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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:42 PM
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Can anything get more Orwellian than this ??
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:48 PM
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1. Our country has been taken down
a bad road here by by criminals who need to be exposed
and brought to justice.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:50 PM
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2. "I was only following orders.."
So starkly reminiscent.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:00 AM
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3. Is this CIA, in CYA mode?
But even after the "Golden Shield" was in place, briefings and meetings in the White House to discuss individual interrogations continued, sources said. Tenet, seeking to protect his agents, regularly sought confirmation from the NSC principals that specific interrogation plans were legal.

According to a former CIA official involved in the process, CIA headquarters would receive cables from operatives in the field asking for authorization for specific techniques. Agents, worried about overstepping their boundaries, would await guidance in particularly complicated cases dealing with high-value detainees, two CIA sources said.

"It kept coming up. CIA wanted us to sign off on each one every time," said one high-ranking official who asked not to be identified. "They'd say, 'We've got so and so. This is the plan.'"


Sources said that at each discussion, all the Principals present approved. "These discussions weren't adding value," a source said. "Once you make a policy decision to go beyond what you used to do and conclude it's legal, just tell them to implement it."

Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said.

According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:01 AM
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4. George Bush connected the dots?
Holyshit in a handbasket, we are FUCKED.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:18 AM
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5. "Undoumented Workers" is close, but not quite as bad
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:27 AM
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6. Life in the Corporate and Military State
ANother blogger said this:Does anyone remember President Bush saying- “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a #### piece of paper!”I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a #### piece of paper.”Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document. Capitol Hill Blue by Doug Thompson Dec.5, 2005 ...uhhh probably not they all seem to be having senior moments these days, thank God for video.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:49 AM
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7. Big Brother, Inc
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:27 AM
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8. "HOMELAND SECURTIY" is another Orwellian, totalitarian, fascist sounding term
that sets my teeth on edge.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:39 AM
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9. "Alcohol and drugs"
Is my personal favorite.

And EVERYONE uses that one.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:44 AM
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10. Enhanced Interrogation Techniques = TORTURE = War Crimes
Fuck semantics
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:45 AM
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11. It's been said before: Bush, Rove, et al., see "1984" not as a cautionary tale
but as a how-to guide.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:15 AM
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12. fuck the democratic congress if they don't save us from these criminals
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