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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:20 PM
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A rant from my right wing cousin!
I was chatting with my right-wing cousin (it gives me chills to think I have a neo-con for a cousin) about the recent crime problems in Chicago, and this is the rant that he went on. I suggested that his dad, our uncle, who is a retired cop, should be the police chief in Chicago. Here is the response that I got:

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Subject: RE: 32 people shot, 6 killed, in violent Chicago weekend


No. My Dad loved being a cop, but he's happy his time on the force is done. He'd never go back to it now if he could and the reason is he would tell you, "This (Chicago's Crime) is what happens when the police department is forced to hire a bunch of former gang-banging N*gg*ers."

The CPD used to be primarily cops of German, Polish, Irish and Italian descent, but now in today's political correct era, you have to hire a bunch of women, blacks and Hispanics. The women bring weakness to the force and given that Chicago's Top Ten most wanted criminals are all blacks and Hispanics in a city that still has more white people in terms of population, you do the math.

That may not sound very nice, but that is the cold hard reality in Chicago and other big urban centers. My Dad moved out of the city in 1970 knowing that if he were caught he'd be fired. Mayor Daley (the Father) had an edict that stated all Chicago firefighters and police officer were required to live in the city limits of Chicago. Failure to comply was immediate dismissal. The main reason was that the firefighters and police officers were mostly white guys and the white guys that got anywhere were Masons too. That was one of the reasons my dad became a 32nd Degree Mason and member of the Shriners. Daley's objective was to thwart "White Flight" to the Suburbs. The reason my Dad left Chicago in his words, "I don't want my children going to school and living with a bunch of N*gg*ers."

Now, my son has been taught that the "N" word is bad for many reasons. We have black family members - more to follow, and because using that word will only get you in more trouble than it's worth, but in terms of my Dad's view of the world, I completely agree with his sentiments. I mean I wouldn't live in a gang-invested neighborhood like Compton. Would you? Additionally, these sentiments are common among the vast majority of white cops and the handful of decent Black cops.

I don't hate black people, but I do admit to having prejudices and I'm an advocate of racial profiling, because it can save your life, e.g. If I see a N*gg*er or even a White Trash POS I will cross the street to avoid them and my awareness and defenses go into a heighten state of alert. The reality is there are "Black" People or African-Americans that I like and there are N*gg*ers whom I wouldn't give the time of day. For example, my cousin is married to a very nice and conservative African-American and so I have second cousins with 1/2 AA blood in them versus N*gg*er or White Trash blood. Additionally, I look forward to reelecting my African-American state representative to the legislature, because he's not a N*gg*r. He's a successful AA or Black man whom I highly respect. If anything to the N*gg*ers of America this African-American is an Uncle Tom, but clearly there is a difference between an African-American citizen of value versus a N*gg*r, who is as dumb and useless as some piece of White Trash POS.

Now you have the unvarnished truth. These sentiments were the same from my Dad's Dad and Mom, the Republican side and my Mom's Dad and Mom, the Democrat side. My family is an equal opportunity friend of African-Americans and dislikers of N*gg*rs.

If you think old man Daley, Democrat was a champion for Blacks for having a bunch of Government Projects built - guess again. Old man Daley was so nice that he had all of Chicago's poor blacks housed like chattel in high-rise, gang-invested dumps as seen in the opening credits to Jimmy Walker's Dynomite "Good Times" show, because he like my Dad - who left the city - didn't want N*gg*ers living in his neighborhood. That's the cold, hard, sad facts.

When I tell you that Northerners are as prejudiced if not more than Southerners I don't say that to denigrate where I come from. I say that because it's the damned truth. Are you glad you asked?

Well now you know the rest of my Chicago Yankee "N*gg*r-hater" story. How's that for transparency? BTW, I cringe sometimes when I visit my drinking buddy whom you enjoyed speaking with on the phone many moons ago. When he's drunk, he throws the N bomb around as if we were discussing Chicago Cubs or Boston Red Sox baseball and he has some nice African-Americans living next door. Indeed it is not my intent to offend. I simply desire total honesty; however, one of these days, if I'm not careful my buddy is going to get drunk, shoot off his mouth and then get us both shot. But if that happens at least it will serve to validate everything I just told you.

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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:24 PM
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1. better not ever look in the mirror, buddy, because what you see may make you
want to cross the street to get away from some "white trash POS."

And I'm just stunned that there's someone who doesn't realize why the people who protect and police a population should be a member of that population (live in the city limits) and look like the rest of the population (ie, not all be one color).
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:28 PM
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2. Good point, NoodleBoy
And I'm just stunned that there's someone who doesn't realize why the people who protect and police a population should be a member of that population (live in the city limits) and look like the rest of the population (ie, not all be one color).
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I agree with you. You can't have all white cops policing a diverse city like Chicago. Not only that, if they really tried, they could find a diverse mix of applicants to be cops in Chicago.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:30 PM
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3. Correction
Not only that, if they really tried, they could find a diverse mix of applicants of high quality to be cops in Chicago.
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:31 PM
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4. My Wife and I...
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 05:32 PM by N4457S
...are originally from NE Ohio and every time we pick up the phone to talk to someone from back home, we hear that word.

This is about the overall shrinking of the economic pie in the Rust Belt. We didn't hear it when we lived in Dallas. They're more likely to get upset if you don't drop your Gs or slur your Rs when speaking or don't wear jeans and boots to work on a Friday. They don't really care what color you are as long as you still want to be a Texan.

We didn't hear it when we lived in Los Angeles, and we definitely don't hear it in San Francisco.

But we always hear it from Ohio and Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter whether they're Democrat or Republican.

It's always there. It's part of the reason we moved away.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:39 PM
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10. Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that about Ohio
or Pennsylvania.
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:09 PM
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24. It's Bad...
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 06:11 PM by N4457S
...and getting worse.

My concern, as a former Rust Belter, is that Ohio and Pennsylvania and states like it are becoming increasingly isolated from the rest of the nation.

It's getting to the point where my wife and I have less and less in common with people we knew back home. It was a little bit like that when we moved from Ohio to Dallas, got a little worse when going from Dallas to LA and the whole cultural disconnect thing really kicked in when we moved to San Francisco. They still speak to us but we may as well be monsters with horns.

We're no one special. We went to public schools, public universities, graduated and took jobs in Dallas, went on for more tech training, etc. We don't have kids because our careers were more important but dammit...anyone could have done what we've done. Anyone!
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:44 PM
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25. Wow!
You and your wife have been quite active! Good for you! I'm surrounded by right-wingers here in Oklahoma, so its hard. I know what you are talking about!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 06:20 AM
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30. Carvel had one thing right about PA...
Philly in the east, Pittsburgh in the west, Alabama in the middle. There's a huge dominionist movement there as well (Ohio too, Home of Touchdown Jesus)

-Hoot
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Bettie Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:32 PM
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5. Joey, I'm so sorry you're related to someone like that.
Sadly, he sounds like both of my brothers and my mother.

My mother's favorite thing to tell me is that because I am college educated and have lived in the midwest my whole life, I just don't understand that "they" have a "different culture" which doesn't value education or laws. You see, "they" just want to kill all the white people and take their stuff because "they" have no moral compass, its not their fault, it is just their nature.

She's an idiot and I'm ashamed to be related to her sometimes (OK, often).

Oh and the only racism that exists in this country is against white, christian men, who are unjustly persecuted at every turn (this nugget of wisdom courtesy of my mother and both brothers).
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:41 PM
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11. Thanks Bettie
He is my cousin and as a result I have to beat him on regular basis (KIDDING!).

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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:35 PM
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6. Ohh, that;s one of my favorites
When they say there are black people and there are n*******

I love that one, it is a fucking classic and hell I bet 5% of DU would agree with it even though it is 100% garbage spouted by racist pigs.
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Bettie Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:36 PM
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8. My mother says that one too....
...and there are white N****** too, its really just a generic term for a lazy, shiftless person!

Yet, I never hear that particular term applied to anyone who isn't black....odd, isn't it?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:43 PM
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13. I hear that stuff about Liberals all of the time!
It sucks to live in a red state:).............
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:42 PM
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12. Jeez, I hope nobody on DU thinks like that! n/t
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:35 PM
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7. Yikes...
I live in the middle of a family involved in law enforcement - We are Democrats - BUT we have rightwinger friends and they are also in law enforcement. None of them ever talk like this IN FRONT OF US.... We are Democrats who have a Barrack Obama sign in our window. We are of European ancestry - Not black. I would be very offended by such a dialog that you have reported here.

I am sorry that you listened to your cousin for as long as you did. Maybe a simple "Hey, asshole - WTF is wrong with you?" may be appropriate if you have to listen to this shit again.

:hi:

Good luck in the future.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:45 PM
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15. Thanks, Gilligan
He's like a right wing version of the little kid in "Leave it to Beaver". He doesn't know know what he's talking about, but we can't disown him, although we'd like to at times:)............
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:49 PM
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26. Joey
You may not be able to disown him but from experience I can tell you he needs to be told that his hatred is not acceptable. He will be outraged at first but when he crawls under his rock at night he will reflect on what you said and what HE said. He will look at himself and he will begin to see his hatred for what it is. Tell him that he is a racist and tell him it is ugly. Silence condones his bullshit.

Best to you.

:toast:
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:23 PM
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28. Well put Gillgan, well put indeed n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:39 PM
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9. Every family has at least one
and my family has one hard core and one soft core (married a fundy). Nobody talks to the former and all attempts to keep contact with him after his parents died failed due to his constant spouting of right wing talking points at the most inappropriate times.

It's really sad, but zealotry and bigotry do shatter families.

I hope life events fall on these folks like a ton of cinderblocks because I think that is what it will take for them to deprogram. Unfortunately, I think the economy is so far gone that it is just about ready to happen.

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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:47 PM
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17. Yes, every family has one
Nothing I can do about it. He's a good guy, but he's just misguided in many ways.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:44 PM
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14. it was the people like your dad who created the black underclass
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 05:53 PM by pretzel4gore
reactionaries. And no one else. No black person ever benefited (materially) from policies that intentionally destroyed the faith in life and hope for the future in a lil black child. And guess who warned your dad's racist type people to do nothing that would 'lead a child into sin'? And guess who, generation after generation, did exactly that? The southern white folk, and asses like your dad who went along with them, that's who. If you read Bruce Catton's civil war series, Catton recounts the former slaves who formed labour pools that followed Union armies. It's heart breaking today to read that your dad (and millions of others of similar git) have the sheer gall to blame what THEY made of them ON THEM! And if your dad'd type doesn't wise up before ole horny drags them to hell, well the lesson will be learned, even if it takes a billion years...
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:48 PM
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18. Not MY dad, but I get your point:).............. n/t
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:59 PM
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22. your cousin's great granpa's grandson!
:)
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM
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23. I've disowned them all!
I'm the "family liberal"! :)......................
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:47 PM
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16. Your right-wing cousin is probably more classist than racist.
And ignorant either way.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:51 PM
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20. Yes, I can agree with that :)...............
I tell him all of the time that we need to do a DNA test, because frankly, I don't see how he can have the same blood as me. I think he was dropped off at my uncle's door step by some homeless Nazis or KKK members. Perhaps he is the offspring of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter - I just don't know :)...........
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:49 PM
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19. Let's not forget the reason why there is a moritorium on the death penalty
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 05:51 PM by mucifer
in IL. It's because many black men on death row were there because they were tortured into false confessions and john burge who was the police commander who ordered this is not accountable because apparently there is a statue of limitations which has run out so he is retired and living in Florida on a government pension.

http://humanrights.uchicago.edu/chicagotorture/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-991117deathillinois4,1,1948043.story


BTW Obama worked in the state legislature against the actions of the police and got a bill passed for the video taping of confessions.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:55 PM
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21. Good points
My cousin is such a right wing dork. He reminds me of a modern day Eddie Haskell. Remember the irritating kid on "Leave it to Beaver"? :)........................ That's my right-wing cousin.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:50 PM
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27. ".... however, one of these days, if I'm not careful my buddy is going to get drunk,
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 06:52 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
shoot off his mouth and then get us both shot."

And if you survive, with a bit of luck, it will teach you not to use the word, "nigger", to indicate any other human being, however badly they may represent certain people, made in the image of God, no less than you are. Calling one group "white trash" doesn't make it OK to call another "niggers". "White trash" has a whole nother history, and will never convey the depth of hatred contained in the word "nigger", with its lamentably sacriligious history.

By doing so, you disparage yourself, not the person you describe. "Nigger" is a word that has become a repository of a particularly demonic degree of hatred, which led to slavery, lynchings, "sundown" towns and all the rest.

Don't kid yourself you're superior to others, because you call yourself a liberal. Progressive liberalism takes a commitment to distance yourself from hate-mongers in your speech as well as other behaviour, even though those bad mouthers may be family or friends.

Of course, you're right about profiling when it becomes a practical necessity, although of course the hate-mongers will abuse it.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I ended up with the impression you thought it OK to call bad African Americans "niggers", as long as you were happy with the term "white trash". The origin of that too is lamentable, as is the term "trailer trash". It's always an economically marginalised group who seem to be so inferior in this way. The reality is quite different. The lynchings were organised by relatively monied folk, such as shopkeepers, saw-mill bosses, etc. If you think for a moment about your Republican politicians, you'll realise that they aren't fit to lick the boots of most so-called "trailer-trash" people.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:25 PM
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29. Great response!
Thanks.
JL
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:18 PM
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31. I'm not trying to start a mutual admiration society, but I have to say,
your response here was better than my needlessly intemperate tone deserved. It was my privilege.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:43 PM
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33. Thanks
I'm an easy guy to get along with, KCabotDullesMarxIII.
JL
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:23 PM
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32. "I don't hate black people, but ... "
That's the problem with the world today... too many buts. Your cousin is a huge but(t).
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:47 PM
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34. Yes, my cousin knows that he's wrong
He's a great guy that unfortunately has chosen to follow the Rush Limbaugh's, Ann Coulter's, and Bill O'Really's of the world. Perhaps there is some hope for him after all. I have faith in him. I think he'll change his ways eventually.
JL
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:00 PM
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35. You're a good cousin...
I have a few just like that too.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:53 PM
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36. Thanks!
I'd like to disown him sometimes, but I just can't do it. He's a pesky little right winger with a heart of gold:)............
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