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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:20 AM
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From Inside a Cage at Guantanamo
By David Swanson

The guards at Guantanamo are terrified. Even a man with no legs (amputated after being intentionally exposed to extreme cold by American guards in Afghanistan) is treated as a horrifying threat:

"The bandages wrapped around Abdul's stumps were never changed. When he took them off himself, they were full of blood and pus. He showed the bandage to the guards and pointed to his open wounds. The guards ignored him. Later I saw how he tried to wash the bandages in his bucket of drinking water. But he could hardly move his hands, so he wasn't able to. And even if he had, where would he have hung them up to dry? He wasn't allowed to touch the fence. He wrapped his stumps back up in the dirty bandages.

"When the guards came to take him to be interrogated, they ordered him to sit with his back to the door and put his hands on his head. When they opened the door, they stormed in as they did with every other prisoner. They hit him on the back and pushed him to the ground. Then they handcuffed and bound him so he could no longer move. Abdul howled in pain."

A man with no legs? No, a terrorist with no legs, a mythical evildoing creature with no legs. Hatred? Yes. Bigotry? Yes. But driven by fear instilled through training in the U.S. military, fear of monsters with superhuman powers, fear strong enough to make a team of armored storm troopers fear a legless man in a cage.

The passage quoted above is from "Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo," by Murat Kurnaz, and reading his account might begin to make the reader, too, view the caged prisoners as less than human, were it not for the skillful way in which Kurnaz intersperses descriptions of his pre-Guantanamo life in Germany.

Kurnaz made the mistake of traveling from Germany to Pakistan shortly after September 11, 2001. He has never been to Afghanistan, except in the custody of American guards who took him there from Pakistan on the way to Cuba. The Americans never alleged any particular crime, but simply declared him an enemy combatant and took away five years of his life. A U.S. military kangaroo-court commission convicted him on two counts. The first was having once been friends with a man who supposedly committed a suicide bombing long after Kurnaz was in Guantanamo and about which Kurnaz knew nothing. The strangest part about that first count is that the alleged suicide bomber is alive and well back in Germany, has never been involved in anything of the sort, and has not himself been charged with anything. The second count was of having accepted free food from a humanitarian group with which Kurnaz was working in Pakistan. How that act made Kurnaz "the worst of the worst" is not clear. While the United States always knew that they'd paid $3,000 to someone to turn Kurnaz in, in Pakistan, on the basis of no suspicion of anything, the tribunal concluded that he'd been arrested as an al Qaeda fighter in Afghanistan. At least that was the conclusion up until the moment the United States set him free, or the moment three years earlier when the United States decided he was innocent but allowed him to be tortured daily for three more years prior to release.

At Kandahar air base in Afghanistan, Kurnaz was deprived of food and sleep, routinely beaten, electro-shocked through his feet, threatened with drowning and his head held under water, and hung from the ceiling by his wrists until he lost consciousness. Kurnaz was in very good physical shape prior to this ordeal, and survived it. He saw others die from these procedures. Kurnaz did not know at the time that the worst still lay ahead for him on a Caribbean island, and he had no idea where he was being taken when they loaded him on the plane for Guantanamo:

"They chained us together and herded us onto a plane. We were bound so tightly we couldn't move a millimeter. Again, I thought they were taking us to an American military base in Turkey. What else was I supposed to think?

"Sleep would have been the only consolation in such a situation. But the soldiers kept hitting us to keep us awake. I thought about the American movies I had seen in Bremen. Action flicks and war movies. I used to admire the Americans. Now I was getting to know their true nature.

"I say that without anger. It's simply the truth, as I saw and experienced it. I don't want to insult anyone, and I'm not talking about all Americans. But the ones I encountered are terrified of pain. They're afraid of every little scratch, bacteria, and illness. They're like little girls, I'd say. If you examine Americans closely, you realize this - no matter how big or powerful they are. But in movies, they're always the heroes."

Brought to the New World in a transport reminiscent of slave ships, Kurnaz was placed in a small metal cage (six by seven feet) exposed to the sun, rain, spiders, snakes, and soldiers, on a lawless military base in Cuba. And he was better off than most of those around him.

"I know of a prisoner," he wrote, "who complained of a toothache. He was brought to a dentist, who pulled out his healthy teeth as well as the rotten one. I knew a man from Morocco who used to be a ship captain. He couldn't move one of his little fingers because of frostbite. The rest of his fingers were all right. They told him they would amputate the little finger. They brought him to the doctor, and when he came back he had no fingers left. They had amputated everything but his thumbs."

Even in Cuba, one of the torture techniques employed is subjection to extreme cold inside a chilled metal box. Kurnaz provides us an inside account of these experiences, and of the day-to-day life of solitary confinement, beatings, interrogations, and denial of adequate nutrition. Kurnaz was once kept awake for three weeks. He was given extensive stays in solitary. He was subjected to extremes of cold and heat. He was denied oxygen almost to the point of suffocation.

When guards trampled a Koran, the prisoners began a hunger strike and discovered that the General in charge did not want them to die. They discovered that they had some power, and they got organized. In the end, Kurnaz and others were force-fed, and the commander of Guantanamo was replaced with another (General Geoffrey Miller) who seemed not to care at all who lived or died. Prisoners once mixed feces and water and threw it on Miller's face, and from that point on called him "Mr. Toilet."

In this environment, Kurnaz found humanity among the prisoners, who shared the little food they were given and cared for each other. And in very rare instances he found humanity in a couple of guards who spoke of their disagreement with what they were engaged in. One can only hope that every man and woman who has served as a guard at Guantanamo reads Kurnaz's book and adds their voice to the growing chorus speaking truth to unspeakable power.

In Guantanamo, prisoners are sometimes told they are being released, given clothes, placed on airplanes, and then thrown back in their cages. So, Kurnaz was inclined to be skeptical when told of his impending release:

"I was brought to an interrogation room and chained to the floor. But no one came to ask me any questions. Hours later, two soldiers appeared and placed a telephone on the table.

"'You'll be getting a call,' they told me.

"That made me curious. I didn't know who the caller would be. An interrogator? My lawyer? Maybe the judge?

"More hours passed. What was going on here? Suddenly the phone rang, but no one came to help me.

"I couldn't pick up the receiver with my hands and feet shackled, but the telephone kept ringing. I threw myself to the floor and tried to drag the table toward me with my feet. Kicking one of the table legs, I managed to dislodge the receiver and knock it down to the floor. I squirmed to get my head as close as possible to the handset. I could just hear a voice on the other end of the line.

"'Hello? Hello?'

"'Yes...'

"It's me, Baher. You're going to be released!'

"'I know. How are you doing?'

"'Murat, are you listening? You're going to be released.'

"'I know,' I said. 'They're playing a nasty trick on you. How is your daughter doing?'

Yet he was released. And yet we do not all know his name. For five year our tax dollars paid guards to ask him his name and other basic questions endlessly, between beatings. And yet we do not all know his story or feel the shame of it.

All across the United States of America there are university departments that claim to teach philosophy and others that claim to teach politics, and yet there are not a million students and professors in Washington, D.C., every day demanding impeachment. How can this be? Can a German victim of our apathy shake us out of our Good-Germanism?

Can we hear the words of Patti Smith in her song about Kurnaz?

Without Chains

four long years
was I a man
dreaming in chains
with the lights on
a netherworld
nothing to say
thoughts impure
at Guantanamo Bay

now I'm learning
to walk
without chains
without chains
without chains

born in Bremen
played guitar
a young apprentice
building ships
loved and married
heard the call
is attaining wisdom
a pursuit of fools?

journeyed to Pakistan
to study Koran
taken into custody
no reason why
then a prison camp
no freedom to breathe
branded an enemy
an enemy

(chorus)

no fault was found
yet do they believe
then flown home
a version of free
chained to the floor
muzzled and bound
a last humiliation
left to endure
they say I walk
strange
that may be so
it's been a long time
since I walked at all

now I'm learning
to walk
without chains
to talk
without chains
to breathe
without chains
to pray
without chains
to live
without chains
without chains
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:35 AM
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1. Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo," by Murat Kurnaz
Just read this book ---

To tell you the truth, I thought it an understatement of all that had probably happened to him.

I think conditions are so horrid that for people surviving this to tell it all would be impossible.

What is it that creates conditions where men will do these things to one another?

This man was lucky to have survived -- he was quite young --- his wife began a new life after

he was gone for three years. He has lost five years of his life and I'm sure a great deal of his

health and well-being.

This is not only an immediate threat to all who come in contact with this system and with the

administration which put these cruel practices in place, but it is a threat to every citizen --

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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:57 AM
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5. Why should I believe anything this guy says? Do you really think
American doctors needlessly removed all a patient's fingers except for the thumbs?
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:10 PM
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6. Don't - Just Keep Believing the Shit Spoonfed By the Media
Keep believing Boosh won any election, keep believing the muslims are out to get us, keep believing the economy is booming........
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:19 PM
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7. Uh....
What makes you so sure he was taken to a doctor?

This story is physically sickening. Goddamn America, indeed.
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 12:32 PM
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8. Did you read it? It said he was taken to a doctor. Such extreme claims require some form
of proof. I wont blindly take the word of some terrorist dildo.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:31 PM
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10. Here, try this.
Casualties in Afghanistan Cared for by a Single Forward Surgical Team
A significant number of orthopedic procedures were performed, as were vascular procedures. Amputations were included as vascular procedures, because loss of perfusion and viability were the predominant features necessitating the majority of amputations, thus inflating this number. In addition, a detainee suffered from frostbite, with wet gangrene affecting the distal tips of seven fingers (Table III).

Whether or not this was "necessary" (either medically or circumstantially) I suppose is a matter of opinion.

But what if you were to believe every word. Would it matter? Would you act on that belief in some tangible way?

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:38 PM
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21. So even the military has admitted this guy is innocent, and you still call him a "terrorist dildo"?
I think you're on the WRONG site for that sort of nonsense.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:54 PM
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24. He was released
I am fairly certain that means he wasn't a "terrorist dildo".
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:47 PM
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36. A "Terrorist Dildo"..
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:42 PM
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12. You shouldn't.
You've pretty much demonstrated you are a sheep who will just believe whatever makes him feel comfortable, or whatever the Media tells you is true.

IMHO, you're wasting your time even being here.

Go Watch some American Idol DVD's and feel good.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:19 PM
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:47 PM
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22. Yeah, since EVERYONE knows this guy is innocent but you, "sheep" is too kind a word.
It's beyond question that this guy is not a terrorist-
even our most lawless military tribunals have admitted that.

But you still describe him as "probable terrorist" and
a "terrorist dildo".

Looks like you're well past the "sheep" phase, pal.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:58 PM
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27. Yeah . . . this guy is just another "aberration" . . . probably a bad applie telling lies --- !!!
...'cause we haven't heard anyone else tell about terror/torture/dogs in Gitmo ---
we haven't seen any pictures showing torture ---

have we?

And we still have no proof that at least six or more of these GOP freaks sat around and discussed TORTURE . . . ????


:sarcasm:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:09 PM
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13. What makes you think they wouldn't?
It's been shown time and time again that people in an environment where they're encouraged to be cruel or where cruelty is the norm can be persuaded to do or go along with horrible things.

cf. The Milgram Experiments
The Stanford Prison Experiments
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:32 PM
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20. you don't have to
yet this man has more credibility than any of the US Military personnel who tortured him. Period.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:54 PM
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26. So you believe there was a guy there with "stumps" and they were still
interrogating him?

Do you believe that we are commiting GENOCIDE against the Iraqis/Muslims --- ???

Or have we been bombing them for 20 years by accident --- ?????

Do you believe that DOCTORS have been helping the torturers . . . ???

And that at least one DOCTOR going back to MKULTRA was threatened if he didn't help--????

We have the militarization of everything now --- even "medicine" ---







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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:52 AM
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2. Time for a new term
"American Gulag."
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:23 AM
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3. I am beyond words.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:24 AM
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4. our nation's leaders shame us all
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:00 PM
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9. While I wholeheartedly believe the author's rights were sorely violated,
and that he was indeed abused, I cannot take his every word at face value. He is rightfully embittered and angry at our government. I believe that the treatment of these men was inhumane and worse than our four-legged friends get at animal shelters across the country. I believe, however, that, perhaps in an effort to cast focus on truly unjust prisoner treatment, a bit of hyperbole may have been exercised. While I have no proof one way or the other, I simply cannot suspend my belief entirely to accept all of this as unquestioned truth.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:13 PM
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14. That, I strongly suspect, is your problem; and one for which you will, one day,
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:14 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
be answerable to your Creator.

What, from what is already known from the Abu Ghraib outrage and a host of other sources, strikes you as less than absolutely characteristic of the m.o. of your neocon Administration? Torture without restraint is now written into your law. Perhaps, you should feel uncomfortable for wanting to question the author's veracity, and question your own motivation.

No. Not, perhaps. Definitely.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:37 PM
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18. Bingo n/t
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:50 PM
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19. All my problems are answerable to my Creator
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:55 PM by KSinTX
and believe me, there are many. I can accept that my neocon Administration has violated the very tenets upon which my country was founded. I am indeed persuaded that the Constitution of this country has been sullied during this war on so very many levels. I simply cannot accept at face value this author's story in its entirety. I am never uncomfortable questioning any source of information and always question my own motivations. None of this, however, changes my initial conclusion. I question some of its veracity but not its absolute sincerity. I don't "wish" to question it, I do.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:32 PM
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25. That strikes me as a very rational and evenhanded point of view, KSinTX.
By the way: welcome to DU! :hi:
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:20 PM
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31. Thanks for the hospitality!
This really is a neat place to hang! I won't name the other place I used to hang out, just let me say you guys here rock!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:01 PM
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28. And maybe, actually, conditions have been too horrible to even be explained . . .
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 08:03 PM by defendandprotect
Kinda like the photographs we've already seen ---

who would have dreamed of such cruelties --- ????

And, think about the videos and probably all the photographs we haven't see ---

Sy Hersh, for one, says there is still much worse --- including RAPE of children --- !!!

THAT is also what the imprisoned mothers have said ---

Everyone lies but this administration, eh?

You haven't learned that lesson yet?



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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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32. I can imagine, and have noted here, that atrocities likely happened
"Everyone lies but this administration, eh?"

I would ask you to point out a line, word or syllable in which I said (or even inferred) this administration has not lied. I believe, as I stated, there were cruelties and an abdication of the principles upon which this country was established - and on many levels. I even believe that soldiers may have raped imprisoned woman and, yes, even their children. To say I also believe that this author may have overstated his case has no bearing on the aforementioned beliefs. They are mutually exclusive trains of thought; not causally linked in any way.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:36 PM
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33.  "Everyone lies but this administration, eh?" . . .
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM by defendandprotect
That referred to your seeming lack of skepticism . .. not something YOU said . . .

I would pretty much say that anything can easier be believed about this fascist administration,
rather than not . . .

We've seen the medical profession abused historically in the US --- MKULTRA is a sign of that ---
Use of shock treatments through out Vietnam in the Phoenix Program ---

Where would the boundries be that stop them from doing anything?

They were throwing live civilian Vietnamese out of helicopters after beating and torturing them?

Did you read the recent article here re the guy with 25 broken ribs --- broken sternum ---
beaten to death, hanging from a door by his wrists --- ???

Unfortunately, doctors have taken part in these tortures ---

And, all of this TORTURE going on at Gitmo while we were encouraged to believe that it was "bad apples" ---

and the military investigated itself --- !!!


:nuke:
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:05 PM
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34. protectanddefend, I really relate to that handle
Skepticism is a two-way street. I realize this is an emotional issue, heck, I'm probably an 11 on a 1-10 scale. Having spent 20 years "protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States" I take it quite personally that my former Commander-in-Chief has so trampled it. Having said that, I am not saying these things are not possibly true, I'm just equally skeptical of them not being so in their entirety.

Let me bottom line it: Torture has no place in our national policies and even less so in the military. This administration has debased the very soul of our country and its standing in the international community. I don't have to believe each account written since those that I do believe nauseate me. It's no longer a matter of degree when anything over zero is too much. That was my point. It didn't take the more egregious events, he had me at "Hello."

I've gotta say, I really appreciate having this discussion with you!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:02 PM
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35. I understand what you are suggesting; and I'm saying it's unrealistic . . .
The balance of evidence is against their honesty ---

What have they failed to do? You have fascism pretty much now sitting on the Hill ---

Too little is unbelievable, too much is known ---

...but arguments for "aberrations" and "bad apples" never made any sense ---
and they still don't --

I imagine some day we will be hearing from the thousand or more tortured ---

and one day we might actually get to see those videos Sy Hersh is talking about ---

and presumably which the Congress saw long, long ago --

Keep reading --- !!!

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:37 PM
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11. the US Media establishment is oblivious to anything but what Corp Advertisers say
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:27 PM
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16. Even if the extreme stories are not true in this persons
account, GITMO is still a shameful place & should be closed down.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:03 PM
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29. This man's stories are mild in comparison to what we know has happened at Gitmo --- MILD!!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:33 PM
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17. I am almost in tears after reading this
The saddest part is that the war criminals are getting away with it.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:50 PM
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23. I almost forgot to mention- K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 08:04 PM
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30. Push and recommend ---
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:55 AM
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37. Sadly kicking. This needs to be read and shared. nt
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 03:42 AM
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38. Failure To Impeach Allows Such Concentration Camps
It doesn't mattter how many inmates. Or how many die. Or how many are driven insane.

It's not about "them" at all.

Only Impeachment can even begin to redeem Our National Soul.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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