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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:44 PM
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Will Bob Barr Be McCain's Very Own Ralph Nader in 2008?
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Will Bob Barr Be McCain's Very Own Ralph Nader in 2008?

Posted by Howie Klein, Down With Tyranny! at 2:07 PM on April 4, 2008.


How badly will another cranky old right-winger in the presidential race hurt McCain? Looks like we're about to find out. Far right extremist, Georgia ex-Congressman Bob Barr, has been muttering darkly of late about how the Insider GOP Establishment has abandoned conservative principles. He happens to think McCain has morphed into George Bush and agrees that a McCain presidency would basically just be a third term for Bush. He's been talking openly about running for president as an independent and this weekend he is expected to announce his candidacy at the Heartland Libertarian Conference in Kansas City, where he is scheduled to speak.

"There's been a tremendous expressed to me both directly and indirectly on the Internet. I take that support very seriously, and I think it also reflects a great deal of dissatisfaction with the current candidates and the current two-party system. So it is something, to be honest with you, that I'm looking very seriously at... Ron Paul tapped into a great deal of that dissatisfaction and that awareness. Unfortunately, working through the Republican party structure, it became impossible for him to really move forward with his movement. But we have to have ....a rallying point out there to harness that energy, that freedom in this election cycle.

"What we've fallen into in recent years-- not just since 9/11, but particularly since 9/11-- is this notion that, in order to protect ourselves, we have to preemptively go into and-- in the case of Iraq-- occupy another sovereign nation. Simply saying, 'Gee, it's better to fight over in this other nation and destroy another nation, so we're not potentially attacked here, is the height of arrogance."


Today's Moonie Times speculates that a Barr bid could hurt McCain's already slim chances to slip into the White House. He would probably negate whatever benefit McCain would get from Nader's run, although progressives overwhelmingly blame Nader for all the damage Bush has caused and are unlikely to vote for him in any significant way. He's unlikely to break even 1% of the vote anywhere. Barr, an NRA board member and a hero to rabid Clinton-haters, would probably attract far more voters among Republicans than Nader would among Democrats. Most Democrats are happy with either Obama, the likely winner, or Clinton. Many Republicans, especially the dominant conservative wing, are still mistrustful of McCain.

Republican campaign pros said a Barr bid could range from causing them some damage all the way to being the equivalent of Ross Perot's 1992 presidential bid, which many Republicans think split their party's voters, unseating then-President Bush and electing Democrat Bill Clinton.


Gun rights fanatics don't like McCain and there are plenty of Republicans who have been schooled by extremists like Limbaugh to hate McCain for his "support" for campaign finance reform. The Moonies interviewed Michigan's crackpot Republican Party Chairman Saul Anuzis, who said Barr would do well in fascist-leaning states like Texas but it wouldn't matter because McCain would win by a big enough margin there to triumph anyway. Anuzis apparently hasn't been watching the demographic shifts in certain parts of the country. In any case, he acknowledges that where Barr would kill McCain's chances are in the swing states, GOP strategists are counting on-- Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:46 PM
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1. Actually, Barr is rather interesting. He seems to be a real conservative, not a neocon
And as such, he is ticked off at the abuse of the Bush government of American civil liberties.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:57 PM
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2. Go fer it, Bob! James Dobson, Tony Perkins and others will support
Please, please, please.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:02 PM
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4. I don't know, I don't imagine Dobson or Perkins like Barr's views on civil liberties too much
Barr is a nutcase, but he has also been quite outspoken against the Bush Administrations violations of the Constitution. I don't know that he would be able to win the fascists in the Dobson crowd, he could however take away some Republican votes from other factions.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:59 PM
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3. A Bob Barr run for the WH would be absolutely devasting to the McCain campaign especially if,
as reported earlier this week, Ron Paul may endorse him should he choose to run.

I was scanning the AM dial yesterday and caught hannity hyping an upcoming interview with Barr. I stuck around to listen to Barr and he left little doubt in my mind that he is going to announce very soon.

I think hannity 'threw-up in his own mouth' a couple of times when Barr proclaimed he 'didn't care' if it caused McCain the WH and GOP turmoil.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:03 PM
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5. His presence would definitely jazz this race up. All the more reason
for Dems to get off the pot and pick someone.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:16 PM
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6. Maybe enough to keep Georgia out of the win column for McCain?
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zazen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:16 PM
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7. I'm sorry, but all I can see is his face after eating the human "breast-milk" cheese
But yes, he did criticize the neo-cons when it wasn't popular. So I give him kudos for that. And for being a good sport, I assume, with Sasha Baron Cohen.

Isn't he part African American but won't come out about it? It's not like I care, but that's got to do a number on somebody to have to go through that tension about racial identity.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:05 PM
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8. Hmm
would it be worth donating to his campaign?

...where Barr would kill McCain's chances are in the swing states, GOP strategists are counting on-- Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:12 PM
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9. Barr-Paul '08
Dream Team
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:17 PM
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10. Hey, it 'could' happen! nt
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:22 PM
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11. Plus, he's black
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:55 PM
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16. So? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:23 PM
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12. Nobody ought to laugh at Barr
He could do serious stuff in the race. Maybe even beat Nader's numbers.

I don't like the guy at all, but he is an honest arch conservative/libertarian. He seems to genuinely dislike/distrust bush.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:46 PM
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13. I recognize the possibilities and am not laughing. nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:50 PM
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14. I didn't mean you. I'm sorry if it came off that way.
It was the more general, plural 'you' not the singular one.

Mea culpa.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:54 PM
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15. I know you didn't. But I do recognize the pros and cons of Barr
getting in. I cannot wait til this is over, and 'my' candidate is elected. :P
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:03 PM
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17. My name is mmonk and I approve of this message.
Good news.
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