Naomi Wolf on General Election 2008:

[Hissyspit]

From a poster to Mark Crispin Miller's user-list:

Naomi Wolf from her 2007 book, 'The End of America - Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot' (a copy of which I carry with me):

"... Is it reasonable - is it really a matter of common sense - to assume that leaders who are willing to abuse signing statements, withhold information from Congress, make secret decisions, lie to the American public, use fake evidence to justify a preemptive war, torture prisoners, tap people's phones, open their mail and email, break into their houses, and now simply ignore Congress altogether - leaders with, currently, a 29 percent approval rating - will surely say, come 2008, "The decision rests in the hands of the people. May the votes be fairly counted"? "

MCM: I think we're in for one heck of a fight...

[Marr]

1. Well, it's an interesting question. I'm not convinced that they really want a Republican president

to come after Bush. There are so many messes coming to a head soon, I wonder if the big money in this country wouldn't rather just have a corporatist Dem in there for the next four years and let the Democratic Party take all the blame.

Still, she's got a great point.

[chknltl]

3. I have long felt that the neocons would groom a Dem

War is good for the Military Industrial Complex. When it became obvious that a bush replacement was not likely through the republican party, I felt that they would reinvest their $$ into a Dem. When I looked to which Dem got the $$ boost from the M.I.C. I find HRC. She continues with the fighting methods of the corporatists before her, yet we call her tactics rovian. THE NEOCONS ARE THE CORPORATISTS!!!

The corporatists are NOT about to release their hold on our government. Barrack Obama is a problem for them. He was not considered to be viable earlier on when it looked as though HRC was going to tip toe through the tulips all the way to the White House. Now that BHO has the lead, now that he has proven that he is the people's candidate, the issue becomes: can he survive the corporatists long enough to become President!???

We The People have more control over BHO than the corporatists do. He has not been around long enough to have become as tainted as Sen.s Clinton or McCain. There is the very real chance that a President Obama will hold the corporate criminals accountable for their crimes committed during the bush administration. A second President Clinton would likely do the same as the first and pardon those same crooks.

This election has come down to We The People vs the corporatists. Sadly, the corporatists control more wealth than We The People as well as having better control over OUR government and OUR military. My fears: A bullet or a completion of bush's coup before November which would likely have the added horror of a likely Nuke strike on Iran. BOTH options favor the corporatists!

I have been often wrong, I hope that this is one of those times that I have read the data wrong.

[judasdisney]

2. Vote Fixing Scenario in favor of HRC

In my opinion, she's being lined-up to be the next Isabel Peron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_Peron#Isabel_as_President

I would have used Salvador Allende as the example of a patsy president being set-up for a military coup, but Salvador's too noble to compare to Hillary.

Incidentally, as Sibel Edmonds has noted, both parties are complicit in the treasonous intersection of drug trafficking, money laundering, and fake terrorism. Just ask Henry Waxman why he refuses to investigate her case.

[Hissyspit]

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[babylonsister]

5. That puts it in perspective, doesn't it. Fairly counted votes? How

many of us believe that hasn't been true for years?

[bemildred]

10. Jimmy C in 1976 is the last time I think there was an honest election.

Mighta been the first time too.

[Perry Logan]

6. You can tell by looking at them--even the Repubs know they're screwed.

I think the Republicans' fascist takeover has failed by dint of incompetence, cowardice, and public outrage.

[screembloodymurder]

7. A fight that our democratic principles will not win.

We are at war with an enemy that respects no bounds.

[Echo In Light]

8. And they can afford to be so brazen as most shrug it off as "conspiracy theories." The public aids..

...in the massive cover ups through denial, justification, and inaction.

[KoKo]

9. Both Obama and Hillary have so many negatives with general voting public that

another election can be stolen because of "close numbers" and the fact that we still have those DRE machines in many states and folks who control voting can be manipulated. Not much has changed since 2004...and with a Woman and an African-American Candidate...both "Firsts" it means the Repugs can easily blame it on either gender or race depending on which candidate survives.

I don't have any hopes about '08, these days. Our Dems shoot themselves in the foot...don't learn from past mistakes and are involved in another campaign where "slogans" used by Media and Repugs are the rule for the McCorporate Media...which has grown even stronger since 06 when we managed to get Dems in power in House and Senate.

This election is starting to look like some kind of charade... Sorry...but that's my gloomy view at the way it's all playing out.