The foot soldier R's have come to realize that the neo-con era

[rasputin1952]

has come very close to destroying the nation they say they hold so dear. I have seen many here in Nebraska condemn those who couldn't "pull themselves up by their bootstraps", while they aided in milking the Treasury dry in so many ways. I used to hear farmers complain about "welfare queens", as they headed off to the bank to cash their subsidy checks while the price of grain was at an all time high. I've heard them complain about the price of fuel, while they pay no tax on the fuel they use to fill up their 12 foot long dual cab pickups w/the V8 450 cubic inch engine from farm fuel.

I see the privates in the GOP Army hoping for aid before they lose their homes, while they complained about their tax money going to aid a single parent w/2 kids...all $325 a month in a cash payment, not enough to pay the rent/gas/elec bills. But they are screaming for relief now, although they were under the impression that neo-con policies would make them wealthy beyond their wildest dreams...what they got was unemployment, and then the GOP put the kabosh on that.

They called for Social Security reform, they don't anymore, after seeing the financial policies that have been put into place by the GOP, they are glad they might have something to fall back on.

McCain is seen as more of the same, and NE might, just might, go Blue for the first time since Lyndon Johnson, in an attempt to stop the insanity.

But far and away, the most painful thing is to watch the tears of the families and friends of soldiers being buried because of this excursion into the Middle East. If this were a war for our survival, things would be different, but all it has done is lay upon the altar of war, the sons and daughters of fine Americans from all political stripes.

If there is a bright side to any of this, it is that the neo-con GOP will be going straight into hell along w/bush and cheney. The disaster they have brought upon this nation shall be a lesson on how not to run a country. If there is a hell...I believe that satan has his minions are stoking the fires for the arrival of this cabal. And while I do not wish ill upon almost anyone, this group of miserable bastards really does deserve to roast in hell. If there is justice, they will realize the errors they have made just before they leave this earth...but they will never be able to atone for what they have done, not just to the U.S., but to the rest of the world as well.

[Lithos]

1. I will drink to the demise of the Neo-cons

:toast:

May their uncompassionate conservatism serve them well in hell, lord knows they have caused enough of it here on earth.

L-

[calimary]

14. Me too!!! I will celebrate all the live-long-day. What's bad for them is good for the rest of us.

Long may they burn.

And even longer may they remain OUT OF POWER!!!!!!

Frankly, I think that should be Mission ONE for all of us - taking a page from their playbook and demonizing their name, their brand, and the very concept behind their existence, in the same way they once demonized the word/concept/brand liberal. Time to turn the tables and return the "favor." Long PAST time.

[rasputin1952]

16. I love being a Liberal/Progressive...by the very definitions, I am

ready to move forward...conservatives on the other hand are more than willing to stand around and wax nostalgic for the past...neo-cons are the real horror, they are dragging the nation back to a time when inequality is the norm, and the "Landed Gentry" have all of the power and privilege this nation offers. Several years ago, one R Congressman actually brought discussion to the floor of the House saying that the Constitution should be the vehicle to return the vote to original intent...white male land owners. He should have been tarred and feathered for even having the thought, much less bringing it onto he House floor...even if it was in jest.

[calimary]

18. In jest? Excuse me? Declaring on the House floor that the Constitution should b

the vehicle to return the vote to the original intent - white male landowners??????? So what did he have in mind, declarations that we women and blacks should kindly revert to 3/5ths of the value of a white male??????

Who the hell was this schmuck?

I must say, regretfully, I've heard smatterings of hate radio shows wherein there actually are people who call in (men, from what I heard while I was listening) who said this country started going downhill when women won the right to vote.

:grr: :mad:

[rasputin1952]

29. It was several years ago, and the guy was from GA or MS, somewhere

down South. I do recall he was loudly denounced, and his chances for re-election were permanently damaged...but to be sure, women, blacks etc would have been denied the vote and a lot of other Rights and Privileges. It was insane, and he was rightly hounded.

I'll try and fine the name, it was 5-6 years ago.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Well Said

Thank You

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. The neo-cons played the Caesar/Czar/Marie Antoinette card -

the peasants will accept a certain level of oppression, and will sacrifice to a certain extent, but once you (as a leader) go beyond that (as did Caesars, Czars, and Marie Antoinette &tc), the peasants will rebel and rise up.

The neo-cons have gone far beyond the line of tolerance.

And it's gonna seriously cost them.

[Rex]

4. More over, the GOP is a group looking at falling apart. Kinda like the Dixiecrats.

The criminal charges against so many, in the future will be astronomical. The entire party is falling apart and what a shame...what a shame. :sarcasm:

Reagan would be pleased to know that the GOP did everything Osama Bin Laden wanted them to do to American. :sarcasm:

Actually, even Reagan's dumbass would be wondering why we invaded Iraq. Series.

However, I do believe Nixon would be drooling over the NSA/AT&T symbiosis.

Scary, gestapo shit ahappening in our times.

At least the GOP will be destroyed, or diminished back into the holes the crawled out of.

[NanceGreggs]

5. Excellent work!

Well said!

:kick: and REC'D!!!!!!!!

[DJ13]

6. Excellent post, but we must not forget that Hillary is a closet neocon

Ever notice that the MSM didnt start singing her praises until after the obvious neocon choice (Rudy) quit the race?

Thats no coincidence.

The neocons know McCain isnt really one of them (thats why he isnt getting the usually high GOP donations) , but without Rudy in the race they've had to fall back to Hillary as the next best thing.

In every metric that matters she is as close to their ideals as a Democrat can be.

Votes for war, votes against bans on land mines, votes against a resolution to limit Bush's authority after the IWR, votes for an amendment that suggested authorizing Bush to attack Iran.

Hell, she's even talking like one now, what with her over the top pro-Israel "umbrella" comments.

[rasputin1952]

7. This isn't about HRC or Obama...it is more about McCain and

the demise of the GOP...something we should all be working toward w/great vigor.

[Cobalt-60]

24. We won't score a complete Kill in 08

We had better take the White House.
Or it's President for Life McBush.
Much of the house will be taken.
A Senate majority is a certainty.
But the poison will still be in.
And they'll be obstructing every step of the way.
The current speaker needs to be replaced with a non collaborator
The next speaker needs to swing an Iron Gavel.
Self respect demands payback.
We also need a Senate Majority leader who is not a fascist collaborator.
The remaining fascists will cause as much trouble as possible.
The Bureaucracy needs to be purged of Fascists.
Anyone hired since 2000 should be considered a fifth columnist.
Our regulatory agencies can't be trusted until the bushites are gone.
The Justice department is less than useless with them in it.
But yes, we can lame the Neo Nazi Con (vict) movement.
I'll drink to that!

[formercia]

8. I hope there's a special place in Hell for the traitorous Neocon

bastards, but just in case, I have some ideas for one here.

When they ask for volunteers to stick needles, I'll be there.

[pscot]

9. From your lips to god's ears

You speak for me also, brother.

[jwirr]

10. Very good post. I worked in Sawyer County, NE McGovern head

quarters in 72 and I hear what you are saying loud and clear. May they all suffer the consequences of their actions.

[rasputin1952]

17. McGovern would have made a very good president...

He was a pretty humble guy too...most people didn't know he fleww a bomber over Europe during WWII...but later, some actually believed that RR flew one over Berlin. The reality is, while a Capt in the US Army Signal Corps...Reagan made VD training fims and a couple of B-C grade soundset war movies. He never left Hollywood.

McGovern had it hands down over Nixon on policy, but it was not to be...:(

[kentuck]

11. Well said.

A+ :-)

[mpendragon]

12. I always figured that it would take . . .

some of the bill coming due on the war to shake their interest in the neo-con agenda. In 1944-45 the top marginal income tax rate was 94% on earnings of $2.3 million (in 2007 dollars). I don't know how long they could pile record annual debts on top of the current national debt to fund this thing for quite this long. The huge increase in debt, and the complete disinterest the GOP has towards paying it down, had consequences like the collapse in the value in the dollar and the high likelihood that oil trading will move to Euros but that doesn't hurt voters like raising tax rates to cover war costs. That's the sort of thing they can try to ignore for a few years but the bill will still come due.

They'd ruin thousands more lives to save face with the war but they don't want to pay for it any more than I do.

[rasputin1952]

15. I am not one of those who dances with joy at the thought of

paying more into the government, but I do believe in paying one's "fair share". The "tax and spend" D's have been replaced by "borrow and spend" R's; the inasinity being, these are the ones who always campaign on "fiscal responsibility". It would be laughable if the consequences weren't so tragic.

[Bravo Zulu]

13. Amen, Brother!

I did my best too warn people of what would happen if bu$h became pResident, to no avail!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. I hope it's not too late

Whether it's Clinton or Obama, I feel bad for the President who has to try to lead us out of the swamp. Unfortunately, I think so much damage has been done that it will take many years to turn things around, if it can be done at all.

[rasputin1952]

27. All it akes is strength of chartacter...something these two need

to work on.

But it can be done...:)

[Norrin Radd]

20. Hopefully, kids who came of age these past 8 years will not forget,

and help close the book on the repub party.

[orleans]

21. and for those of us who do not believe in hell? there is less

joy for us to look forward to. less revenge. less restitution.

these neo-con gop fuckers literally got away with murder.

[KharmaTrain]

22. The GOOP Is Imploding On The Local Level

You're seeing what we experienced here in Illinois starting about a decade ago. The corruption of the GOOP party and games of playing one side against the other caused the state party to start imploding and has relegated them to near irrelevancy in this state. They've been shut out of every major statewide office and the party continues to implode as many have joined up as Paulbots or Libertarians and opted out of the party altogether.

I've seen a two-tier game going on here since the '04 elections. People are tired of the lies and games of the repugnicans. They're seeing how its destroyed the economy and offers no solutions. They've seen the abuses of power and the hypocrisy and see how it's favored bailing out big corporations while most of us can barely pay an insurance premium. They've also seen how bitter politics have become over the past decade and want some sanity.

What you're hearing is what many are hearing in all parts of the country...all except the beltway elite corporate media. Voters are seeing this election as a way to repudiate the "status quo" and many repugnican congresscritters have gotten that message and headed for the exits. I see many GOOPers in danger this year and few Democrats...and the increased turnout for Democrats in the primaries (a reason I think having all states participate has been a good thing) will mean many of these people...even though they may not like whose at the top of the card this year...will help elect Democrats down-ticket.

You've got a great candidate in Scott Kleeb...here's hoping he can break through this year.

[salin]

23. Tone is shifting here in Indiana, as well....

it already was the case before the primaries stretched all the way to May (never thought that would happen...) - but it is especially true now that the presidential campaigns have come to town so often. The result has been organizing in the state on the anti-GOP side that is capitalizing on the now couple year old discontent (remember THREE gop Congress seats turned dem from repub from Indiana in 2006).

btw, Good Morning! :hi:

[KharmaTrain]

25. I Still Have Hope For My Hoosier Bretheren...

Despite the South Bend assclown who appeared at the Nazi rally, I do see some nice changes going on. I know Daniels has all but messed up that party like George Ryan did here. My ultimate schadenfraude is to see Mike Pence and Disco Danny Burton shown the exits.

Great to see you!

:hi:

[salin]

30. Disco Dan is getting a big run in his primary

and the media is openly anti burton.

[ThomWV]

26. You are dead wrong on that Fuel issue, I don't know about the others.

That "Farm Fuel" you are refering to is red died untaxed diesel fuel, it is untaxed in the sense that Federal Highway Tax is not paid on it because it is not intended for use in vehicles that are used on public highways. So its used in farm vehicles like tractors, and its used in dozers, boats, things like that which never see the highway. If you put it in a truck and you are caught doing it - and they do run roadside checks where they test the fuel in every diesel vehicle that passes by a point on a road (I've been checked twice in the 5 years I've been driving a diesel pickup). If you have so much as a trace of the red die in your fuel (and its earlier use is detectable even after several fillups with legal fuel) you will be fined and possibly have the vehicle you used it in confiscated. The roadside checks are Federal, not state enforcement activities.

[rasputin1952]

28. I'm in Nebraska...I have yet to even hear of a roadside fuel check,

although I'm sure it happens...but I DO hear about farmers laughing about using their fuel for personal excursions...in fact, at the college I am attending, I not only hear about it, I see it every day. The reason i brought it up, is because these are the same people who are always complaining about how "others" scam the system, but they see themselves as noble patriotic Americans, just so long as no one else can "get away" w/looting the Treasury.

Here's another example that I personally saw the other day...a very wealthy farmer complaining about Social Security...when pressed by me, he admitted his wife had worked outside the home, and since he is 72, and his wife 71, they collect a monthly check...wheile he derides the SS system...he has yet to return a check/payment to the government. The hypocrisy was such, you could have cut it with a knife, even his fellow farmers in the cafe felt he had been bested because he was so adamantly against SS, yet had no problem taking in some $1600 a month for something his wife had doe years before...work for an employer that took out FICA. I have no problem w/this guy collecting...it is the fact he was willing to denounce a payment for anyone else. And FWIW...his payment far outweighed over the years, what his wife had put in...he passed the threshold of "breaking even" SS payments/payout, several years ago...he got a damn good return on what his wife put into SS.