I hope the Pope will take this opportunity in visiting America to speak out against Torture

[KoKo]

He's coming to a country that has become lawless, whose leaders take every advantage to suppress the People...and how can Christians in these times, in this country not want to know how Pope Ratzinger will address "Who Would Jesus Torture? Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

That's what I keep wondering as I see all the pomp and ceremony involved with the visit. All the security and flag waving. I wonder about a "message of peace" from someone who arrives with so much fanfare and so many "attendants."

Will he speak to peace? Will he chastise those who promote torture? Will he urge an end to "invasions and occupation" by those who exploit their fellow humankind?

[louis-t]

1. Good time to get active. See below.

http://www.democrats.com/torture-news-strike

Now that they've admitted to lying about torture.......

[ProgressiveFool]

2. This has been bothering me since he got here

It seems that the Pope, by sticking to "non-political" things, is giving the Bushies a white-wash of their sins. This morning, as I was getting ready to go to work, they were showing the Pope sitting with Bush, and they mentioned Cheney, Rice and maybe a couple of others were sitting up there with them, and I was just so disappointed that a person who, regardless of how you feel about Catholicism, the Church, etc., ought to embody righteous moral justice and clarity would share a stage with persons of such black souls without uttering a peep about it. John Paul II probably would have said something.

I mean, what does the Pope have to lose by standing up for and giving voice to what's right? It's not like we're going to invade the Vatican (unless we got attacked by, say, Portugal).

[Justitia]

3. Don't hold your breath. -eom

[gateley]

4. I heard a while back that the reason he wouldn't be

attending the WH dinner (in his honor!) is to protest our torture policies.

[KoKo]

7. I hope that's true...and I hope when he met with Bush he spoke his mind if he is against torture

and lawlessness. If not then he would be a throw back to the Popes of the Crusades...and those who conspired with the Nazi's. We have to hope that this Pope can understand that there is a huge need for Christian Leaders to SPEAK OUT!

[Raejeanowl]

13. I Hope That's True

I further hope he comes out and says so explicitly during the course of his visit.

And finally, if he does make any such position clear, I hope all of the DUers lambasting him for every little thing including his red shoes and the VIP treatment on this visit will come forward and apologize (at least on that point).

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

5. He won't bother. If he says anything at all it will probably

be about abortion. Let's face it I'd say most of the Catholics that lined the streets today in DC were probably of the conservative bias. For myself as a Catholic, I wouldn't cross the street to see this particular pope.

[NNN0LHI]

6. Catholic church will just apologize in about 50 years for their silence like they did the Holocaust

Then everything will be hokay again.

Don

[KoKo]

8. It would be the saddest of all if that was the truth of it. Media is only talking about Pedophile

Priests and saying that he's hear to heal that.... Which obfuscates the torture and the rest.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Its actually all connected

Pope asked the Bush administration to help get his name taken off a child abuse lawsuit. Bush did the favor. Now Pope won't say anything about Bush's torture and killing. He is in the bag.

Don

[KoKo]

9. CNBC, CNN covering the Religious Service...spending much time on it..

Don't know why...maybe hoping for some statement that will make news.

[tom_paine]

11. The answer to all of these questions is no.

The Benign Explanation: He wants to be polite and does not want to upset his hosts.

The Malevolent Explanation: He is either quite happy with all of it or is the BushPope.

I stil cannot be sure which.

[KoKo]

12. We have to wonder, then, what "History of Popes" shows.......

BTW..I'm Episcopal...Hubby is Catholic...both of us "fell away" after Bush.. The EVIL was just to much to deal with even though the Quakers and others tried to speak out...the Media only covers the worlds two Religions: Christian and Jewish. The other two Islam and Buddism are considered "Terrorist Organizations." :-( It's hard knowing that all the world's main religions always preach pacifism...except maybe Judaism...and that we always end up Killing Each Other........

[spoony]

14. That'd be nice. Of course, if he did

I would without any doubt read a dozen or more posts here saying he's a hypocrite and posting woodcuts of the Inquisitions.

[KoKo]

15. NBC's Brian Williams Correspondent says "Pope Greated like a Rock Star!"

but that Laura's clothing was "not appropriate!" AYYYYYYYYY American Media...how low can it go....

[KoKo]

16. NBC Correspondent says "Laura Bush inappropriate in her dress ..it was WHITE...only the Pope

is allowed to wear WHITE in his audiences around the world. Oh My Gosh...what is that? :wow:

THE POPE DECIDES and YOU "Go through your Wardrobe!" :eyes:

[Jacobin]

17. hahahahaha

That's a good one.

The church invented half the torture devices that were ever used.....on 'heretics'


Thankfully, it only took them 400 years to sort of admit that the earth revolves around the sun and sort of say they were sorry for harassing the guy who suggested that fact was true.

[spoony]

19. Let me guess that you don't know

that Copernicus was a Christian cleric. Or that he developed the theory of heliocentrism 90 years before Galileo was put on trial. Or that the motive behind the trial was likely his depiction of the Pope in his works. Or that the Church recanted the persecution of Galileo, not "400 years" after the fact (since we haven't actually HAD 400 years since the trial), but in 1741.

No, of course you didn't know. Blusterers like yourself never do.

[KoKo]

18. CNN doing Ratzinger's Speech....cautioning Americans!

Watch..........Listen......I guess.