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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:16 PM
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"‘red’ means you're lying"
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 12:27 PM by ensho
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23926278/


New anti-terror weapon: Hand-held lie detector
U.S. troops in Afghanistan first to get new device; ‘red’ means you're lying


The Pentagon will issue hand-held lie detectors this month to U.S. Army soldiers in Afghanistan, pushing to the battlefront a century-old debate over the accuracy of the polygraph.

The Defense Department says the portable device isn't perfect, but is accurate enough to save American lives by screening local police officers, interpreters and allied forces for access to U.S. military bases, and by helping narrow the list of suspects after a roadside bombing. The device has already been tried in Iraq and is expected to be deployed there as well. “We're not promising perfection — we've been very careful in that,” said Donald Krapohl, special assistant to the director at the Defense Academy for Credibility Assessment, the midwife for the new device. “What we are promising is that, if it's properly used, it will improve over what they are currently doing.”

But the lead author of a national study of the polygraph says that American military men and women will be put at risk by an untested technology. "I don't understand how anybody could think that this is ready for deployment," said statistics professor Stephen E. Fienberg, who headed a 2003 study by the National Academy of Sciences that found insufficient scientific evidence to support using polygraphs for national security. "Sending these instruments into the field in Iraq and Afghanistan without serious scientific assessment, and for use by untrained personnel, is a mockery of what we advocated in our report."
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that's what neo cons do, mock. they are good at mockery.

if its red your dead

if its blue you might be dead too

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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:23 PM
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1. Ever notice how the names of these officials
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 12:24 PM by saddlesore
is indicative of the assertion being made?

Donald Krapohl

Sounds like Crap-ola to me...

Director of the Defense Academy for Credibility Assessment, Mr. Krapohl...

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:30 PM
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2. yes and the writer called him the 'midwife' for the devices


why dirty up midwife. that's like changing the subject.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:39 PM
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3. There is no science supporting the polygraph.
Might as well equip the troops with e-meters, if your goal is simply to ensure that a certain number of detainees register as bad guys.

While we're at it, let's have traffic cops issue speeding tickets to every third motorist, and do away with the expensive radar detectors.
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:41 PM
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4. Yeah, there's no chance of error in THIS one! n/t
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:44 PM
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5. which neo con makes the money off this hand-held deal? I wonder.
nt
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:52 PM
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6. I thought this referred to Republicans
You know, red states--and I was agreeing that if the politician is red (ie GOP), they are indeed lying.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:59 PM
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7. So many differences between cultures
intonations, gestures on top of language, combined with the stress of being at war---I would be interested to see how this device can possibly work on the street.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:04 PM
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8. pics...
old device it replaces.







new and improved version.




















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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:15 PM
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9. lavender means "I think you're hot," orange means " having a boring day"
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 01:16 PM by librechik
these are different from 60s era mood rings how?


only half kidding...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 01:18 PM
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10. Hold one in front of bush and his junta.
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