Lemme get this straight ..... a former US president and Nobel Laureate is being denied security ....

[Stinky The Clown]

..... in Israel because he will be speaking with the DULY FUCKING ELECTED LEADERSHIP of a large part of the citizenry of Israel? A man who embodies Shalom in all he has done with his life is treated this way because eh dares to work still again for peace? The man who brokered what has turned out to be an unprecedentedly long and successful peace with Israel's former sworn enemy and neighbor, Egypt. That guy?

Is that about it?

If it is, may I be among the latest to send Israel a great big, honking



FUCK YOU.

[texastoast]

1. God forbid that he doesn't want to feed the war machine

and would like to work on peace. Is Israel beholden to Halliburton?

[babylonsister]

2. How much you want to bet the * admin had a hand in this? nt

[EFerrari]

5. It was probably their idea. n/t

[bdamomma]

19. peace does not make money for these warmongers.

how dare they do that to someone like Carter, he is a true humanitarian.

[MiniMe]

25. Of course they did. It came from the State Department, that means Condi

This administration has been absolutely insulting to Jimmy Carter. Remember when he wasn't "allowed" to go to the Pope's funeral? I think they had a certain number of slots so Stephen Hadley was included and they told Jimmy not to go. I wonder if the next administration will tell * not to go and represent the US?

[madokie]

32. junior will be represented at the Hague

hopefully by some court appointed lawyer cause or government will have already taken all his ill gotten gains.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. Junior hates to travel, so he won't care

Recall before he was elected. He had never been anywhere except Mexico up until he was elected.

We have a moron for a president.

on edit: Did I say 'elected'? I did. Man, how we get brainwashed.

Selected. He was never 'elected'.

[libnnc]

3. What you said right there

times a brazillion to infinity.

:applause:

[EFerrari]

4. Amy Goodman reported last week that a majority of Israelis

FAVOR using diplomacy with over military action against Hamas.

[truebrit71]

6. Classic!!!

I absolutley LOVE that picture.... :rofl:

[opihimoimoi]

7. The Goddess will soon take the Land away and return it to the Palestinians

They have lived there longer than the Jews.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. .

:rofl:

[Cassandra]

14. What if they're, genetically,...

all the same people, as seems likely? You can't say that one group got there first.

[texastoast]

21. Well, I think we all have the same

mitochondrial Eve.

[Cassandra]

49. Beyond that...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/742430.stm

"The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese.

These signatures were significantly different from non-Jewish men outside of the Middle East. This means Jews and Arabs have more in common with each other, genetically speaking, than they do with any of the wider communities in which they might live. "

[texastoast]

70. Wonder if that really is that old Abraham

and the half-brothers Isaac and Ishmael.

[opihimoimoi]

55. Thats what it said in the Bible....Land of Milk and Honey.....them nasty OTHER PEEPS(Heathans/Pagans

gatta go...."Put them all to the sword, men, women, and children.....cept those virgins...save them....but all else, to the sword...

Differing customs.speech patterns suggest seperate orgins

[PCIntern]

22. then she's coming over here and giving

the States back to the Native Americans. She's starting with your house.

[opihimoimoi]

56. If the sacrifice of my house means World Peace...let it be the First

Please.

We should be looking to solve big shit with big solutions...not nit pick....

Take a look all around you....much discord, misery mounting to new levels...not quite drastic Famine nor Pestilence Levels...not yet....

Oceans Rising, diminishing Fresh water supplies, top soils even, not to mention Energy....Our poli/social system is manipulated to the point of absurdity that .....the results to date show no promise, no vision, no Thinking....

Solve for the ALL

Rewards will include the small

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I would not go there if I were you.

But FYI there has been continuos Jewish habitation of that land upwards of 6K years

[opihimoimoi]

61. Them Sodomites, Caanites, etc were there way before the Hebrew/Levites

made the scene

[mondo joe]

63. Oh good. More voodoo mystification of geopolitical issues.

:eyes:

[rateyes]

8. Let me say, before the inevitable lock, or dungeon sending

action that I agree.

[Leftist Agitator]

9. Save your vitriol for the Israeli government, not the Israeli people.

Most Israeli citizens want peace, and if that means talks with Hamas, and the establishment of a Palestinian state, then so be it.

It's the neo-con rightists here in America and in the Israeli govt. that perpetuate this idiotic policy of non-negotiation.

Just so you know!

:hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Thanks .......

......... I never knew that. :sarcasm:

[Leftist Agitator]

15. Well, I'm just trying to point out that hating the Israeli government is one thing...

On the other hand, hating the Israeli people? That flirts dangerously close to anti-Semitism.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. Many here don't care.

They like to flirt heavily.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Lemme ask ya, in all seriousness .......

.... how did you take the OP to mean the Israeli people and not the government?

[Karenina]

24. The Israeli people who GET IT

are as marginalized as those of you in the U.S. are. You NEVER hear of the countless efforts to forge a road to peace. How many of you know of Daniel Barenboim's efforts? The members of his orchestra will NOW be required to learn each other's languages to keep the bullshit levels down to a minimum. So many efforts, SO FUCKING LITTLE COVERAGE. As so many of you rail against being identified with the Junta you support through your apathy, "battered wife syndrome," taxes and Stockholm Syndrome, PLEASE ACCORD THE ISRAELIS the SAME consideration.

[Stinky The Clown]

34. Yer barkin' up the wrong tree there, kiddo.

And what does your rant (true or not) have to do with the OP?

[Karenina]

35. My communication intent was in support

of your OP and subsequent comments. Offenbar habe ich die falsche adresse. Verzeih mir.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. Take me to the woodshed!

If that the case, I clearly misunderstood and apologize profusely for that error.

These days I'll take all support gratefully!

[Karenina]

39. Naughty, naughty Stinky!!!

:spank::loveya::spank: :silly:

[LeftishBrit]

43. I certainly know about and admire Barenboim!

And I agree that one should not identify Israel, or any country, with its government. I certainly would not like to be identified with the Thatcher or Blair government! And I know that America does not = the Bush government.

[Karenina]

69. Let me throw in abstract thought here...

"Racism" is the inability/refusal to recognize an individual for who s/he is.

[nashville_brook]

40. those who scream "anti-semitism" where there is none, drain all meaning out of the charge.

bigotry is a real, dangerous thing. when you equate this OP with anti-semitism you derail the whole project of tolerance.

[fascisthunter]

42. .

:thumbsup:

[Stinky The Clown]

44. Well said

[treestar]

45. Well exactly - it gets watered down until nobody is afraid of it anymore!

Why get upset at being called anti-Semitic when a person can so easily trigger it? Call me that for disagreeing with Israeli government actions, and I think it means only that and isn't really all that pejorative.

[nashville_brook]

68. the charge has been used way too often as a *pro-Israel right-or-wrong* procedural manuver.

have a criticism for the way Israel conducts its war with neighbors? then you're an anti-semite. thus, all criticism is illegitimate...evil, even.

people peddling this "new antisemitism" do their cause no favors. they're alienating people who might otherwise advocate their positions. it's impossible to partner ideologically with people who scream "antisemite" at you any time you enter a dialog on middle eastern policy.

[alittlelark]

60. Sounds like our problem here in this country.... The world hates b*sh,

unfortunately they blame 'us' for putting him in power and not throwing his worthless ass in prison or sending him to the Hague.

If the Israeli people are as uninformed and apathetic as most of the US...... very sad.

[JohnyCanuck]

10. You can send all the fuck yous you want....

but don't stop sending the billions per year in arms and aid courtesy of the US taxpayer, or then they'll really get cheesed off.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. And this is from our 'strongest ally'. Lord forbid somebody try to negotiate a lasting peace

anywhere on earth.

[backscatter712]

16. self-delete

[spanone]

20. god forbid peace break out.....that would just fuck up everything

:sarcasm:

[Ganja Ninja]

23. Yup the man that brokered the peace between Israel and Egypt

is persona non grata to the current Israeli government. It seems some people prefer a state of perpetual war.

[MiniMe]

26. It is coming from the State Department, not from Isreal

Condi was the one to say they weren't going to offer protection. They don't want Jimmy to interfere with their neverending war in the Middle East.

[lpbk2713]

27. It came from BushCo to be more specific.

Nobody upstages the Chimp if they can help it.

[MiniMe]

28. I figured that if the "wife" announced it, it would go without saying that it came

from the "husband". I agree with you. It sounded like the OP was trying to blame Isreal instead of Bushco, and that is not correct.

[lpbk2713]

29. .

:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:

[spanone]

30. neither side wants it

~snip~ Sderot mayor Eli Moyal said he met with Carter to present Israel's side, even though he said he was ''upset'' about Carter's scheduled meeting with the Hamas leader, Khaled Mashaal.

''I don't think he should meet with killers,'' Moyal said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Israel-Carter.html?scp=2&sq=jimmy+carter&st=nyt

[here_is_to_hope]

31. Agreed and a big K n R for ya! n/t

[smiley_glad_hands]

38. I want to know:

How does one little country like Israel end up as fucked up as ours?

[malaise]

41. But but but

M$M doesn't think this is important.

[mike_c]

46. Israel has no interest in peace-- it is an apartheid society...

...maintained only through oppression of Palestinians in the outdoor gulag of the occupied territories. Is it any surprise that American political leaders embrace it so completely?

[elias7]

62. it is not an apartheid society; its' population is 20% arab

and those Arabs (and 5% Christian and other) are fully integrated in the society.

The statement that Israel has no interest in peace is just an inaccurate and inflammatory statement.

And are you saying that American political leaders embrace Israel because they believe Israel engages in oppression and apartheid? That makes no sense.

[malaise]

47. Gregory and Scarborough Scumbag want Obama

to denounce Carter for meeting with Hamas to appease Jewish voters. These fucking Rethugs hacks are amazing.

[Stinky The Clown]

48. Actually, I heard Scarborough, just this morning on his own show, saying he AGREED with Carter.

He was yammering with Mika and said this is one of the rare times he agrees with Carter. He said how strong a supporter of Israel he was when was in Congress, but that Carter's right on the notion that we need to be talking to Hamas.

When did he change his mind?

[malaise]

51. On Gregory's program

They're all hacks.

[amandabeech]

58. When he got a nice contract with NBC.

I've noticed the difference.

[NMDemDist2]

50. bless you for saying what I couldn't quite enunciate

without getting banned

:applause:

[Stinky The Clown]

54. Ahhhhhh ...... just go for it ........

.... that's what I do!

:hug:

[Wizard777]

52. Well then I guess we can eliminate all that security money we give them.

[scarletwoman]

53. k&r (nt)

[frogcycle]

57. well put

you summed it up quite nicely

[amandabeech]

59. The Lukidniks in Israel are as nuts as the ones here.

One of my Jewish friends asked me what I thought of some insane Likud policy in Israel.

I said that if I were Israeli, I'd vote Labor.

He laughed.

[Deep13]

64. I can see why the Israelis have an axe to grind with Carter.

:sarcasm: Douchebags.

[Elspeth]

65. The best DU post on this topic has been from Peace Patriot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3268490&mesg_id=3269174

[eleny]

66. K&R

Glad to rec right under the wire.

So, Israel gave itself a black eye on this one. But Carter keeps on working for peace and justice.

[Poll_Blind]

67. K&R. Really sad they fear this 83-year old Nobel PEACE Prize winner so much. n/t

PB