It's Monday, April 28, 2008. Are the war criminals still in office?

[Solly Mack]

I already know the answer to that, of course.

Still...

America has a war criminal for a President.(and a V.P. - and assorted other cabinet officials - as well as a Justice Department that thinks its job is to defend war crimes and war criminals)


It's something that needs to be stated because it obviously isn't an obvious.

Judging from the lack of accountability, the only thing truly obvious is that war crimes are A-OK with America and a war criminal executive is little more than something that must be endured.


Edit to add. This isn't G-D-P. And I'm not getting into any of the - my dog is better than your dog, love me love my dog bullshit.

[guyanakoolaid]

1. Laws and rules are "off the table" according to our current Democrats.

Come on, get with the program. It's all cool. The Constitution and all the LAWS are SO old-fashioned.

I want impeachment at least brought to a vote. I want to see who votes against it.

[Solly Mack]

3. I know. I know I'm being outrageous and unfair. I know I'm expecting too much

It's not as if they are using steroids - they are just torturing people I don't even know.

I'm a silly American that's completely confused about what's important.

[Echo In Light]

7. Accountability is just so, well, unseemly, unbecoming.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming:

[Solly Mack]

8. Just think of how ugly it would be - I mean, the whole world would then know America tortures!

Think of our image! We're the liberty people! That beacon of light and hope! To expose that America tortures people by holding the guilty accountable? Unthinkable!


On a less sarcastic note...


It always - always - hangs over my head but this AM I opened my eyes and it hit me like a ton of bricks, as it so often does....America is torturing people and people in government are couching it in the language of lies and obfuscation by using words and phrasing like "we don't torture", "torture isn't American policy", "enhanced interrogations", and my favorite.."IF America is using torture"



America does torture. It obviously is American policy... since it is happening, it is systemic, complete with memos to back that up, and there's no accountability.... and people are pretending torture isn't torture. How many in Congress have the courage to say "America is torturing people"?

Flat out say it. No hem-hawing. Nothing couched. No ambiguity. Just say it. Leave off the "ifs" and leave off how it will be at another time....and deal with what is happening now.

But that's just me and I'm just a silly American.

[Echo In Light]

9. Torture, and a very long list of other atrocities carried out globally for many decades

What's happening is that the fairy tale, propagandized version of America, and the grim reality of it, are finally conflicting for greater numbers of people. It's a gradual process of unlearning, deprogramming, and underscores many views right here at DU concerning shades of leftists versus moderate dems whose views are very close to the rights, especially re elements of the National Security State ruse, "defense," supporting the military, etc

[Solly Mack]

11. I feel confident that the fairy-tale image is safe and secure

If there's no accountability - and I'm confident there won't be - then for many it will be a case of

1. It didn't happen
or
2. People were just lying about Bush Inc.
or
3. Even if it did happen, they were "bad people"
or
4. America did what America had to do - and anyone that thinks otherwise hates America.

Now, even with accountability, the above bullshit will also be an integral part of the talking points to explain why Bush Inc shouldn't have been held accountable. But I can live with people pouting over Bush Inc. going to prison.

[Echo In Light]

13. Oh, I know. Your list of typical responses/reactions is spot on

[indepat]

14. This should not be confusing: the prevailing mindset since about 1950 is that America

is the policeman of the free world and thereby has the moral authority to kill/maim any number of people on their own soil, destroying the infrastructure in the process, all on the premise that the spread of the godless commie hoards must be stopped at any cost/any price. A corollary is the US has the moral authority/responsibility to topple any government that leans even a tad to the left, no matter how devastating the impact might be on the people. We now have an extreme RW cabal which has seized control of all the levers of power and is intent on fully implementing it PNAC agenda of empire, oil, hegemony by any/all means necessary to get the job done. Since the American people have been conditioned for more than a half of a century that their nation will forevermore be in a likely state of conflict, the foray into Iraq to seize its oil reserves for the almost complete benefit of big oil, the carnage, destruction and torture that follow, just seem like more of the same to many, but of course it's not. :D

[chknltl]

2. Perhaps some day We The People will be held accountable.

It is my HOPE that before that day comes to pass, We The People will have been able to turn out to vote in numbers that not even election fraud will be able to turn over. On that day, Senator Obama will become President Obama. As a step in the right direction he has promised to set his AG into researching just what crimes were committed and by who during the bush administration years. Will he fulfill that promise? We can only HOPE, but at least he made the promise, unlike the other two Senators running for POTUS.

[zabet]

4. Yes they are.

We have a Constitutional lawyer that is a junior senator that did not speak up when Bushco was shredding the Constitution.....seemingly did not use his legal expertise on the Constitution to protect it. Do you know what this Constitutional Lawyer's position on impeachment is?

[MrSlayer]

5. Yes but they wear flag pins.

So really, what are you trying to say?

[Solly Mack]

6. Excellent point. What was I thinking!?!?!

I've really got to deal with what's important.

[datasuspect]

10. the more important question is,

WHY are they still in office?

[Solly Mack]

12. Yes, it is

Thank you!

[bdamomma]

15. they should have been gone along time ago.