How does one commit suicide while being bound and gagged?

[CatWoman]

:shrug:

Palestinian Activist Found Dead in Texas

And a prominent pro-Palestinian activist in Texas has died after drowning in a lake. Riad Hamad was the founder of the Palestine Children’s Welfare Fund and raised millions of dollars through his organization for schools, charitable organizations and hospitals. Local police say Hamad was found gagged and bound in the lake. While police say he likely committed suicide, questions have been raised over his death. Prior to his death, Hamad had been under FBI surveillance. In late February, FBI and IRS agents raided his office and seized forty boxes of tax returns and other documents. No charges were filed at the time, but investigators claimed they had probable cause to investigate wire fraud, bank fraud and money laundering. Riad Hamad was fifty-five years old.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/21/headlines#16

[Benhurst]

1. As I recall, such suicides were not uncommon in the Soviet Union.

[leftchick]

23. there you go

:thumbsup:

[Lerkfish]

2. the simple answer is : you don't. someone helps you.

forcibly and against your will.

[Poll_Blind]

3. Reminds me of Clifford J Baxter's (of Enron) "suicide"

link

PB

[Juche]

4. It is possible

Don't know if I'd believe it, but it can happen. Some people do things like tie themselves up to overcome the survival response. I knew a guy once who was trying to kill himself so he put a plastic bag over his head and handcuffed his hands behind his back so he wouldn't rip the bag off. Didn't work, he opened the door, started running outside and was eventually taken to a hospital. I'm probably evil for finding the image of a handcuffed person with a plastic bag on their head running around funny.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Stupid funny for sure

[villager]

5. "Suicide" has a new, expansive definition in the Bush era...

n/t

[stimbox]

8. It's become a verb

They suicided him.

[nomorenomore08]

6. Whenever it's convenient for someone to "disappear."

nt

[Richard D]

7. Quite easy . . ..

. . . with a little help from a "friend".

[uppityperson]

9. Odd. but he could have done it. Here's police report link... RIP Riad.

http://home.kxan.com/news_PDFs/4.17.08APD-hammad.pdf

When the body was removed from the lake, tape was found around the eyes, and the hands and legs were loosely bound. The bindings of his hands and legs and placement of the tape were consistent with Hamad having done this to himself. Detectives know that Hamad walked from his vehicle to the water on his own based on evidence retrieved from the scene.

[dkofos]

10. Hold their breath till they turn blue!!

[niyad]

11. my father once told me about a man, convicted of raping and murdering an infant,

who, the morning he was scheduled to be transferred to the state pen, was discovered to have hung himself in the night.

of course, nobody bothered to explain how he had hung himself with his hands tied behind his back.

[Occam Bandage]

16. I had an ex-girlfriend attempt to hang herself in the same way.

Fortunately, she failed. However, she had in the past used her hands to free herself after "hanging" herself, and she didn't want to "chicken out" again. So she tied the rope around her neck, then tied her hands behind her back, and then tried again.

Fortunately, she screwed up the knot on her neck and lived. She then just laid there until I came back.

Last I heard she was on antidepressants, in therapy and feeling fine. So, you know, happy ending. But it can happen that way.

[niyad]

18. in this case, everybody knew who had done it, another inmate also scheduled for transfer.

the view seemed to be "no great loss, saves the taxpayers a lot of money"

[Horse with no Name]

13. The same way a woman in custody of Homeland Security

in a US Airport hangs herself while she was handcuffed?:shrug:

[uppityperson]

14. Duct tape. Police report said duct tape.

said his hands were where it would have been possible for him to do it himself. I posted the report in another reply here. Poor guy.

[Occam Bandage]

15. It's certainly possible. Many suicides attempt to restrain themselves to prevent themselves

from escaping, especially if they've "chickened out" and failed in the past. It certainly wouldn't be impossible to gag yourself and bind your hands to prevent yourself from swimming.

Basic forensics would show if he had resisted the bonds. I assume they've checked for characteristic bruising/tearing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Auto-erotic asphyxiation, usually.

Every now and then cops find people who've strangled themselves to death during particularly... involved masturbatory acts, usually involving handcuffs and lots of leather.

Never heard of a case involving a lake though.

[DCKit]

19. A water/bondage fetish?

These political types are kinky.

:sarcasm:

[Wizard777]

20. In suicide some people will devise fail safes.

That basically to over come the involuntary actions of the self preservation instinct. Suicide is not as easy as you might think. Because your trying to get your brain to do something that it wasn't designed to do. That's self terminate. To be sucessful you must defeat the self preservation instinct. That's where the fail safes come in. Using a gun can be considered a fail safe because it kills you before the self preservation instinct can react. Other fail safes render the self presevation instincts ineffective. Like tying up or cuffing yourself before jump into water so you can swim back to the top.

Questions I would ask.

1. If he was "bound" with ropes. Could he have tied the knots himself?
2. Has he attempted suicide before? (Empirical discovery of the self preservation instinct.)
3. Has he researched suicide? (Learned about the self preservation instinct.)

[leftchick]

21. His Home was Raided by the FEDS shortly before his death

which makes the suicide story much less believable. :(

[Bonobo]

22. Ask that 45 year-old mother of 3 that was murdered by thugs in the Phoenix airport.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/01/phoenix.airport.death/index.html

[uppityperson]

24. Very odd bit from that article.

If I were handcuffed, with hands behind my back, I'd bring them under my feet not over my head. Over head would dislocate shoulders. How could she get it tangled around her neck if it was going under her feet?

On Saturday, Hill said investigators guessed that "Gotbaum had possibly tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, got tangled up in the process and they ended up around her neck area."

[Bonobo]

25. Impossible to do what they describe. It was murder.

[malaise]

26. Good one

I don't plan to forget Carol.

[uppityperson]

27. My condolences to all affected by Riad's death.

Reading more about him, I don't know. People do strange things, and I don't trust the establishment to not do things. I don't know but I am sorry as he sounds like he was quite a person.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Kick!