I support Air America and their action on Randi but not for her "comedy bit"

[Botany]

I watched the video of Randi's "stand up act" and thought it was
funny and geared to the crowd she was working. Hillary and company
have been every bit as nasty as Karl Rove and the republicans
have been and that is the group she is supposed to be running
against. So Hillary is just geeting karmic pay back for being nasty
by Randi.

I think she should be disciplined because of how she treats
some of her callers and that her ego has become out of control.
Randi has a great grasp of the facts but when somebody who is
on "our side" calls in and his or her knowledge base doesn't measure
up she rips them a new ass and seems to get some sort of enjoyment
out of doing so.

Progressive radio unlike NPR needs it's listeners to patronize the
businesses that take the risk to advertise on a fairly new medium
and insulting the listeners and callers is not a good thing.



" ..... and now you know the rest of the story."

[mmonk]

1. But that's not why she was removed.

So the actions were wrong IMO.

[Ravy]

2. Don't you realize that Clinton supporters see Obama through the

same filter that you see Clinton?

They see his lies, exaggerations, dirty campaign tricks just like you see Hillary's, and they discount and excuse Hillary's just like Obama's supporters discount and excuse his.

I am not emotionally invested in either. I think Hillary's Boznia lies are bad, I see Obama's lies in taking credit for Dodd's bill as bad.

I also see good points in both candidates.

If you try to excuse bad behavior just because the person who does it agrees with you, then you are opening up the field for supporters of the other camp to excuse the same bad behavior directed towards your candidate.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. !!!

:thumbsup: :applause:

[Donnachaidh]

4. Exactly!

:thumbsup: :applause: :yourock:

[Botany]

5. Oh please

"They see his lies, exaggerations, dirty campaign tricks just like you see Hillary's, and they discount and excuse Hillary's just like Obama's supporters discount and excuse his."

Obama made Hillary do a sit down w/ Richard Mellon Scaife?
Obama made Bill Clinton go on Rush Limbaugh?
Obama made Sen Bob Kerry bring up madrases in conjunction
about himself?
Obama made Hillary lie about NAFTA?
Obama made Hillary's campaign run stuff in Texas Spanish papers
that he was muslim devil worshiper?
Obama made Hillary say the Florida & Michigan shouldn't count?


BTW I don't see Hillary Clinton through any filter because her actions and the acts of
her campaign tell me everything I need to know about her.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. But you do use filters and spin

Bill did not 'go on Rush Limbaugh'. He just did not. Tapes of many people are played duing Rush's show. Bill did no interview with Rush, nor on Rush's show. A tape was played, and there is a difference. Obama does the religious shows out of Robertson's camp. And he does 'go on' them. I myself do not like either the replayed tape of Bill, or the TBN 700 Club stuff at all.
Obama ran events where a minority group was held up for religious based ridicule at length and without contest nor apology, using as his hand picked surroagte a preacher who revels in his closeness to GW Bush and in fact was used by Bush to represent the antigay crowd by singing to and for George W Bush on national television at the Republican National Convention 2004, while I was trying to defeat GW and elect a Democrat.
To you, using humans as a wedge to bait religious bigots is a non issue. To me, the candidates look to be neck in neck on the nasty scale, with Obama tossing the opening hardball directly at my family.
To me, you seem selective in you criticisms, and willing to dismiss major Democratic voter bases and principles when it serves your candidate's agenda. Suddenly the Religious Right is fine and dandy, continued use of Blackwater Mercs is now wonderful, Single Payer is an unattainable joke, and while Pelosi and Reid were vile cowards for continued war funding, Obama was just 'supporting the troops with armor' with his funding votes.
I could trash both of them or praise either. But the notion that one is perfect and campaigning clean is fully insane, no matter which one is being held as good or evil.
So keep thinking you see with clarity and fullness, I'm sure you are in terms of what is important to you. Assuming the same things are important to all is delusional. I'm against Blackwater and remain so. Funding the war was an act of cowardice, no matter who did it. Dogmatic hate preachers from one religious faction should not be influencing political speech in a mulit cultrual mulit-faith society, be the politician Bush or Obama.
So you dig the 700 Club and Mercenary troops paid to kill on our dime. I don't. You favor massive expansion of nuclear energy and coal mining. I don't. You are fine with gay baiting for votes. I'm not. I'm a Progressive. You are an Obamacan. I'm a Democrat. You are for Obama, even if the principles are all Cheney's energy bill and views on equality.
Why do you want to keep paying hired killers 10x what our troops get, in Iraq for at least several years? How did you get to support Blackwater, as you and your candidate do? What is your thinking about the use of Evangelical preachers to divide Democrats into groups of good and of sinners at actual Democratic events? If another candidate has an Evangelist that wants to preach against Mexicans, is that cool too? Or is it just gay people that are ok to slander and call it Democratic?

[Botany]

17. I don't have a clue what you are writing about.

Maybe I am stupid but what is the point to your post?

can you boil it down for me into a paragraph or two...

[Ravy]

9. When you put it that way....

Hillary made Obama's staff change a Clinton quote and then said it was racist (the fairy tale)?
Hillary made Obama's staff push to the media that a Clinton compliment of LBJ was somehow racist.

Obama supporters cringe when Hillary talks to Scaife and Limbaugh, but freely support Obama meeting without any pre-conditions to the worst dictators in the world.

Clinton made Obama make the remark that "Periodically, she is feeling down"

Hillary made Obama lie about NAFTA?

I haven't seen the link about muslim devil worshipers, sorry.

Hillary made Obama say that Florida and Michigan *wouldn't* count. (PS. I didn't see where Hillary say they shouldn't count).

Your stuff is valid, too. Like I say, there is criticism for *both* sides. But, there is a lot of good on both sides, too.

[liberal1973]

13. Yes you are

You have your little Edwards sig there. I mean come on your just as infatuated with Edwards as others are with Clinton and Obama.

[Ravy]

20. Absolutely!

I don't discount myself from looking though filters, particularly when there were lots of Edwards posts. It is human nature.

Points for your candidate are the utmost importance.
Points against are blah, blah, blah.

We all do it.

[Breeze54]

6. So, you support the Thought Police?

Who will you call when you are punished for what you say, when not at your job or whatever it is you do?

[Winterblues]

8. If my employees say something I deem inexcusable I will fire them.

They may have a right to say what they want but they don't have a "right" to work for me. I will not allow any of my employees to discuss politics with customers, I will not allow my employees to use abusive or vulgar language around my customers, I will not allow my employees to smoke cigarettes around customers. I have a "right" to establish policy and behavioral standards for my business. Air America has exactly the same "right".

[Breeze54]

10. But Randi was on her own dime, at a private function, not an AAR function.

You'd fire your employee's for what they say when not at work? :wow:

And you hang out at a progressive Democratic messageboard?

[Winterblues]

11. I don't think you have the slightest clue what progressive means

You sound like you arwe filled with hatred and bitterness which is not progressive. Please explain how belittling others is a progressive ideal..Randi was exceptionally good at that as is Rush and Coulter and Savage and Boortz. How many times did Jesus do that?

[Breeze54]

12. You are way over the top, reactionary.

If you think firing your employee's for what they say on their off time is OK,
then you are not progressive at all nor Democratic, imho.

[liberal1973]

14. No you have no fucking clue

Randi Rhodes is a true liberal. You're exactly like the people at MyDD that raps for o'liely at the sametime they declare themselves a Democrat or liberal.

[EFerrari]

19. Entertainers who generate negative publicity are never on their own dime.

That's just how the business works.

Firing her would be over the top but even that wouldn't be too unsual.

[liberal1973]

15. Harvey?

That guy is a right winger. Not to mention a far righter.

[orleans]

16. please. you want her "disciplined" because of how she treats callers?

and because her ego is out of control?

spare me.

[Elspeth]

18. Obviously the poster has never heard of John Kobylt on KFI radio in LA

He and his sidekick have the most successful talk radio show in drivetime, but John is always abusive to callers. No one has suspended the guy so far and it's been over a decade.