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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 AM
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LTTE in KS: Assertion that Christianity unfairly portrayed simply balderdash
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:41 AM by Stevepol
I got the following LTTE from a friend in the mail recently. It's an answer to another letter and says a lot about the attitude of many fundamentalist Christians in the country, those who still sing W's praises despite the obvious muddle he's got everything in.

The XXXXX
April 9, 2008

xxx X Street
XXX, Kansas XXXX

Attn: XXX XXX

Gentlepersons:

The editorial “Christianity receives unfair portrayal” (April 7th, ’08) is simply balderdash. The whining, poor-us, “nobody loves us” article is myopic, immature, and self-serving. Before I explain why, let me first establish that I am a Christian of 74 years, baptized as an infant, raised in the church, and retired after serving as a priest in the Episcopal Church for some 40 years. My objection to that editorial is based upon the faith I live and the Lord I follow.

I believe that Christianity receives the portrayal it warrants. When Christians are humbly faithful, not blindly and belligerently certain, when they are servants and not masters, and when they depend upon God rather than act as if they are necessary to defend Him, Christians are highly praised and loved by all people and religions. Sadly, many Christians like the author present themselves as certain, superior, and absolutely necessary. That’s when we become obnoxious spiritual bullies and promote our faith in self-righteous arrogance. We receive the negative portrayal we deserve.

When followers of Jesus feed His hungry, heal His sick, cloth His naked, free the oppressed, and care for the least of His brethren Christians are portrayed with honor. When we love as He loves, our neighbors and our enemies; when we forgive “AS” we’ve been forgiven; when we are “peace makers”, not war makers; when we strive to overcome evil with good, and never return evil for evil; when Christians believe Jesus and do His work, we are welcomed by all, and are blessed by humankind. Christians receive the negative portrayal deserved when we act as if we are not only “chosen” but also preferred by God. We Christians are portrayed as we live.

For me, Jesus is the “way, the truth, and the life”. Jesus is the truth I seek to live. As the author says, all religions can be wrong, and there can be only one truth. But God’s truth is much larger than anyone can comprehend with our limited wisdom. We all may have some of the truth, but none of us may have all the truth. I seek the expressions of God’s truth that may expand, challenge, or even correct my understanding. These expressions can be found in the truths known by others. I listen and learn rather than simply reject and condemn. The whole truth is larger than any of us can claim as exclusively ours.

As concerns the portrayal of Islam, I find Muslim extremists vilified far more severely than are Christian extremists. We hear much about the Taliban, Al Quida, Sunni and Shiite extremists, their cruel decapitations, their suicide bombings and their subjection of women. But we hear little of the “Phelps cult of contempt” of Topeka, the extant K.K.K,. The Jetts’ cult, and their treatment of women has only recently been noted. Our Iraqi campaign, dubbed “shock and awe”, an obvious terrifying tactic designed to cower a whole nation; the barbaric terror of Abu Grhab and our water-boarding torture sanctioned by our Christian president receive little more than a shrug! And these are but a few examples of accepted and/or ignored homegrown extremism.

The retreat to religious absolutes is the haven of the frightened and faithless. Such persons are the bane of every religion. Such aggressive religion is the cause of more wars and death than any other force upon earth. It is the “absolutist” that creates the terrorist, regardless the religion.

Every religion has blood on its hands. The Judeo-Christian heritage has no justification to self-righteously accuse others of wantonly killing unbelievers. Read the Bible and study our history. The first jihad of the sword was inflicted by Joshua against Jericho. Christians stand accused of the pogroms against Jews, the Inquisition against “non-believers”, the support of slavery of Africans and the “ethnic cleansing” of Native Americans (Indian Reservations)! Judeo-Christian “holy writ” is as bloody as anything found in the Quran.

To infer that the peace and prosperity enjoyed by America is because we are favored by God is blasphemous. America is as sinful as any nation; Americans are as sinful as any people; and Christians are as sinful as any religious people. I hope that all who claim in the name of God absolute certainty, consequent superiority, and obvious necessity be rejected. When religious violence condemns, oppresses and slaughters people, and then claims that such barbarity is God’s will, it should be denounced and opposed.

Gandhi was reported to have said that he would be a Christian if he had ever seen someone acting like one. No Christian need worry about being portrayed unfairly when he/she truly loves, serves, and gives of themselves like a Christian, a true disciple of Jesus. The author of the article needs to learn that truth before he childishly complains of mistreatment. The author states that his Christianity is incompatible with Islam. Obviously, what he calls Christianity is incompatible with my faith….and I’m a Christian.

Agape and shalom

Fr. XXX XXXXX, Episcopal Priest –retired
XXXX, Kansas
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:42 AM
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1. Ka-frickin'-boom
And words that could be addressed to more than just Kansas.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:44 AM
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2. K&R
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:44 AM
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3. The peope that call themselves Christian but don't understand
one word of what Christ said are the problem. But that doesn't mean everyone.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:45 AM
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4. this should be front page material
what a beautiful post.

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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:48 AM
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5. Kicked and bookmarked.
Wow, what a great letter!
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:51 AM
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6. K&R
That was bloody brilliant. We need more of this and less of Robertson/Hagee/Hinn/Parsley/Copeland's divisive twaddle.

What's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:54 AM
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7. To the front page with you, 74 year old preacher!
This atheist queer salutes you and hopes good people like you reclaim your faith.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:10 AM
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8. great letter, thanks for the post...
makes me proud to see some sensibility on display by a Kansan...from the heart of the country
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:21 AM
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9. Finally
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:22 AM by dmallind
How long have non-Christians been asking for the supposed majority of the "kinder gentler" type to stand up and be counted? I'm no hypocrite and I will applaud it now I've seen it. If EVERY priest or pastor of this kinder gentler persuasion came out like this guy and stood up to the loony fringe who have been speaking in the name of all Christians almost unopposed for nigh three decades now, and of course if the kinder gentler type really are the majority or even a substantial minority, the pernicious influence of the RW Xian Taliban would be halted in its tracks and the amount of criticism of Xianity would drop to near nothing.

I'm pretty critical of the influence of Christianity in the US for a start. Funnily enough I spent half my life in England, with a state church and prayer in public schools and all that, and almost never felt I needed to be critical of that. The difference is not in non-believers and our attitudes, but in the public attitudes of vocal believers.

PS - you may want to consider a crosspost in R/T subforum - wherte much of the dispute abnout kinder gentler Christians and their lack of a public voice takes place.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:22 AM
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10. islam and christianity are 2 peas in the same pod nt
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:28 AM
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11. Wonderful letter. k&r
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:41 AM
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12. This wasn't written by John Shelby Spong, was it? Retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:44 AM by sinkingfeeling
Have you ever read any of his books? Sure reads like his writing style and his thoughts!

"Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism"
"The Sins of Scripture"
"Why Christianity Must Change Or Die"
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:25 AM
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14. The writer may have read the author you mention. Sounds like their hearts are in the same place.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:20 AM
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13. THIS is the kind
of Christian I can fully support! An excellent piece. Thank you.

He shows a truth that should make fundies and other false Christians hang their heads in shame. Perhaps people should save it and send it out as the final word to all those repuke/xian email chain letters they get. Make some of them eat their words.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:27 AM
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15. Ooooofff
This former Episcopalian long since turned atheist salutes someone who knows the true meaning of the words of the Christ.

Absolutely dead spot-on perfect.

Recommended..

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:04 AM
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16. Here is what he was responding to:
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:33 AM
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18. This guy writes for the paper in my parents' hometown.
My dad says he's a real nutjob.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:59 PM
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26. gotta love my hometown paper....
I'm not all that surprised, really. Most of the christians I knew growing up were taught to believe that anything other than their form of Christianity was bad. Thank God I got out of there...
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:14 AM
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17. This atheist salutes the priest and proudly K&R's this letter.
Why is his name crossed out? If this is a LTTE then it's not as though it's some kind of secret. I'm curious why there's no attribution.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:45 PM
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20. I don't know the man myself and have not talked to him about using his name.
Probably he wouldn't mind his name being used but I don't want to use somebody else's name without their prior approval.

The letter was sent to me by a friend of mine who knows him and often receives emails from him.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:11 PM
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28. If you can, if he will, get permission?
Whoever Father X is, he deserves the accolades.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:28 PM
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30. I checked thru my friend and got a reply. He's OK with his name being given.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 09:29 PM by Stevepol
Here was part of his reply to my friend (the "person" mentioned is me):

I don't know the person, but I would appreciate, and quite honestly, be very thankful if you would simply give him my name and e-mail address.

His name is Fr Bob Layne and he's from Hutchinson KS I believe. His email is:

robertplane@sbcglobal.net

His reply made it seem that he was very gratified that his letter was so well received at DU.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:12 PM
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33. Actually, he's from McPherson KS I've found out.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:51 AM
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19. Bookmarking
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:47 PM
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21. K&R
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:58 PM
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22. "aggressive religion is the cause of more wars and death than any other force upon earth"
No truer words were spoken.

A good Christian is humble.
The Christians who shout the most about the superiority of their own faith are the ones who are most to blame for the tarnished reputation of their religion.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:01 PM
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23. "The retreat to religious absolutes is the haven of the frightened and faithless."
Thank you Fr XXXXX
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 PM
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24. All I can say is
"Amen!"
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:48 PM
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25. Absolutely spot on!
What a great, well-written and well-reasoned letter.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:10 PM
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27. It is the “absolutist” that creates the terrorist, regardless the religion.
If you can only remember one quote, let it be that one.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 05:43 PM
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29. Beautiful! n/t
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:58 PM
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31. May his Lord abundantly bless him for his moving words of peace and intelligence.
Kicked, Recommended, and Bookmarked. Thank you so much for this post.

Hekate

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:24 AM
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32. Good googly...
That was one HELL (please excuse me, Lord!) of a read! That man writes better and more passionately than most novelists!

The retreat to religious absolutes is the haven of the frightened and faithless.

Sends shivers up and down my spine. Absolutely world class writing. Thanks for posting this.
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