays Child]

24. k/r

[BrightKnight]

26. done - n/t

[Gothmog]

27. done

Poll needs some help and DU love

[cbear70]

28. done n/t

[highplainsdem]

29. Done. More votes from DUers needed.

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches. 4,992

No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work. 2,718

Total Vote: 7,710

[YOY]

31. F*** ABC

Mouse sucking asswipes.

[Champion Jack]

32. Info on the Gore smear group

Incorporation info on right-wing smear group

Here's the incorporation info from the TENNESSEE SECRETARY OF STATE - looks like it operates out of a small office or even apartment in Nashville and was incorporated in 2005.

Company Name: TENNESSEE CENTER FOR POLICY RESEARCH
Mailing Address:
1606 BURTON AVE; #A
NASHVILLE, TN 37215
Type: CORPORATION (NON-PROFIT)
Status: ACTIVE
Status Date: 4/6/2005
Filing Date: 4/5/2005
Duration: PERPETUAL
State or Country of Incorporation: TENNESSEE
Registered Agent:
JASON A. JOHNSON
Status: ACTIVE
Registered Office:
1606 BURTON AVE; #A
NASHVILLE, TN 37215
Additional Information: FISCAL YEAR ENDS IN DECEMBER.
Filing Number: 491181
Annual Report:
Date Due: 4/1/2007

[yellerpup]

33. Reporting in

A Nashville think tank touting Al Gore's electric bills says the energy reform advocate consumes 20 times more energy than the average American.

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.

4,999
No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.

2,734
Total Vote: 7,733

[AndyA]

34. Done - and f*ck you, ABC. I haven't watched your crappy network since your

Lies About 9/11 Documentary aired.

And I DO NOT support any company that advertises on your network, either. There are more like me. When their sales drop off, they might just wonder if it's because they advertise on your network.

Message to ABC advertisers: You are losing sales by running ads on ABC. Cancel the ads and support the truth!

[Cha]

36. Didn't Al Gore answer this and show

that the stupid think tank didn't do all the research that was needed to explain why the bill was so high? And isn't the stupid think tank funded by an OIL company?

In the mean time DONE.

[Cha]

37. And I notice the stoops at disney

have it under "Political" and didn't Al Gore and Melissa Etheridge say "It's not about Politics"?!!

[mnhtnbb]

38. No 2734 Yes 4999. Gore is getting the Edwards' treatment.

[FourScore]

41. kick

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.
5,050
No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.
2,863

Total Vote: 7,913

This is terrible. How do change these numbers?

[AbbyR]

42. K, R and voted (nft)

[w4rma]

43. Jake Tapper's smear job. Gore pays an extra ~$6000/year to get his energy from renewables. (nt)

[IndyOp]

44. 36% say No - not hypocritical - Get Moving DU!

Yes. He should practice what he preaches. 5,097

No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work. 2,919

Total Vote: 8,016

[DesertRat]

45. Done

Is Gore's energy consumption hypocritical?

Yes. He should practice what he preaches. 5,100

No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work. 2,920

Total Vote: 8,020

[NDP]

46. You see the way the media are tricking the people over Gore with the 20 second soundbites

Apply the same logic to the Democratic field, and you'll have your explanation for the poll numbers.

[karlrschneider]

47. Done & kick

:kick:

[Auggie]

48. Done

[Digit]

49. Done

[proud patriot]

50. done

:hi:

[Cha]

51. Well needed Kick!

:hi:

[EstimatedProphet]

52. Done

[City Lights]

53. Done.

Unbelievable though. x( People are such chumps. Oh, and, the corporate media SUCKS!

[usregimechange]

55. kr

[HardRocker05]

56. the important thing is the premise of the poll; does gore use 20x more energy than the average

american? and if it's true, is there some reasonable explanation? i'm not willing to vote on this poll, one way or the other, until i hear the facts.

[ourbluenation]

57. done but she's lost I think...5000 yes, 3000 no.

[RobbinsdaleDem]

58. done

[Maven]

60. Done.

These lowlives just couldn't wait, could they? I guess Uncle Kkkarl got the message out. :eyes:

[Liberal In Texas]

61. Yes. 5,326 No. 3,121

Total Vote: 8,447

What a POS the whole headline was:

Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- A $30,000 Utility Bill



A small vote, relatively. This can be DUed.

[ProudDad]

62. Still way behind

Get on it... :bounce:

[JNelson6563]

63. It's seriously freep'd

:kick:

[OhioChick]

64. Needs Help.

Yes. He should practice what he preaches.
5,369
No. He is greatly reducing carbon emissions through his work.3,210
Total Vote: 8,579

[il_lilac]

65. done and kick! n/t

[lazyriver]

66. Typical for the MSM: The poll is BS...

By adding the line, "He should practice what he preaches", to a simple yes or no question, they are artificially skewing the results toward "Yes". Of course he should be practicing what he preaches but what they don't tell you is that he IS doing so already. Sheeple who don't look any further than what the corporate media tells them will almost certainly answer yes to this poll even if they kind of like Al Gore and what he stands for.

[zanne]

67. Done. nt

[npincus]

68. Trick question: a Swiftboat-like set-up

The correct answer is BOTH. They neglect to mention he IS practicing what he preaches by powering his house with renewable energy sources.

Piece of shit ABC.

[FourScore]

69. This has got to be rigged.

I have been watching this poll pretty carefully and I have got to say that it has got to be rigged. They must have Diebold software. Even though DU has been hitting it pretty hard, the percentage has barely changed. Somethin' smells rotten at ABC.

[lonestarnot]

70. Yikes people are stupid!

[New Earth]

71. disgusting.

:puke:

[Irishonly]

72. Done

DUers need to get busy. The freepers are out in force.

[garybeck]

73. done, K&R

[jackstraw45]

74. ABC? BIASED? Nahhh...you guys are SMOKING CRACK!

[Terri S]

75. come on everyone!!

There's still a majority on the 'yes' side of this garbage poll!! DUers... lets set the swiftboaters straight on this!!!

K & R!!

[FourScore]

76. That's the spirit!

Welcome to DU, Terri S!:hi:

[Contrite]

77. Hey, ABC, why not have a poll about Ghouliani's live-in boyfriends?

While he was married and his wife threw him out of Gracie Mansion probably for domestic abuse.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. He must be running, and They're scared shitless of him.

That would explain the sudden, desperate poo-flinging by the powers-that-be.

[kaygore]

80. Done