I'm about to tell off in very ugly words, a GOP couple that are major hypocrites

[Sarah Ibarruri]

Here's my problem.....

I'm livid.

Certain people I know who are evangelical GOP Christians, and quite rabid, pea-soup spewing demon whackos when it comes to being "Pro-Life" (anti-abortion), have recently paid for and become pregnant using in vitro.

For those who aren't aware of it, in vitro is more of a "killer" of life than regular clinic abortions (if you're going to look at life that way). If Christian evangelical GOP whackos are measuring life by the creation then disposal of embryos, then in vitro is a more efficient killing abortive method than regular, ordinary, abortion clinic abortion.

These people I'm talking about have bashed me up and down for being in favor of women's bodily rights. However, I came to find out they have killed "lives" in a test tube in order to get pregnant and kept it SECRET. Then, I found out that churches are FILLED with these pro-lifers having in vitro!!!!!

I'm ready to lay into this hypocritical couple big time and let them know what scuzzbuckets they are for being such assholes and hypocrites about being "pro-life" then getting busy killing embryos to have their own offspring.

Why does no one talk about this? I would wager to say that Christian GOP whackos are greater users of in vitro because their Christian culture almost forces them to have kids for show. Theirs is an image they have to portray and kids are a part of that image.

I'm this close to letting these people know exactly what I think, and I think we ought to spread the word church-going "pro-life" hypocrites are busy "killing" the same embryos they are claiming they want to save.

[NoodleBoy]

1. have at 'em.

The movement which allowed a woman to choose if she wants to have a pregnancy or not also made it possible for married, permanent, religious couples to get pregnant in vitro.

If I remember right, there was a huge backlash against the procedure when it first became available, what with being not natural-- ie, not allowing "randomness" (ie, god) have a part in the creation of an embryo.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. I don't recall the initial backlash against in vitro....

The real backlash should have been that it "kills" embryos trying to get a woman pregnant. I think that needs to be pointed out to these scumbag pro-life freaks who are using in vitro.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. I say go for it!

Telling off right wing hypocrites is fun! :)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. It is. I think I'll plot something, then let them have it. nt

[Dr.Phool]

3. Let 'em have it! Big time.

I never thought about it before, but you're right.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Thanks! nt

[Quantess]

4. It's best to calm down first.

Don't use "ugly words" because then you'll just seem hateful.
If you think you'll lose your temper, perhaps a reasoned, well edited, sensible letter would be better?

Then leave it alone. These people may be harmful to your health! :)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. These people *ARE* harmful to everyone's health! They're scumbags! nt

[China_cat]

26. I agree

But you might get a real zinger in there by innocently asking 'how many embroyos were necessary before one took?"

[Sarah Ibarruri]

51. Good question! Thanks! nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. And they probably oppose stem cell research as well

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. Oh no doubt, unless it's they who are going thru Parkinson's, and then

they take their money and secretly go have done whatever they want. GOP Xian assholes. They're bottomfeeders.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. No surprises here.

The repukes are all about cover for manifold hypocrisies. Why shouldn't their churches and their religions be as well?

I was talking yesterday to a new businessman in the neighborhood. He's Egyptian, a Coptic Christian. Lovely fellow, too. He and his people and his church have been through some real brutal trials in Egypt, with the growth of fundamental Islam. he hasn't a bad thing to say about Islamic people, however. "In our church, we love our transgressors and pray for them". In truth, when have you heard and believed that from a fundagelical in the US? By their stripes, ye shall know them and all that, right? I believed this guy. He was quietly real.

Go over to Google Videos and watch a film called "Cocaine Cowboys". A startling documentary that will explain much to you.. Pay close attention to the Anglo-Saxons and others in this film. They are a lot more informative about where we are today than the hispanic people in the film. Pay especially close attention to "John" and his words towards the end of the film. You will learn a lot about the present-day repukes.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. You're right. And thank you. I will watch that film. nt

[CC]

7. Instead of telling them off why not

congratulate them on their new arrival, then talk to them nicely about the hypocrisy of using in-vitro while trying to tell others that they should not have control over their bodies. Ask them how they came to terms with the "failed" life as they went through the in-vitro procedures. If you do it nicely, act like you really want to understand their thinking behind it all you have a better chance at causing them to rethink their beliefs than telling them off could ever do. It may not work but in the process they will have to at least think about it all. Including history on how antiin-vitro so many religious leaders once were, what happens to unused embryos etc. gives them that much more to mull over. It may take a long time for them to change but it just might happen.

Also, some of the most rabid anti-abortion people I know are people that desperately want kids and can not have them no matter their religious belief. A large part of the stance is their own emotions about not being able to have kids and their inability to wrap their minds around anyone not wanting to bring a life created into the world. When you are hurting on one side of the issue it is very hard to put yourself in the pace of someone on the opposite side.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. Their bundle of joy brought at the expense of other embryos has not arrived yet

In fact, she's having ANOTHER right wing extremist Christian Bible banging GOP "pro-lifer" inject her with hormones because the bundle of joy isn't going to stay put in her uterus if she doesn't get these injections. Both are rabid "pro-lifers."

You're right about trying to have a conversation with them, however, I have a feeling they'll get defensive.

My idea is to start a group to point out these Christians aborting via in vitro and telling them about it. I know I'm not being nice, but they're pure scumbags.

[CC]

21. It is hard to try to reason with the

unreasonable most of the time but it has worked for me more often than I ever thought it would. I also know too many people that would kill for a baby. Yes I meant it to be put that way since one friend puts it that way and it scares her to feel like that. Most I know are not antiabortion but even they struggle with it when they want so much.
If they get defensive then you know they see the hypocrisy behind their actions. The hardest part is not slapping them upside the head to try to shake the brains up a bit to see if they will start working. If they cause you too much anger it is best to stay away from them. Beating you head against a wall won't change their mind but will give you a headache.

Good idea on the group though. If more of them were hit with their own hypocrisy it would change more of their minds.
Edited to add- And it might catch some peoples attention before they get to far down that road to brainless hypocrisy.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. Thank you. You're right. Please recommend this thread if you get a chance

At least so people become aware of the hypocrisy involved in being anti-abortion yet having in vitro.

[CTyankee]

33. They will probably argue that at least they will save ONE embryo

from being killed. They will say that the embryos were doomed anyway, so they are doing the good, Christian thing by trying to save one's life.

(In response, of course, you could probably suggest that by taking part on the process they are "part of the problem, not the solution.").

People are in denial about their own actions, tho. We have, and always have had, hypocrisy when it comes to these things.

[GoneOffShore]

34. In respect of this may I suggest

That you employ the Socratic method rather than confronting them.

If your relationship is such that you can ask questions and get answers from them, of course.

It might lead them into knowledge of their hypocrisy backwards.

http://www.garlikov.com/Soc_Meth.html

[flygal]

66. And they'll claim it's God's will

:eyes:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

74. Oh no doubt. They'll claim God wanted them to kill embryos in order for their special

someone to be born. GOP Christians are arrogant monsters.

[NMDemDist2]

12. and there are so many children who need parents that are ALREADY born!

they should have taken that money they gave to a lab and given it to an adoption agency!!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. TThey can't. They're what's called, "cultural Christians", into wealth,

into seeking out the poor and helpless as their scapegoats so they can feel better, and they're into everything materialistic you can possibly name. Having their own genetic children so they can parade them around in their expensive clothes is part of their cultural bs. They're pure assholes.

[Lex]

16. It's hypocritical mainly because they are not ADOPTING.

If they want other women to be forced into bearing babies, then they damn well better be ready to adopt and take care of 5 or 6 themselves.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. That's not what GOP fascist churchpeople are about....

GOP fascist churchpeople (also called, "cultural Christians" I'm told), are about money, materialism, scapegoating, and being evil hypocrites. Nothing else to them really.

[China_cat]

28. When asked how many of the non-aborted, non-wanted

babies a local 'pro-life' group was adopting, we got told that that wasn't their responsibility, despite their insistance that babies should be offered for adoption rather than having a fetus aborted.

It was only their responsibility to make sure every fetus gets born, not to have a hand in making sure they have a life.

[Quantess]

29. Their "responsibility" is to make sure the careless sluts get what they deserve: An unwanted baby.

Whether the baby has a decent life is not the issue.

[Wednesdays]

32. Bingo...it has always been about social status and sexual activity

Never concern over the welfare of the baby

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. Exactly. nt

[tavalon]

50. Exactly!

Control of women has always been their motivation. Hidden in plain sight.

[Quantess]

68. It took some analysis to figure it out.

When I was younger, I took "pro-life Christians" at face value we LOVE all fetuses!! Jesus loves those little fetuses!!

But I was naive in junior high through high school, because I was raised to believe that every baby should be wanted. My parents were really sweet and nice, and foreign born Europeans, but they weren't really Christians. Unintended pregnancy or intended pregnancy, the baby should be wanted or at least accepted, and if not, then abortion sounds like an option.

I was raised to believe that babies are the best little jewels of life, but my mom is so pro-baby that she thinks abortion is sometimes the best option. I can't say I disagree.

[Quantess]

69. Part 2:

But when you question.... why does my pro-choice mother care SO MUCH about loving and goodness and well being for babies and children that it's almost nauseating, LOL!! Dear Mom, sometimes your love for babies is a bit much, but until I have a baby...okay maybe I will understand then.

And over yonder, people are loudly protesting abortion. Please calm down and ask yourself, what exactly is it about abortion that I don't like? If you answered "It's about th' killin' of babies!" then that is too easy.

[Quantess]

70. If you are anti -abortion, please ask deep down within yourself,

"what are my motives?"

[NOLALady]

31. They say there are no American babies to adopt.

[Berry Cool]

35. Ah. so they have to have AMERICAN babies, do they?

Are babies from other countries not good enough? Don't they feel any urge to take a baby from some other country and give it a wonderful life within these United States?

Man oh man. These people are the absolute WORST kind of hypocrite.

[NOLALady]

38. Actually, I was being a bit sarcastic.

I've met people who said they wanted to adopt but couldn't afford to adopt from overseas.

When I pointed out that there are more American black babies available for adoption in the United States than there are families interested in adopting them, they gave me many reasons why they could not consider those babies.

[silverojo]

19. Do it!

Call them baby killers, anything you like. It's time to start giving them a taste of the hatred they spew at everyone else.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Oh I'm going to do something. You can count on that.

I just don't know yet exactly what that something will be, but I'll do something to make this known. People need to know this level of hypocrisy.

Please click to recommend my original post (first post) so it will be seen by more people and others will be aware of what these right wing Christans are secretly up to while they're stopping women from going into clinics.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. Recommend this post so people can get out there and tell others

what GOP Christians are secretly doing while they're stopping women from getting to clinics.

[seabeyond]

24. there is hypocrisy all over abortion issue. one mom i was talking to... i asked

some man rapes your angie, are you having her carry the baby. i made it a little more graphic and said in a way i KNOW she would not allow her daughter to have the baby but not gonna say it here. the woman says.... that is HORRIBLE you would ask me that. regardless i say, you will validate an abortion for this

my father arguing anti abortion tells me if i was 2 weeks preg with my two boys 2 and 4 and i was told if i didn't abort i would die, leave my babies without mom and dad to have to do both jobs, .... he says thats life. two month later he finds out 15 yr old niece he is raising is preg and suggest abortion, sends her to mom to get one. why mess up the child's life and they are legal still, after all.

i love the hypocrisy when they use rape as an excuse to have one. they state murder, but cause the female didn't consent to the sex she is allowed to "murder". i say, then it is not a moral issue, it is a punishment issue for a female being too easy. they dont like the argument

many want to say only in case of womans health. again hypocrisy. cannot rationalize murder. the woman must die

the whole abortion issue is rampant with hypocrisy

and you have another very strong point.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. They are definitely hypocrites. I had already heard the thing about rape

How they can feel it's pro-life to abort when the child is raped, and not if the person is not, is beyond me.

[BR_Parkway]

25. Yet they won't adopt a child that someone else couldn't raise but didn't

want to have an abortion. Why am I not surprised?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

41. Oh of course not. Part of the reason is that most of these people are white....

... and they want white, perfect children. They know the chances of having that through adoption are not good, so they kill off a few embryos using in vitro. Hypocrites, all.

[Ikonoklast]

27. Why didn't they just go out and buy a couple of kids?

You know, like Chief Justice Roberts?

Little blonde Aryans to parade in front of the camera.

"Lookie here, I'm a Hetero Male! I have proof!"





Oops, wrong pic.....here ya go!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

42. Justice Roberts adopted those kids?

Where'd they get healthy, blonde kids?

Also, is Roberts gay? He looks like he's having a warm cozy party in that first pic!

[alphafemale]

67. I also thought it was really strange that the kids were dressed like it was 1954.

And that the girl seemed encouraged to be fearful and meek, while the boy was allowed to act out with no attempt to rein him in.

The mother just stood there with downcast eyes.

[dsc]

30. what if it is a snowflake baby?

Then presumedly you wouldn't have the failures etc. I prefer the non confrontational approach mentioned by others.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

43. What's a snowflake baby? nt

[dsc]

45. those frozen embros being implanted

[Sarah Ibarruri]

48. Oh ok thanks nt

[Ilsa]

36. I bet this couple will try to tell you that they will donate their

little snowflakes to some other couple, but then you could challenge them on who is "good enough" to raise their offspring.

[Kitty Herder]

37. And I don't see couples lining up for someone else's little snowflakes. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. Oh heck no. These are the most selfish a-holes you can imagine.

They wouldn't donate anything.

[malaise]

39. I love this thread

You should write a letter to the newspaper as well and expose their double standards.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

46. I think I will. nt

[tavalon]

49. Yes, it looks hypocritical,

but in fact, they never were in it to "save the babies", they were in it to control women. This is just another way to keep 'em barefoot and pregnant. :hide: :sarcasm: (sort of. The part about controlling women is true, the barefoot and pregnant is the flamebait)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. Precisely! They were never really in it to save babies

You're absolutely correct that they were in it to control women. As a woman I don't understand the psyche of females who are right wing fascist "pro-life" Christians. But I REALLY detest those females that are right wing fascist "pro-life" Christians and have in vitro done. They're the lowest of the scum because they know full well that in vitro is an abortion in their "pro-life" definition of abortion.

[Mnemosyne]

53. It is very frustrating to deal with Pro-back alley abortion supporters!

Good luck Sarah!:hug:

Tact: the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them thank you for it! :evilgrin:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

58. It is, because they're liars and sociopaths. Btw, I love your quote! nt

[Stinky The Clown]

54. Hit them with "Adoption"

There are millions of kids in need of parents who want them.

Oh ..... I forgot ...... they may not be white Christian babies.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

57. That's exactly right. If they're not white babies, these Repugnican Xians don't want them nt

[mitchtv]

55. While you're at it

show them some pictures of Iraqi children maimed by pro life bombing.
My deram is a Sunday morning picket line in front of our local fundy/or Catholic church with lurid pictures

[Sarah Ibarruri]

59. Exactly. Don't forget that these are also the same people in favor of death penalty

I have no respect for people who claim to be pro-life but think it's fine for bombs to land on babies abroad.

[Redstone]

56. Here's your problem...It's none of your fucking business.

Redstone

[Sarah Ibarruri]

61. Sure it is. They made it my business when they told me women who have abortions.....

... are murderers and that I was a murderer for being in favor of women having rights over their own bodies. You bet they made it my business.

[leftofthedial]

60. neither christian nor "pro-life" are they

like all repukes, they apply no rules to themselves

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. Exactly! They're neither pro-life nor Christian. nt

[lonestarnot]

63. Get down James Brown!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

71. :-) I decided I'm going to spread the word. nt

[Brigid]

64. If they're so fond of adoption . . .

then what are they doing having in vitro? :wtf:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

72. Oh they're not fond of adoption for themselves. They're fond of adoption for others

They're also in favor of abortion for themselves (evidently, if they're using in vitro!!!) but not for others.

[Ellen Forradalom]

65. Their religion begins and ends with, be fruitful and multiply.

The quiverfull types who consider their women as brood mares get on my nerves too.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

73. I'd love to hate their men but their women are such total assholes agreeing with the men!

They make it easy to dislike them both.