Flashback: Kucinich to Introduce Impeachment of Bush Before State of the Union January 28

[Fireweed247]

Does anyone else remember this?? What happened??


In a brazen show of courage, Congressman Kucinich took to the House Floor yesterday and called Bush and Cheney the liars that they are.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWv-efvKoGA

"The President and Vice President lied and 4,000 of our soldiers died. The President and Vice President lied and a million innocent Iraqis died in a war that'll cost us two trillion dollars while people here in the states are losing their jobs, their health care, their homes, their dignity. Lies are weapons of mass destruction. Lies are also an impeachable offence. Monday, January 28th is the State of the Union. We already know the State of the Union, it's a lie."


They stopped Kucinich from speaking the truth into Congressional record- but now it is time for the American people to match Kucinich in strength and courage and show up in numbers at the State of the Union. It is time the end the era of standing ovations for the liar and traitor in chief. We must show Congress that we have had enough and that if they do not Impeach Bush and Cheney, they will answer to the American people.

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The Cleveland Plain Dealer even covered it

Kucinich causes House floor fuss in announcing Bush impeachment drive
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/01/kucinich_causes_fuss_in_announ.html

[sharesunited]

1. This post is the past.

[Fireweed247]

2. that was my point

Why did Kucinich back out at the last minute, and what is he doing about it now?

[MADem]

6. He had no backing for the effort. He's trying to hold on to his seat. NT

[Fireweed247]

7. Headline News today -80% think Country is heading the wrong direction

Bush has no support, only the backwash wouldn't vote for Kucinich because he pursued Impeachment. The clear majority would support Impeachment efforts. This is the same tired excuse that Conyers and others use, but it makes no logical sense. The majority want our Congress to do their damn jobs.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. The majority elected a Democratic Congress after the promise to not impeach was made

[Fireweed247]

12. People didn't vote for Dems because they promised not to Impeach

We the people wanted to stop the mindless enabling of the murderers in our government.

The people want Impeachment. The Constitution Demands Impeachment.

[KharmaTrain]

20. "The People"...

Nice projection...I didn't get the memo in '06 that if Democrats were elected their job was to impeach. I doubt many of my friends and neighbors...especially the former Repugnicans voted for that. Everyone votes for different reasons...some, like yours truly, wanted to end GOOP corruption, period...Get them out of power in the House...oust the group that passed ther regressive bankruptcy bill that has landed thousands without homes...and to challenge this regime by cutting off funding and doing oversight. But that's me...I don't speak for anyone else...and, I definitely don't think I or anyone else can speak or think for "the people".

Also, where's that "Demand Impeachment" passage...damn, they never covered that in my Constitutuion classes.

[MADem]

14. So? What does that have to do with impeachment?

Bush's numbers are holding fairly steady at around 28 percent. About the same as always. Lotsa clueless fools, and people who don't pay attention.

The clear majority do NOT support impeachment. If they did, it would have happened already.

It's not a "same tired excuse"--it's REALITY. I know you don't accept this, but it is the truth. I won't argue the point with you, but that's just the way it is.

If you don't believe me, you look me up when impeachment happens and rub my nose in it. Bookmark this thread and come back at me. I'll bet a goodly sum that I'll not be hearing from you on this matter.

The Devil We Know, Lame Duck in a Box, is manageable. The majority on the Hill want him to be held accountable to history for all his misdeeds in office. Taking him out now would give him the "I had a secret plan to end the war and restore prosperity in six short months, but the Do Nothing CONGRESS thwarted me!" excuse. He's finally checked and balanced, and a checked and balanced President has a tough time doing much damage. His biggest check is Charlie Rangel, who holds the purse strings and is delighted to pull them shut at the slightest provocation.

[Fireweed247]

15. You actually believe Congress is answering to the will of the people?

"The clear majority do NOT support impeachment. If they did, it would have happened already"

[MADem]

16. Well, if they aren't, then the "will of the people" is that the people have no will.

Every two years, "the people" are given an opportunity to change their legislators in the House. If "the will of the people" were being ignored, all those people who voted against, or otherwise opposed, any impeachment proceedings would be GONE now--and replaced by those who would DO "the will of the people."

They're NOT, though, are they? We keep adding Dems every two years, but they aren't any more "inclined" towards impeachment than those who were there before them.

I think you're confusing "The Will of the People" with "The Will of MartyL."

There's no critical mass for your desires. Sorry. That's just the way it is.

[Fireweed247]

17. The majority want an end to this illegal immoral war- does Congress listen?

And I don't think that I am the only one that wants Bush to be held accountable.

[Yukari Yakumo]

21. You need a serious lesson in civics

1. Impeachment won't happen. PERIOD. The support is not there. Neither in Congress nor by the public. Plus any attempt at passing Articles of Impeachment is doomed to fail. Without a slam-dunk of a case, a lot of Dems will not support it.

2. Saying Congress can end the war is complete idiocy. Sure they can cut the funding, but Chimpy is the only one who can end it. And trust me, funding or no funding, he'll press on with the war.

[MADem]

22. Do the people feel that is a deal breaker? Plainly, no. They return THEIR legislators to their

seats every two years. Even those who vote AGAINST impeachment, again and again.

Don't blame the legislators--blame their constituents. No one is tossing these guys out on their ears and replacing them with people who promise impeachment.

At some point, you have to look at constituencies. You can't keep blaming a "do-nothing" congress when a do-nothing electorate keeps voting them in.

[Toasterlad]

18. Are You Saying Congress Won't Impeach Bush Because They Want to Be Able to Say...

..."Hah hah, we told you so?"

Doesn't that strike you as a little insane?

[MADem]

24. No. They simply don't see "the need." And don't shoot the fucking messenger!

If they SAW the need, the deed would be done.

Yet it is NOT done, and it will NOT BE done.

There is an element of "giving him enough rope to hang himself" certainly. And history will hang him, as the worst President ever.

He is effectively constrained by a Democratic legislature. There is little he can do without Congress. Charlie Rangel has his wallet, you see.

[Toasterlad]

25. Are You Even Living In the Same Dimension?

Seems to me Bush has gotten pretty much every damn thing he wanted out of Congress, before and AFTER 2006. Want to point out any serious cases where Congress has "constrained" him?

[MADem]

26. He hasn't gotten everything he wants.

If he did, the draft would be well underway and we'd be halfway to Tehran by now.

[seemslikeadream]

4. OMG now the past is 3 months

[Fireweed247]

5. someone/something stopped him

I am curious as to who/what??

It has only been three months? We don't have much more time to prove we are a nation of laws. Then there is the issue of trying to stop the bastards from attacking Iran...

[robcon]

8. What stopped him was his re-election campaign.

Impeachment is a loser in his congressional election, so he backed away, IMO.

[seemslikeadream]

10. and a little of this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=195889&mesg_id=195889

[Fireweed247]

13. Kucinich promised 9/11 hearings and raised money based on it

That is another thing he promised and has not come through on.

A growing number of Americans are questioning the events on 9/11, even Republicans.

Kucinich is supported in these efforts.

[Fireweed247]

11. "Impeachment is a loser in his congressional election" Says who?

This is just a talking point excuse for doing nothing.

[robcon]

23. Impeachment is a loser nationally (that's why Pelosi and Reid won't allow it.)

If there were impeachment hearings, or a trial in the Senate, the Presidency and control of Congress would be at risk this November. That's the opinion of senior Democrats, and I agree.

[sharesunited]

19. Family loss, too. Death of his brother.

[backscatter712]

3. It might be time to bring this to the floor again.

The corporatists beat on Kucinich by trying to hit him with a primary challenge in his district.

Well, now's he's won. Many of us gave money to Kucinich's reelection effort, and beat down the corrupt sacks of shit that tried to unseat him.

I'm thinking it may be time to fire up the impeachment machine again.