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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:46 AM
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more then 1,100 murder/suicides in 2007


http://www.gunguys.com/#post-2945


More Than 1,100 Murder-Suicide Deaths–From the Virginia Tech Massacre to Domestic Disputes–Occurred in 2007, New Study Estimates


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Nine states had 10 or more murder-suicides in the six-month period of the study. In order, these states were: Florida (24), Texas (24), California (17), Pennsylvania (14), Arizona (12), Georgia (12), New York (11), North Carolina (10), and Ohio (10). Additional study findings from the six-month survey period include:

* Of the 554 murder-suicide deaths, 234 were suicides and 320 were homicides. Ninety-five percent of murder-suicides were committed by men.

* Nine murder-suicide events occurred in the United States each week during the study period.

* Seventy-three percent of all murder-suicides involved an intimate partner (spouse, common-law spouse, ex-spouse, or girlfriend/boyfriend). Of these, 94 percent were females killed by their intimate partners.

* Forty-five of the homicide victims were children and teens less than 18 years of age. Forty-four children and teens less than 18 years of age were survivors who witnessed some aspect of the murder-suicide.

* Most murder-suicides occurred in the home (75 percent).

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "From homes and businesses to schools and churches, murder-suicide wreaks havoc on American families and communities each year. Much more needs to be done to understand and prevent murder-suicide, including recognizing the key role that firearms play."
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have to teach men some other way to deal with women/children besides killing them.

us women would be ever so grateful.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:15 PM
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1. Unfortunately, given the economy & lack of health care for millions
The "NRA-approved" retirement plan may become even more common. Yes, those who feel hopeless might chose other means than a gun, but the fact is that having a gun available does increase the likelihood a suicidal individual will carry through.

I, in no way, am being "flip." This is a prediction I truly wish would NOT come true.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:23 PM
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2. yes, everything is going to get worse - enjoy today if you can
nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:26 PM
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4. and, unfortunately, either murder attempts or suicide attempts
are 50% likelier to be successful if a gun is involved.

They are very efficient at doing what they are designed to do.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:32 PM
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6. And yet several countries with national health care have higher suicide rates...
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 12:33 PM by hughee99
go figure.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:08 PM
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9. Scandinavian countries with high rates of SADD and alcoholism?
Might be my guess...
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:24 PM
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3. Mental health is the route cause of these tragedies

Someday we'll take it more seriously.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:27 PM
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5. Ah, gunguys.com...
The unbiased source for all your firearm-related news.
:sarcasm:


And I suppose they have historical information, such as murder-suicide trends for the past 30 years? Probably not.



Here's some historical infomation for everybody to look at:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/multivictab.htm


The vast majority of homicides only have one victim and it's been that way forever.

Yeah, I know it's not strictly relevent to the discussion at hand, but BJS doesn't have a "murder-suicide" catagory.

And for some more perspective...





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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:37 PM
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7. hello, I've been waiting for you to arrive

nt
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:40 PM
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8. krispos42, there you go again, bringing facts to counter gun-grabbers' emotional arguments. You
deserve another Heracles Fifth Labour Badge


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