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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:38 PM Original message |
How Reagan Created "The Homeless," & Why Charity Can't Fix It |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent post |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Jogging clubs are great, in the presence of economic change. |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. I remember the aftermath of his lovely governorship here. Suddenly, with funding cut |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
57. If my mom's bout with alcoholism had occurred five years later |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
100. Actually, that is not quite accurate. MOST of the emptying of institutions happened earlier. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Pulled out of the OP for emphasis: |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Thank you. I'm coming to the conclusion that most people just can't grasp what is done to us, unles |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #115 |
124. In my experience, "means-testing" is one of the sickest notions |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. The point is, we're just supposed to DIE. It isn't enough to live on, we don't have |
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psychmommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #126 |
160. i empathizes w/your situation but, |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
134. excellent |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
150. You are so right. People practically assume that homeless people are |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #150 |
200. "Most of us go through a form of depression ........ We call it grief" |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
175. Even so, ronnie did cut the funding further, and that's just one area in which he did so. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #175 |
208. Yes, Raygun cut it further...so did Carter, so did Clinton. |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
169. Lived in CA during his presidency!! |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. It was awful during that time. I was SO frustrated! |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
162. Naomi Klein's book on 'disaster capitalism' is a must read nt |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #162 |
171. Excellent book recommendations! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #171 |
202. now what |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Reagan also cut funding to mental health and effectively emptied mental health hospitals |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Don't forget the community based half way houses... |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I also remember that well |
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Giant Robot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
44. You got that wrong |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Reagan didn't have the power of the purse. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Reagan was governor of California when he did that. The hospitals closed, but the money for the rest |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. In Texas, they did this with the State School system |
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eagertolearn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
170. I Had an aunt in the state hospital in CA then and then she was moved into |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #170 |
182. I'm so sorry. I'm in SB also. Because of my work on a County commission I know abt "dual diagnosis" |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #182 |
186. So, in your estimation, most homeless people are "mentally ill", and we should all be locked up? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #186 |
210. Get off it. I never said that. I never implied that. It's not true. But abandoning the weakest... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. Even though it's been pointed out repeatedly that mentally ill people are a very small percentage |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #210 |
217. "your cause?" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
176. While it is sacrilege to post it here I would remind the denizens of DU |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #176 |
187. How DARE you point out the foibles of some Dems!!! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
204. it is even more uncomfortable than that |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. How DARE you suggest that we look at ourselves!! |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
180. And it was a republi-CON congress. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #180 |
213. they represent us |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
59. "...emptied mental health hospitals into the streets." |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
105. Hey! You're talking about my life! ^_^ |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #105 |
130. I've been a librarian for over 15 years... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. "Sound familiar?" Thankfully, I can say it's not something I've been subjected to. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #130 |
165. Yikes... |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. This was big where I lived back then |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
103. please see response #100 |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm get confused about the definition of "homeless" |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. a continuum, maybe? |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
181. Great point! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #181 |
218. yes |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
188. Jogging is part of a particular mindset, a particular obsession with self-improvement and self- |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. Homeless people are people whom do NOT have their own address! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well fraking done. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. I, too, remember when "beggars" were something other countries had, & we were proud we didn't |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yep, I remember when people used to brag about it & say it demonstrated |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Great observations |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. Perhaps you can straighten my thinking out about "jobs" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. By increasing the amount the worker keeps, and reducing the |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
151. too good for them. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. You have just explained Marx's primary point in Das Capital, more or less. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
106. You ask a very important question, and it's too bad it's not getting response. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
137. I am sorry |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #137 |
189. Now THERE'S an idea! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
15. K&R |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
16. I hope to see this at the top of the Greatest page. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
18. K and R |
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arundhatiroyfan (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
20. Very important information! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
21. I'm going to cheer for cell phones and jogging and anything |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Networks - of what? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Of people working for change. We used to call that "community". |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. How is giving people cellphones & jogging lessons |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Your points are *very* well taken... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Exactly. n/t |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. I believe that comes from society's unwillingness to deal AT ALL with |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Treating the symptom often DOES work... |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. No, we don't disagree. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
116. Well, then, think for a moment how conservatives feel, when we continually call them to task. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #116 |
141. Hmmm, you seem to be missing my point a bit... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #141 |
153. no one is saying that, are they? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #153 |
190. Exactly. How often must we keep repeating this? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #141 |
191. And you seem to be missing mine. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
108. "That's great, but we also need people working on the larger problem which is: ...". |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
142. Straw man... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
140. shouldn't be, but it is |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. Good grief! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. can't speak for them |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #145 |
193. "HOWEVER, it really bugs me that so many people -- often of the conservative stripe, by the way " |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #140 |
192. When was that time, again? I'm having a hard time remembering.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. Then you are missing an opportunity of bringing people into |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #50 |
194. We share it all the time. Most choose to reject. So be it. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
203. not really |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. Much better than my reply... strike mine. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The fact is, there are four things in US history that have |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. 100% agreed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. No one is arguing for bootstrap pulling but for inclusion. |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
155. In Philly.......... |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
22. they not only cut the budgets--they tore the rooming houses and cheap hotels down |
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joneschick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
70. I'm seeing a growing number of McMansions standing empty |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Hey that's a great idea!-- |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
109. Here's a thought... some muddleclass activists join with some homeless activists and take over those |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
195. Could you please tell me, again, why I and so many other disabled people should |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
24. Agree with you 100%! Cell phones & jogging are just feel good band aids on the problem. nt |
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Avalon Sparks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. Awesome Post! |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
32. Remember , we once had Franklin Delano Roosevelt a President who understood the meaning of charity |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I totally agree. A bunch of manufactured controversy - |
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. So say we all! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
214. more from that speech |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
35. More fruits of the Republican Revolution. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
110. Democrats have been complicit. Please stop placing all the blame on the easy target. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
36. There is a screech of "class warfare" whenever the truth is told.. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
112. On target! "Liberals" don't like being corrected anymore than conservatives do. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. Well you may not remember it, and it's always fun to blame things on Reagan |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. Blame sometimes falls where it''s deserved |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
205. or it keeps falling on a scapegoat |
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Mr Rabble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
38. This is really a great post. |
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unhappycamper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. And the burden falls on veterans, too. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
40. In 1971 I was the young wife of a professor of Spanish. We were |
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mqbush (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
41. To the at least 2.3 million people who are homeless, add the |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. Thanks for this excellent analysis. I hope we will be able to make change happen. nt |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
43. Amen! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
45. K & R: Thank you. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
209. Thank you! a good starting place would be the National Housing Trust Fund, |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
46. Edit: Dupe. |
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il_lilac (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
47. awesome post |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
48. What an incredible post. K & R. n/t |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
51. What homeless problem? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. That's what Newsom is trying to do here and we've had to fight him |
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kisserofsinners (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
52. This started before he was president... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. And then the asshole went national to destroy all Gov. and social programs! |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
60. Just to Highlight Something You Posted |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. But...but...but....Ronnie Raygun elimated all those Welfare Queens |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Oh, I'm sure that there were "welfare queens" driving cadillacs. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
196. BINGO! And the same dynamic is building now, with the war wagons... |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. Reagan's Vision |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
63. Detroit was crippled by a one-two punch of Reaganism and Big-3 Greed |
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gademocrat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
64. K and R |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
66. unfortunately, I find a major problem with this |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. 'Between 1980 and 1989, HUD's budget authority was cut from $74 billion to $19 billion' |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. I cannot verify that either |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Please go to the Fed Link. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. The reporter would have verified the facts but here.... more verification...same numbers. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. I have read the Daily Howler too much to trust journalists |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Yep, I agree. Can't trust journalists to fact-check. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. since you have no way to verify it |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Please go to this link: HUD 1983, from the Fed. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. except that "budget authority" does NOT represent an actual amount spent |
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Morereason (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
179. Come on now... Part of the strategy was also not to spend what had been authorized |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #179 |
212. part of "whose" strategy |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. Try this Link with your major problem |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. thank you, now I totally feel vindicated |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. As I understand, the budget authority affects their ability to carry |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. that sounds kinda like privatization |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Yeah, I'm getting the impression something like that was the effect. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. WOW!!! You are actually saying that the homelessness caused by Raygun was "imaginary"? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. homelessness is not imaginary |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #104 |
156. Raygun and his cronies (who weren't convicted until later) were the culprits, pure and simple!! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #156 |
172. the "blame" for Carter comes from the same place |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #90 |
121. "kinda disgusting to see how much money the government spends on housing subsidies for the wealthier |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. well, it is at the link |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Fantastic. Thank you so much! This is a great help to me in a project I'm |
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Utopian Leftist (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
69. Thank you so much! |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. I read every word of this |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. When he fired the Air Traffic Controllers it became |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Yep... |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
79. I dont know if anyone else remembers this, but when Regan got elected |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
83. The root cause of most of our problems is the offshoring of manufacturing jobs which created ... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Don't forget the War on Iraq and the Tax Cuts for the Rich...one big ball of crap! |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
113. Excellent Perspective, and absolutely correct |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #113 |
159. Not if he doesn't include IRAQ!!! n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
117. That's not the root cause of homelessness. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. The conditions you noted are not the ROOT cause, but the result of exported jobs and huge deficits. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. I beg to differ. The real HOUSING CRISIS was before Nafta, et al. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #123 |
143. If you are out of work or work for minimum wage, you can't afford any housing, low-income or not. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
157. The root of the problem is a combination and Iraq would be at the top! n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #143 |
197. What jobs were being exported in the 1960s, since you insist on this? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. BLASPHEMER! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. and catsup bottles, it is a vegetable after all.... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
85. Remind me again.... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Are you defending Raygun?! Please say it isn't so.... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
201. No, I'm defending accuracy |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
92. Hmmmm... 65 billion... what might government be doing with that money? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
118. And, once again, stopping the war does NOT automatically mean the $$ would be put into housing for |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. The point was that defunding housing helped feed St. Raygun's war machine |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Ah, you were talking about the other wars... there are so many, it's easy to get confused. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. I was talking about them all |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
158. 81% ARE awake and have been complaining for years...maybe "they" weren't listening? |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
101. "True charity means more |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
119. Where does that quote come from? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. not sure where the quote is from |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. mlk? n/t |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. MLK said it. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
114. Wonderful post!!!! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
127. all "trickle-down economics" means is that the people on the bottom are getting pissed on. |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
139. K&R n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
144. Deleted message |
1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
146. Reagan - No wonder the rich adore him! |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
147. Outstanding post |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
148. IM A REPUBLICAN AND I DONT BELIEVE THIS CRAP |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. I read Ayn Rand and I agree |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
152. Bless you |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
161. Reagan did create homelessness in Houston |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
163. Part of Raygun "getting big govt. out of our pockets"..... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
164. OK, we know that happened, but that's in the past. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. It lingers and that's what people don't understand...it takes YEARS to overcome being homeless... |
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boilerbabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
166. This is a great post.. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
167. Thanks! |
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greengestalt (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
173. Bring back Marx, or invite Muhammed |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
174. FUCK! I was too busy at my "new economy" job to catch this in time to recommend. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #174 |
198. Thank you greyhound, 1966!!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
177. Great post. Thank you for your work for change. REC. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
183. It's funny, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #183 |
199. If we were to all recognize the truth in what you are saying, we would indeed have HOPE! |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #183 |
211. Reagan was a symptom, not the disease. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
184. you are a very dangerous person to the establishment |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
185. Until Ronald Reagen is something, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #185 |
216. And how is that going to happen? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-06-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
219. We have to overcome the brainwashing. This is not America. n/t |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
220. Kick |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
221. There are a lot of mentally ill on the streets in Los Angeles... |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-07-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
222. Thom Hartmann gave this piece a strong shout-out and commentary!! |
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