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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:48 PM Original message |
Anyone else struck by the eerie voicelessness |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. That entire situation is surreal. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's modeled for them mostly, I'm guessing. |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Holy cow, you're right. |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's very "Stepford Wifeish"....n/t |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm old enough to remember the Manson murders |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's their breathing. It isn't normal. It's shallow. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. and they have been stifled from day one.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I'm with you but I have a problem with the government cuts corners |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If they gave each and every one individual custom kid glove treatment |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. There is always a good reason to deprive people, especially women, |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. So you would turn the children back to their parents and let the abuse continue?? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. No, that would be ridiculous. Talk about leaping to conclusions. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Part of the problem was that the bigger facility they needed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Some of those women looked so young to me. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Some of them might have been teenagers. That's one of the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. There but for the grace of God. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Have you ever read "Trapped in the Mirror"? |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
287. How could you leave your children if you honestly feared for their emotional state? |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
160. I Agree With You |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
286. unfortunatly the women are adults and can do as they please. The indoctrination of the kids is abuse |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:50 PM Original message |
That makes sense to me, sfexpat2000. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. "If I only use a little air, maybe no one will notice." |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
249. Great observation. Lots of times people who grew up in alcoholic or similarly dysfunctional homes |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
87. Maybe they're wearing corsets under those dresses... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
215. I'll tell you what they're wearing: |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. To me |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Lots of women speak like that when they address someone in authority |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. I don't know ANY woman who speaks like that, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Do you remember Ted's girlfriend on the Mary Tyler Moore Show? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. You're right! I forgot all about her. Now imagine |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
60. You haven't noticed how Condi does it when she's |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I'd love to find a clip of that and listen to it again. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. You're right! How threatening must those questions have been |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. So what? Are you claiming Condi is being abused now? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
141. Condi is just one person. What was so weird about the FLDS situation |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #141 |
194. They are robotic virtual clones. Highly trained, at that. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #194 |
211. My mother heard someone question a former member about the voices. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
223. Yes, I was thinking of jackie Kennedy, too |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #223 |
241. Me, neither. I didn't pay any attention to her voice when I was a small child. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. They are little more than farm bred animals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. And how the government is STILL treating them. n/t |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. My guess is that we're on the same side of this argument, but how would you have them ....... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. We are on the same side. But I have serious problems |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. And you know the specific details of how they are being treated - HOW? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Because I read the news? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'm more concerned about how all the adults treated the children than |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It doesn't matter if they are serial killers. They have civil rights. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. The women were not in custody. They were free to leave at any time if they |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You must be joking. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
197. I'm not kidding. Haven't you been paying attention. The kids |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I think they are largely co-narcissists, with some narcissists among them, too. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. The thing is, if they were co-narcissists, they wouldn't need to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. A co-narcissist isn't necessarily a narcissist herself. Most probably aren't. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I 'm not sure than one can support that kind of pathology without |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
134. You could well be right. I think I've heard that a woman, for example, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Oh dear. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. I wonder how old they are. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. "Dr Drew from loveline can tell by a woman's voice when she was first sexually abused" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. I know what you mean. One of them said she was a grandmother, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Most of you are acting as if your regular teenagers never get |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You are seriously not understanding this situation or this thread. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Well, why don't you enlighten me. WTF do you think I am supposed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. This cult was about so much more than teenager girls getting knocked up. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. That's how they live. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I have great fear for the original 16 year old. My deep fear is that she was |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. It takes a long time to put a shattered personality back together |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I don't have the "great fear" for the orginal 16 year old. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Why are you so interested in discounting what these girls and women have gone through? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. They deny it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. That must be it. n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Oh I see. Someone is being abused regardless of what |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. lizzy, one of the ways abused women survive is to deny their abuse |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. But here is the thing. People who are actually |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Because women who are not abused behave and speak differently |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
143. No it doesn't, and please don't make false blanket statements like this. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Okay. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
227. You are wrong. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #227 |
232. I am in fact not wrong. And I have not attributed any special powers |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #232 |
235. That was stunning. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #235 |
238. You know, I have nothing to prove here or to you. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #143 |
254. No, there is no checklist involved. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #254 |
273. There is no checklist or magic ball or mind reading involved. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #273 |
278. And so the question with this FLDS group |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #278 |
282. If I were king of the hill, I'd break the kids' care down into |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #282 |
284. A psychiatrist who testified said that the authoritarian culture there |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #284 |
289. Don't you think most of them are under thirty? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
130. I think it is quite possible that they are covering up for abuse that has |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Someone whose boundaries have been destroyed in that way |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #133 |
242. So basically they're desperately trying to stay in the Land of Denial. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
126. The 6 women who went into safe houses apparently aren't denying it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. What the h is a "church penitent privilege"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. It's a term I haven't heard before either. I think they're implying something |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #131 |
237. I think it means they think they get something special in law for |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
200. How is it that the TWENTY OR THIRTY pregnant teens they found |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #200 |
245. CNN is reporting five. nt |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #245 |
257. IIRC, 18 were removed immediately from the compound. Those were |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
110. Carolyn Jessop, Merril's former wife, has said all along that she thought |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
127. I hear that investigators think the same person might have |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #127 |
188. Police investigators? Or investigators for the ranch? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #188 |
196. I am not aware that the ranch has any investigators. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #196 |
210. One of the CPS people today testified that when the police came |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. What do you think about this? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. Who knows? But it's apparently related to something in February. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. And what exactly would be Texas rangers doing there? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. I'm sure we will, eventually. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #217 |
221. I hope we really find out it all, so we could stop worrying |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #221 |
258. Lizzy, dear, you need to do more homework: |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #258 |
288. The only dolt here is you. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #214 |
220. More information. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #220 |
234. More rumors, you mean. Too bad they didn't at least name the TV station |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
199. I personally think she went into that incinerator/crematory in the temple. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #199 |
208. So, now you are accusing them of murder? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #208 |
248. It's just someone's opinion. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
198. Why are you supporting child rapists and infant torturers? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #68 |
247. Yes. I suppose you could say the same about genital mutilation. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. Our regular teenagers aren't subject to arranged marriages on the spur of |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
246. Well, yes, but most of their parents are probably disappointed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Yup. And most of their faces were unlined. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
24. this is a great question -- you can't have patriarchy where women speak freely. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. You remind me of Tilley Olson's book, "The World Cracked Open". |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
124. this issue has me getting out my old feminism textbooks -- mary daly, luce irigaray |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
213. Bingo.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. Yes, I noticed that too |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
281. Submissive. They sound submissive. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. Yes, you've made it blatantly clear you are struck by the way |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. No matter how they look or sound, they all are entitled to due process. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. They seem to have been talking well enough on LKL. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That's scary. They were obviously traumatized. They are obviously |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. They are wearing basically the same clothes Amish are |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The Amish live in a different culture. That culture is supportive |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Supportive of what? I've read stories about sexual abuse |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. For Chrissake. The Amish culture is not organized around pedophilia. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I haven't seen any evidence produced by the state of TX that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. You're mistaking a cultural difference for abuse. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You've absolutely lost me, because your comment makes no |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Trade you. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
236. Sf, I have to ask you this: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #236 |
240. I have no doubt that at some level, these people are trying to CYA. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. have you seen any of the interviews with the women who managed to escape? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Heartbreaking. But also, hopeful that there are good people out there |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I've posted the same link before you did. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. so why are you saying there is no evidence of abuse? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I haven't seen any evidence about this particular sect. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You watched that parade of abused women that showed their abuse |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. No I am not a social worker. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. They couldn't make eye contact. They weren't breathing deeply enough |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. It tells me nothing. I don't make good eye contact. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Okay. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
224. You said they had no family and friends |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #224 |
233. You're right. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. they are the same sect |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. this ought to answer some of your questions: |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Barely 18 is 18. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. "she was probably impregnated when she was 16." |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. 16 is the age of consent in the state of TX. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. which part of "consent" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. But the law isn't the point, is it? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. If you are concerned about well being of these women, how |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. You seem not to have read my posts to this thread |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. again, which part of "consent" |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. You have to have someone saying they haven't consented. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. and so to you |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I don't know what is involved, but I am not going to run around |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. for someone who doesn't "know what is involved" |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Unless you were there, you have no clue as to what involved |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. i'm not the one claiming that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. That's not true. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #104 |
239. These are parents who allowed the felon, Jeffs, to arrange "spiritual marriages" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
229. There is a 16 year old girl reported to have four children already. |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #99 |
280. actually, 17 is the age of consent. and, in most states, if there is more than |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #98 |
139. You're assuming this is a first pregnancy. n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #139 |
144. She has one child. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #144 |
164. and you know HOW |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #164 |
195. I saw her interviewed on TV. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
145. A sixteen year old girl can't consent to a much older man |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Do you understand what age of consent means? |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #149 |
156. Texas age of consent is seventeen, not sixteen |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #156 |
173. You can get married at 16 with parental consent. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Yes, that is my point |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. so parental consent |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #178 |
189. My point is that if it's statutory rape |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #189 |
209. If Texas has evidence of such things, then they could remove and |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #209 |
228. First things first. I assume they will be prosecuting some of the men, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #173 |
225. They most likely were not legal marriages. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
125. This particular sect is run by Merril Jessop, who is the ex-husband |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. From everything I've read, I believe placing these children |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. i have a good idea what WON'T happen |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #135 |
150. The state already took a bunch of those teenage boys |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. no, they are not at "the ranch |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. WTF are you calling rumors? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. And here is another. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. please apply some of your |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. so are you alleging |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. I am not alleging anything. I am stating a fact. The boys |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #162 |
170. i initially went by my initial research |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #170 |
179. It's a ranch for troubled boys and girls. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. once again |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. At least they abolished corporal punishment in the mid 1990. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. your research skills are improving |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #191 |
255. That puts them ahead of the YFZ ranch then. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. lizzy, I agree with you that this is a nightmare of a situation, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #136 |
151. More girls then boys could simply be genetic. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
159. yeah, just like India and China |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Nothing like making horrible allegations without a shred of proof, |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. "Babyland" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #165 |
172. Girl babies are commonly aborted in China and India, after ultrasounds |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #151 |
169. No, statistically that's impossible in this case. The numbers are much |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #169 |
176. A lot of these people are probably related, so you normal |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #176 |
185. I'll look for the numbers again, but I only saw them once. I only know |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. that sure sounds like "The Handmaid's Tale" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. I've been thinking about that book a lot, too. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #151 |
182. but in a group this large, it should be roughly fifty/fifty |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Why don't someone tell what it is? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #151 |
259. Nope. Oh, and BTW, what university level biology and genetics |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
264. You do realize the boys are kicked out as young teens right? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. The foster care system in this country is an obscenity |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
97. The Amish give their adolescents their "running around years." |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Even your normal teenager if left on his or her own would not make |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
142. The Amish teens are not left on their own. They're still living with their families, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Amish in the city. They do move away from their homes. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. "They do move away from their homes" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. So? That's just some of them. n/t |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #102 |
202. Amish have ABUNDANT exposure to the world of the English. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Oh I don't know. Just dresses? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #206 |
260. Genetic diseases are seen in many relatively insular religious communities. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
85. I grew up near Amish country. The Amish women don't sound like that |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. These women are capable of having a conversation. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. The women I saw appeared to be unable to speak in normal tones, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
81. I have said nothing about the way they dress, not anywhere. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Yea, if the state had any evidence of baby waterboarding, |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. and you know that how? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Nope. But usually someone who makes a claim has to provide |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. but you don't know what evidence the state has, do you? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. No, I don't, and neither do you. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. oh yeah- you are so open-minded about this, aren't you? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. completely |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
166. Unfortunately, most people don't abuse their children with videotape running. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
122. We don't know yet what the state is alleging or what the evidence will be. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. I've heard other women claiming that even those six are now |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #128 |
138. I don't have any particular reason to believe them. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #128 |
147. which "other women"? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. I only believe the DFPS a lick more because the whole state government |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. i feel for the kids |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Oh, no! |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. i'm a secular Buddhist Religious Scientist humanist |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #174 |
180. Why make trouble? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. because i want HIS SHOES |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. The last pair of Doc Martins I bought are EXACTLY that color. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. red shoes rock |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #128 |
204. Salt Lake Tribune, IIRC, reported today that TWENTY TO THIRTY |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #204 |
219. Yes. This is the opposite of the usual case: girls sneaking around |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #91 |
203. You don't know that. The medical records and documents |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. Little girl? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #207 |
261. You've got nerve condoning child rape. And yes, that's EXACTLY what you are doing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #203 |
222. Thanks for the links. n/t |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
201. The children weren't taken away because of the way they talk or dress, |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. They remind me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. And you called them "cow women"? |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
250. Seriously. That was a strange post./nt |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. "Come play with us Danny, for ever and ever and ever..." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
140. Eww. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
205. OMG, so true! |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
175. definitely a product of mind control |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
218. And all wear the same dress |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
226. There was a study of voices in the last year or so --- in suppressed areas/conservative ... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #226 |
230. I haven't heard any males speak from the community. I wonder why. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-17-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. Here's what the men sound like: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #231 |
252. Maybe so! |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
243. "A Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
244. It's not just the style of speech, it's the fact that they all seem to parrot a few phrases |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #244 |
251. And sometimes they parrot them in unison. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #251 |
256. Very Newspeak-esque |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
253. Do they all sound similar? Could it be genetics? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #253 |
262. They are well-trained clones. |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. Well, that's a little bit closer than I thought they might be genetically |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #263 |
268. I hear that they way they enforce good behavior among the mothers is by |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #268 |
272. And yet, hearing that, you can dehumanize them as "trained clones"? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #272 |
283. I admit to mixed feelings about the mothers. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #283 |
290. Is anyone here doing that? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #253 |
270. No, it's definitely not genetics. I experimented with my own voice |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
265. This post has certainly highlighted some people with truly fucked up realities. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
266. I can't believe people on this site are DEFENDING this sect. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. Just a couple very disturbed individuals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #266 |
274. It broke my heart to see those young faces that have been so |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #266 |
276. the most vociferous defender |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
269. I know a woman who was raised within a strict Christian environment |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #269 |
271. The psychiatrist who testified today says the environment causes brains |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #269 |
275. That's so sad. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
277. Their voices remind me of the aliens in Galaxy Quest. |
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Sheltiemama (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
279. Last night, it hit me who they sound like. |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #279 |
285. yep. their culture, as small and narrow as it is, is influencing their speech. |
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