Anyone else creeped out by those

[pnwmom]

polygamist stepford wives with their weirdly childlike, monotone voices and robotic non-answers to Viera's questions?

See the video here:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24155617#24155617

[LisaL]

1. No. I feel sorry for them.

[pnwmom]

7. And if you knew they had stood by and watched their babies

being water-boarded (they use the term "breaking babies" ) would you have felt sorry for them, too?

[LisaL]

8. Oh give me a break.

Where is any evidence the babies are actually water boarded?

[pnwmom]

10. The book "Escape" written by a former wife of Merrill Jessop,

the leader at the YFZ ranch. (The woman finally escaped with her 8 children.)

She described the procedure (spanking the baby to make it cry and holding its face under running water) and said that it could go on as long as an hour. The point was to instill "fear of adults" and to teach the babies not to cry when they're upset.

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/apr/10/mcginnis-beyond-comprehension/

How can Texas’ overburdened foster care system possibly deal with more than 400 potentially abused children? As neat and pretty as the FLDS children look, Carolyn Jessop, who left the church in 2003 with her eight children, describes horrifying forms of abuse in her book “Escape.” Among them was “baby breaking,” where infants were essentially water boarded to train them not to cry.

[LisaL]

14. The baby is not going to remember what had happened to him/her.

It doesn't make any sense to water board a baby. Book or no book.

[Lars39]

15. After a while you'll stop crying If every time you cry you can't breathe

[LisaL]

16. Oh right.

Ever heard of shaken baby syndrome?
I guess it's too bad those people don't know that water boarding will stop baby from crying.

[pnwmom]

18. The drowning reflex kicks in, causing babies to hold their breaths when

otherwise they would want to cry.

That is the point of the "baby breaking."

[pnwmom]

21. Here is a link to a video where Jessop talks about the "baby breaking."

She also says that her husband (the leader of the YFZ ranch) used to control her by hurting her children. Punishing her wouldn't have changed her behavior, so her punished her children in order to punish her.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24008870#24008870

[LisaL]

22. I've already told you my opinion on this.

[pnwmom]

23. I don't understand what you're saying.

Are you saying that baby breaking wouldn't work -- therefore they wouldn't do it?

These people aren't thinking rationally; they've been brainwashed for generations.

Yes, baby breaking wouldn't be an effective long term method of control. In fact, it's not even effective in the short term: Jessop said these baby breaking sessions could last as long as an hour, until the babies finally stopped crying out of exhaustion.

But think about it: many people persist in doing things that don't work, just because it's all they were taught.

[pnwmom]

17. You're right, it doesn't make any sense. A lot of their beliefs don't make

any sense. So?

Actually, they are aware that the baby won't remember what happened, not consciously. Carolyn Jessop talked about this in an interview. That's part of why they think they can do it. They can train the baby not to cry this way, to be submissive, but the baby won't remember what happened to it.

[OKthatsIT]

9. Seems like you're enjoying bashing these patheticly weak women

come on...move on

[pnwmom]

11. They are pathetically weak. But I'm even more concerned about their children.

It might be too late to save all the adults, but there is still hope for the children.

[la la]

2. I was switching channels and...

caught about 3 min of them on Larry King---those women are frightening---and Stepford like. I could see it all on SNL---so I quickly switched to KO! ;>)


:wtf: :crazy: :wow:

( lots of other 'smilies' I could use, but.........)

[Suich]

6. I saw them on Larry King, too.

Interesting when he asked each one about the father/husband. They seemed pretty rehearsed in their evasiveness.

Even though I admit to extreme pettiness, I had a hard time getting past the pioneer dresses and the HAIRDOS! Yikes!

[Richard D]

3. It's actually rather heartbreakingly sad.

[judasdisney]

5. Sad, until you see the active side of their fascism

Sad until you're a victim of it... like their children are. Like we all certainly would be if the Fundamentalists had their druthers.

[smiley_glad_hands]

4. Fundamentalism in America. eom

[Warpy]

12. No, they were kept in a prison where they were treated like children

or worse, like breeding stock for the gratification of the patriarchs.

I'm sure the punishment was severe for any woman who used her own voice.

[pnwmom]

19. I bet it was. The voice was part of being "sweet." n/t

[Rex]

13. You should be creeped out to an extent, like everything else.

Brainwashing is a horrible thing to do to a person, let alone small kids. Systematic torture and brainwashing and look what you end up with. I doubt these ladies will ever get a peaceful day again, if they ever had any.

They will be cut up by the media circus and sold off as parts of the news machine.

[pnwmom]

20. I think so, too, Rex. Seeing a human act like a robot is an upsetting thing. n/t