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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:04 PM
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Secretary of VA regarding 200k vets treated: "A lot of them come in for, for dental problems."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/arts/television/27watc.html?em&ex=1172725200&en=f9eaa6f4957227a3&ei=5087%0A

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The film notes that the Department of Defense puts the number of men and women wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan at about 23,000, while the Department of Veterans Affairs has recorded treating more than 200,000 veterans of those two wars. Paul Sullivan, the director of programs at the advocacy group Veterans for America, says, “What you have are two sets of books.”

Mr. Woodruff politely asks the secretary of veterans affairs, R. James Nicholson, to explain the discrepancy. Citing department reports that list 73,000 mental disorders, 61,000 diseases of the nervous system and others, Mr. Woodruff says, “These are huge numbers beyond the 23,000.”

Mr. Nicholson, a Vietnam veteran and a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, replies, “A lot of them come in for, for dental problems.”


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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:05 PM
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1. Yes, well we all know that dental problems can't kill you.
:sarcasm:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:06 PM
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2. Yes, well we all know that dental problems can't kill you.
:sarcasm:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:27 PM
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12. Picked the wrong day to use that one didn't they... n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:12 PM
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3. and he's got numbers to back that hideously callus statement up, right?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:12 PM
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4. They only treat
service connected dental problems. Another pile of BS from a bushbot.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:15 PM
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7. Only must 100 percent-er receive dental care
So how many claims have been done for dental care????
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:15 PM
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8. strange walls!! Geech.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:12 PM
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5. Except VA does not cover dental problems
I believe that only service-related dental cases -- usually injuries -- are eligible for VA care.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:25 PM
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11. If your 100 % they do
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:13 AM
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22. yeah,but how many get 100% any more?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:14 PM
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6. a health problem is a health problem, be it the feet, the teeth or the brain.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:47 PM
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9. Well, they cerainly won't fix my teeth
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:32 PM
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13. What's your rating
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:39 PM
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14. Zilch
They couldn't find anything wrong with me when I got out back in 73
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:11 PM
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15. Cat 8 they will do nothing now for you Bush cuts tossed you out
So lets try this go back and talk to DAV see if we can at least get you 20 %
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:15 AM
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18. I'm priority 8 and still enrolled but I signed up prior to 17JAN03
New Enrollment Priority 8 veteran applicants have been rejected if they applied on or after January 17, 2003. Those previously enrolled have not so far been kicked out.

If you live in abject poverty you can pass the means test but otherwise you can not. If you were in Nam while Agent Orange was being used I'm pretty surey you can qualify for a partial disability.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:49 PM
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10. As sick as it sounds, he may be right
A soldier goes into combat. He gets hit by thirty bullets, including three in the mandible. He is a guest of the VA for the next six months as they reassemble him, perform every kind of surgery you can think of, removing one arm, both legs, his penis and both testicles, one lung, an eye, a kidney and half of his liver. By the time his mom gets him back, he's half the man he used to be--part of the other half is in Iraq, the rest in a medical waste container at Walter Reed.

He got an oral injury? Dental case. Forget all the OTHER shit they did to him, if they call it a "dental case" it makes it sound like he needed a filling instead of having seven organs and three limbs removed.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:14 PM
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16. please rec/kick this for the afternoon crowd-here's link to video on MSM CBS
Go Paul, hurrah for the whistleblowers

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/nicholson-dental


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/nicholson-dental /


Nicholson Downplays High Numbers Of Injured Vets: ‘A Lot Of Them Come In For Dental Problems’

Through the lens of his own personal recovery from a traumatic brain injury suffered in Iraq, ABC’s Bob Woodruff last night examined the plight of military families dealing with injuries to their loved ones.

While the Department of Defense reports that there have been about 23,000 nonfatal battlefield casualties in Iraq, Woodruff reported — through an internal VA document — that more than 200,000 veterans have sought medical care for various ailments.

When Woodruff confronted VA Secretary Jim Nicholson about the disparity in the administration’s figures, Nicholson responded that Americans are probably “surprised to know that 200,000 come to the VA for some kind of medical treatment. That’s probably more than they think.” But Nicholson quickly downplayed the high numbers, claiming a lot of veterans simply “come in for dental problems.” Watch it: VIDEO AT LINK

Nicholson’s attempts to diminish the seriousness of the issue are insulting. According to the VA internal report, the injuries afflicting veterans are quite serious in nature:

Mental disorders: 73,000
Diseases of nervous system: 61,000
Signs of ill-defined conditions: 7,000
Diseases of musculoskeletal system: 87,000.

Despite the increasing numbers of wounded and injured veterans seeking care, the Bush administration has laid out plans to cut funding for veterans’ health care two years from now.

Transcript:

WOODRUFF: According to the Department of Defense, there have been about 23,000 nonfatal battlefield casualties, but that doesn’t tell the full story.

<…>

PAUL SULLIVAN, VETERANS ADVOCATE: These are the big numbers, Bob. 200,000 have already gone into VA for medical care.

WOODRUFF: The official number is that there are only about 23,000 soldiers and Marines who have been injured in this war.

SULLIVAN: What you have are two sets of books. The Department of Defense saying there are 23,000 wounded from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the Department of Veterans Affairs is actually treating 205,000 veterans from these two wars.

WOODRUFF: According to this internal VA report, Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are being diagnosed with a wide variety of ailments; many for multiple problems. The report does not have a category for traumatic brain injury, but it does include post-traumatic stress disorder, mental disorders, infectious and parasitic diseases, and ill-defined conditions.

WOODRUFF: You think americans fully understand how many injured there are in this war?

NICHOLSON: I think it — i think it cuts both ways. I think Americans are always very surprised to know the number of amputations, for example, which is fewer than 600 in total. They’re probably also surprised to know that 200,000 come to the VA for some kind of medical treatment. That’s probably more than they think.

WOODRUFF: You have mental disorders — 73,000; diseases of nervous system — 61,000; symtpoms, signs of ill-defined conditions — 7,000; diseases of musculoskeletal system — 87,000. These are numbers beyond the 23,000.

NICHOLSON: A lot of them come in for dental problems, others come in for a lot of the normal things that people have. We’re providing their healthcare. Some I suppose are because of their service over there. But they weren’t evacuated for that.

WOODRUFF: But they got some kind of injury, some kind of problem because of the war.

NICHOLSON: That’s possible, yes.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:43 AM
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17. knr. ....n/t
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:57 AM
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19. This discrepancy is easily explained
All vets are entitled to VA health care for 2 years after separation date if they served on active duty in a theater of combat operations during a period of war after the Gulf War, or in combat against a hostile force during a period of “hostilities” after November 11, 1998.

http://www.va.gov/healtheligibility/eligibility/CombatVets.asp

Therefore, all soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are entitled to VA healthcare benefits for 2 years. The number being treated by the VA is probably the total number of veterans from these theaters who are enrolled, since all are expected to at least come in for an annual physical. If you came in for the physical or if you got a flu shot you were treated. Nicholson's response was clumsy but I think this is probably what he was trying to say.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:00 AM
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20. Nobody seemed to mind it when george w. bush appeared in the
dentist's office on the National Guard's dime - and fulfilled his attendance requirements by getting his teeth cleaned.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:47 AM
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21. Recommended #10
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