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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:34 PM
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Bill bars Fla. medical license for doctors who studied in Cuba
Bill bars Fla. medical license for doctors who studied in Cuba
http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/story.asp?S=8194809&nav=menu98_3
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Americans who get their medical degree in Cuba would be prohibited from practicing medicine in Florida under a bill passed by the House.

The measure is aimed at students who accept scholarships from the Cuban government to attend the Latin American School of Medical Sciences in Havana. About 150 American students are currently enrolled in the school. They would be prevented from getting medical licenses in Florida if they were to move here.

The bill passed 107-3 today. It now goes to the Senate.



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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:36 PM
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1. Perhaps if the State of Florida subsidized the education of its med students, no one would go Cuba.
Has the Florida legislature thought of that?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:44 PM
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7. Anyone who suggested such a thing in Fla would be accused of being a Fidelista.
Here in Florida the rules are easy.

Privatization = good
Socialism = bad
USA = good
Cuba = bad


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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:38 PM
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2. This proves it the legislature of FL is made up of a bunch of MORAN'S.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:39 PM
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3. Decision should be by licensing board, not legislators!
So these legislators now consider themselves experts in what constitutes an adequate medical education?
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:40 PM
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4. Does that mean they are free to practice in any of the other 49 states?
Seems like an empty gesture for political points.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:47 PM
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8. Empty gesture? Not for the US students who've gone to med school in Cuba.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:40 PM
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5. Got to make sure students are in debt, right?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:47 PM
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9. And it's getting much harder to get student loans.
Our government is insane.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:58 PM
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11. Isn't it interesting that so many call Cuba a brutal dictatorship, but yet ...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 12:59 PM by Mika
.. No one can say with any credibility that universal education and universal health care needs to be forced on any population. One Cuban, Castro, didn't give it to them either. Together, nearly all Cubans worked hard to create the infrastructure and systems that they felt were essential for any progressive system.

The Cuban people wanted universal health care for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals and goals, and organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a fair and complete h-c system.

The people of Cuba wanted universal education for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for and created government that represented their ideals, organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a complete and world class ed system, and they have it.

Cubans want to assist the world's poor with doctors and educators, instead of gun ship diplomacy.. and that is what they have done WITH their government, not at odds with their government.

It seems to me that Cubans actually have a more representative government than we do in the US. Americans of nearly all ilk desire these very same things that Cubans in Cuba do, but yet, we do not have it.

It doesn't happen from the top -> down. It happens from the bottom -> up.

Cubans did it. So can we.



Hasta La Victoria Siempre!





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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:09 PM
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13. I don't see any sign of representative government in this country.
We have a great deal of pageantry that incidently makes a great deal of money for our owners.

(When Gore Vidal used to use that term, "our owners", I thought he was exaggerating. I don't think so any more.)
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:48 PM
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16. ...and in debt to the right people, too. nt
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:44 PM
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6. Good!

More Doctors for the rest of us.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 12:47 PM
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10. Huh?
:crazy:


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:26 PM
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22. Whaaaa? WTF????

How hard is it for some people to think first, THEN post?
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:28 PM
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24. It's simple, really...

...if the Cuban educated Dr.s aren't allowed to practice in Florida, they'll have to settle in some other state. More Doctors for those of us in the other states. We have communities here in rural Washington that have no Doctors.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:26 PM
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35. Heh. I doubt Omak is gonna see an uptick.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:08 PM
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12. Good for them!
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 01:09 PM by roody
We need doctors in my state! Sorry Floridians; I wouldn't want to wish living in Florida on anybody.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:17 PM
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14. Florida, Full speed in reverse
they'll make more money in Calif.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:30 PM
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15. Poor minority kid I used to work with
at a mental health facility was working to put himself through college. He had a full time job and went to school full time. How he managed to do that and still pull a B average was phenomenal.

He wanted to go to medical school, but did not see how he was going to find the money to do it. He told me he did not think he could work full time while in medical school.

I suggested Cuba to him. He was of Cuban and African heritage. I hope he somehow managed to live his dream. He certainly gave it his all and then some.

As someone else said, Florida is not the only state in the union and I bet most others pay a hell of a lot more.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:52 PM
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17. What shits! Can you imagine anything more mean-spirited?
Goes to show ya what Diebold/ES&S voting machines can do.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:59 PM
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27. Seems to be popular to some DUers.
Pathetic.


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:01 PM
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18. Here's an idea, let's give Florida to Cuba, kind of a "We're sorry we
ruined your country and and have tried to crush your population for the last hundred years" gift (but you have to keep the nut-job assholes, it's a package).




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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:10 PM
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19. Florida .. Someone said they are a third world country ,, Think it was a Republican. n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:11 AM
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43. Some of us do our best work in 3rd world locations.
Please don't abandon us. Please, help us.





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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:14 PM
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20. THANK FUCKING GOD
That asshole Cuban who treated our daughter spent more time ragging on the Clintons than he did treating our daughter, she got sicker and almost died. Fuck him, fuck them
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:55 PM
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39. so, ONE doctor flipped you out on all of them?
Look, this issue sounds more emotional for you. I seriously doubt ALL Cuban trained docs suck because the ONE who treated your daughter obviously did.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:15 PM
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40. I'm sure they believe in universal health care and the are all democrats
thats why they move to florida

d'uh
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:22 PM
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41. Well, I wouldn't know about that
but, I also wouldn't try to make that assumption after meeting ONE.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:15 PM
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21. how very BUSH of them
funny but sad
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:28 PM
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23. Good
We have government mandated standards in this country and we should stick to em....
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:54 PM
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26. That isn't what the issue is. They would still have to pass Fla exams ...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 04:01 PM by Mika
What the bill would do is prevent anyone who attended a Cuban med school from getting a Fl license even if they passed Florida boards.

Just like all states, no one can legally practice medicine in Fl without a FL license.

It is a purely punitive and discriminatory action.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:33 PM
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25. they're doing them a favour- otherwise some of those docs might open a practice there...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 03:33 PM by QuestionAll
this way saves them the headaches and shame of living there...now if only texas could do the same.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:06 PM
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28. sheesh
What if they banned nurses trained in the Philippines? I think the US in general has a lot of foreign trained medical personnel. In fact, I think we purposefully target and recruit medical professionals away from poorer countries that really need the services, on a regular basis. What a stinkin' petty world we live in. I hope the Dr's just go elsewhere.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:10 PM
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29. another win for the AMA. Protectionism seems to be OK is this case.
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 04:10 PM by burythehatchet
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:14 PM
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30. How so?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:16 PM
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31. By artificially keeping the supply of good physicians low in order to increase their
own market value.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:19 PM
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32. As noted in other posts, they can practice in other states if they pass state requirements.
So, overall, its not going to impact any supply. Just in Fl.


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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:23 PM
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33. It's a nationwide practice that the AMA is perpetuating - doctor shortages.
It just means Florida is going to have an even bigger doctor shortage, driving up Florida physician wages even further.... There's only a certain number of openings in current med schools, and the AMA won't approve any more openings which ensures a limited supply of US trained doctors.

Unfortunately it also looks to be blatant pandering to the Cuban community in Miami , without having a lot of other background details on this.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:24 PM
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34. Which is ironic is it not? That Cuban doctors aren't allowed to serve the Cuban
population in Florida.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:28 PM
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36. They're Americans.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 07:54 PM
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42. Not all
A significant percentage of Cuban migrants have not (and do not intend to) become US citizens.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:28 PM
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37. 107-3
Wow.

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:31 PM
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38. Yup, pretty ugly. nt
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:57 PM
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44. These right wing zealots sitting in Tallahassee have 2 more weeks to assault Florida.
It will be worse than anything we've ever seen.


The alarms are blasting, but the GOP smash and grab goes on.


Thanks, Mika, for adding that story.


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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:23 AM
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45. The cold war is over. Isn't it time to move foreword?
I am no Castro fan but the isolation policy no longer makes sense.
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