Awwww... spoiled rich fucks miffed at other spoiled rich fucks....

[Ghost in the Machine]

Helicopter noise draws complaints in tony NY summer hotspot
Published: 4/30/08, 12:25 PM EDT
By FRANK ELTMAN

EAST HAMPTON, N.Y. (AP) - When Brad and Angelina visited the Hamptons last summer to rub elbows with Christie Brinkley, Ellen Barkin and Jimmy Buffett, they arrived by helicopter.

When busy Wall Street power brokers wrap up merger deals on a Friday night, many dart to a Manhattan heliport for the quick trip to Long Island's tony eastern tip, slicing travel time to a fraction of what it would take to get there by limousine on the traffic-snarled Long Island Expressway.

Because of the speed and convenience they offer, a growing number of those who can afford to are taking helicopters to Long Island's summer playground for the rich and famous. But the trend has its detractors, who complain the racket the choppers make as they slice through the air is affecting the quality of life in the area.

Some liken Friday afternoons in the Hamptons to the helicopter attack scene in "Apocalypse Now," with a swarm of Sikorskys and Bells arriving from the city. Outbound traffic builds on Sunday afternoons into Monday mornings.

Money seems to be no obstacle for those taking to the skies, with one-way rates ranging from about $700 a person to several thousand dollars for charter flights. Time for these folks is more important than money, especially when an automobile trip from Manhattan to East Hampton sometimes can take four hours in heavy traffic. A helicopter flight takes about 45 minutes.

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[LisaM]

1. What about pollution?

Even if it's only 45 minutes compared to 4 hours, I have to think that the helicopters spew more emissions than a car.

[cosmik debris]

2. I would doubt that,

but I have no information on the subject, do you?

[N4457S]

4. Those Small Turbines...

...are pretty clean these days. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

Southern California is getting the same way with general aviation. I was shooting touch and goes one Sunday afternoon with my instructor and you'd have thought that old air force base at San Bernardino was O'Hare International. Shit, the pattern at Long Beach was actually quieter!

[Aviation Pro]

6. That's because many flight schools are now teaching...

...foreign nationals such as the Chinese and Indians.

[Tesha]

8. Nonsense!

For a Bell Long Ranger, you should figure on a minimum of
250 pounds per hour of fuel consumption. That's about 42
gallons per hour so that 45 minute trip to the Hamptons
burned at least 31 gallons of Jet A to move, what, 5 or
6 passengers? It's a pretty good bet that that trip was
*JUST ABOUT THE LEAST EFFICIENT* way to move the wealthy
just about a hundred miles out to their week-end get-away.
That is: 3 MPG.

Tesha






Reference:

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2000/AAIR/aair200003130.aspx

Section B2 of the company Operations Manual, para. 904, "Fuel Management" stated that "Fuel consumption planning is to be based on a minimum of 250 pounds per hour {lb/h} {Long Ranger} and 180 pounds per hour {lb/h} {Jet Ranger} regardless of weight, altitude and temperature. This figure may be adjusted in flight after completion of a fuel flow check to confirm actual consumption." For planning purposes, the operator used a fuel consumption of 250 lb/h when flying for range below 5,000 ft with the "Nightsun" fitted, and 230 lb/h when flying for endurance.

http://www.aircharterserviceplc.com/aircraft/bell_longranger.htm

[N4457S]

9. So...

...are you going to tax the rich asshole out of the money he would give to the charter operator?

Nonsense yourself. The rich guy HAS money. He'll just spend it in other ways.

And don't think for a minute you'd get anything different from either Obama or Hillary.

This isn't Europe. It isn't a socialist country and it isn't going to be. It was never supposed to be.

[wtmusic]

11. It was never supposed to be...according to you?

Good one. :thumbsup:

In Europe they have public schools, medical aid for the elderly, social security, welfare, fire departments, police departments, environmental protections, price controls, etc etc etc.

Just like here.

Difference is, their socialism actually works. Must be American ingenuity...

[N4457S]

18. If You Want...

...to live in Europe and put up with their purely egalitarian model and confiscatory taxation, you're free to move there. No one's stopping you.

This is not Europe. It's never going to be, at least in our lifetime. Sarbanes-Oxley did a lot to push us in that direction and now Congress is talking about scaling it back because it's hurting business.

We can argue about this but at the end of the day, I win the argument. I know that and I'm not afraid to say so.

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[Diclotican]

28. N4457S

N4457S

Have You ever been to Europe?.. Have you EVER seen what all that taxes are going to?.. Have you EVER been in any European home?

No I really doubt you ever have seen Europe, if it was not an a map... I doubt you ever have been to ANY european country.. North or sout, east og west..

As an european I have to say, your arrogance when it come to how Europe are made up is striking.. Yes we in Europe have lot More taxes than you in the "land of the free, the land of the brave":. But we do have a social security net, that american would kill to have. If they was to know it exist then.. But when You have been tutored to believe that the American Way is the only way, even if it kills some millions on the way. Then it maybe a little more difficult to understand that Europe have had an another way in their history.. In fact if it was not for the "right" in Europe, it would be a much more different world in Europe. It was the FEAR of what the laborers could do, from the riots of 1848, who slowly made the system we have today possible.. Germany, not a socialist country was one of the first nations to give workers medical help.. And social security if the need arise... And elderly people was even given a pension, when they come to a given age...

In the aftermath of WW2 many of the West-European country was building up a social welfare system who we still have today. And it works.. Yest it have some difficulty, and some believe it should be scraped all together.. Look to America they say.. I would rather pay my taxes, and have the medical need I can get. If and when the need arise.. For some year ago I was hospitalized because of a bad stomach. Dont pay a single øre because it was free.. And I have to say, the medical attention I was given was not inexpensive, rather expensive.. But I was Ok, and was out of the hospital 6 days after

How Expensive would 6 days in an american Hospital bee?.. 10.000 DOLLAR?.. Specially when the medicine I was given was on the expensive side of the bill...

No, I would say, the "bad" system of Europe, works, and it works well. Even if it means I have to pay little more taxes to the government than You are doing.... On the other hand we dont have 42 million pepole withouth helth innsurance..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[N4457S]

32. First Of All, I'm Not Here...

...to make fun of your English. That would be rude.

Second, most Americans don't want to deal with the European-style taxation because that's not how America works. Yes, I know European public education is better. Yes, I know your food is better. Yes, your water is cleaner for the most part (so they tell me).

I know full well what near-socialism looks like. Why? I live in Northern California! They don't call this place America's France for nothing...but then again most people here are highly educated and make very good money and don't mind paying extra for organic food and environmentally sustainable this-and-that and higher taxes and fees for top flight infrastructure.

We in the Bay Area have a comparatively luxurious, bordering on frivolous lifestyle. We're unusually fortunate and even spoiled here. That's the truth.

What YOU don't understand is that most Americans don't live in the Bay Area, or in Massachusetts or SE Pennsylvania or Connecticut or the Maryland suburbs of Washington DC. Most people don't make the money to fund most of the things discussed above and don't even want to HEAR about having to pay for something which we arrogant educated assholes are telling them THEY need.

This is the deal, and this is why progressives aren't electable in most of the United States.

This is not Europe. Geez, how many times do you have to hear it?

[Diclotican]

40. N4457S

N4457S

And that is the reason I am warning everyone, that my english language is not perfect, not at all and I am the first one to admit that my english is bad.. But I have improved my english then;-)

Second, most Americans don't want to deal with the European-style taxation because that's not how America works. Yes, I know European public education is better. Yes, I know your food is better. Yes, your water is cleaner for the most part (so they tell me).

Or, is that what you are been told from young age?.. To me, who are living in europe, it looks like you have been indoctrinated to believe that your system are perfect, and that is our system, where you have to pay a lot more taxes, and possible also have to pay other type of taxes that is wrong.. I know a elderly gentleman, ex patriot from Norway in fact. Him and I have had some interesting debates over many things the last 5-8 year or so. And he is telling me that our system is dead in the water, but that we don't know it yet. And that US thing of doing things is perfect... But if it is perfect, why so many american are living outside of healtcare?.. If everything is Perfect, why so many have to be very happy, if their company provide some health benefit for their workers... Why have not american workers the same right to unionize, and to fight together for a goal?.. Better treatment, better salary and so on.. That is the REASON that in Europe we do have our paid holidays, and other benefits.. It was never easy to work it out, and to this day we do have some "issues" that we have to work out, some time down the road...

I doubt that California, or any part of US are some socialism, in the european word then.. Maybe in US, where the whole concept of some state interference is to be shunned at all cost. Even it means millions just living by the tread. In a country where you have some of the richest people on the planet.. I would say that is a irony in itself...

US have a lot of educated people, and many bright minds from Europe and in fact the whole world, is emigrated to US, because they are feeling that in US they can do what they would do. No restriction, no "old habits" just pure know how... And for the last 150 year, many european, poor but bright european have emigrated to US, and prospered well in US. I don't believe US are dumber than we in Europe. But I believe the higher level of Education maybe is little more difficult to get, if you are living as a poor in US compared to many european country's. As a foreigner, it looks more that it is them who have the money, or have some good luck, who have the opportunity to get a decent education. The rest have just to get by as best they can.. And I would say that is WRONG. I believe that EVERY MEN and Woman should have the right to get a higher education if they want that. Regardless of their status in life...
And as a outsider, it looks like your school are little, how should I say it politely, overcrowded, and with a lot of teachers who are doing their best, but with funds missing it is near impossible to get the children to understand what is important.. And as I understand it, the level of education in school is very up to each county... That means in my view (again) that you can get a decent education at one school. And a bad education in another school. Even if they are inside the same State.. I may get that wrong then... (I hope so)

I understand, and know that for the most part american are not living in the big Cities and in some states. But what I can't understand is that they are choosing a road where they are given a Chance to excel.. United States of America could be one of the best educated, with some of the brightest people in the world. US could be the Bright star in education, in every level the rest of the world would emulate, and do their best to give into.. Instead of that, your country are looking more and more like a lot of low-educated people who are more interesting of who of the president candidate you can get a beer with, then that they can rule a country, and shape the future for that country.. The last 8 year have been confusing for me on many level. I was growing up in the believing that US was a force of good.. That the americans was educated enough to vote in the best candidate for President.. And then George Walker Bush jr was "elected" In 2000.. And if that was not enough, all the goofing around the horrible act of terrorism happened in 2001. And then the misuse of that horrible act from this Administration almost broke down the trans-atlantic alliance. It is a trainwreack that even today have some trembling in the NATO alliance... And I fear it would cost a lot of work, to get to the point that the NATO alliance again is as strong as it was in 2001, when the whole Alliance was standing togheter... As one..

I doubt that the american Public are in need to be told by "educated assholes" as we are, what they want or what they need. But a decent School education from a young age have NEVER hurt a man ever. A decent education with good teachers, who are willing to go the extra mile for their pupils are something the whole country would benefit from. Maybe even the whole world.. How many potential Einsteins are there in the american school system today?... Who may not be the next Einstein because of that the Government of United States. And all the States therefore, don't want to use the right sum of money to get them going in the first place..

I really doubt, if given a choice that the american public would just say that every progressive was dead in the water.. Yes we do like people who are as ourself. Yes we do want the "right man" be the next president. Or in many european cases the Prime Minister. For the most part in Europe, the President have just symbolical powers. As head of states.. Some of us have even a King or Queen as head of state... But they have no real power, just the power that our Parliament want them to have!..

No I know that US are not Europe.. Sometimes I believe I understand US.. But lately I doubt I ever would manage to understand what US is all about... Sometimes you act as us.. ANd then you act worse than the Klingon's of Star Trek.. But even there you find Klingon's who have a reason to do as they do... Not in the case in US...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

ps, happy 1 of may;)

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. "arrogant educated assholes" That's clear enough.

:eyes:

[blondeatlast]

56. (Ahem) "You are free to move. No one is stoppimg you."

You are too damn easy, friend. :rofl:

[LanternWaste]

59. I'm poor. I'd be willing to pay additional taxes

I'm poor. I'd be willing to pay additional taxes for what you and the rest of the A.M. radio airwaves so cleverly call "European Socialism".

So would most of my friends, family and co-workers. So I imagine that your "most Americans don't want to deal with" talking point is more just a guess on your part than it is anything else.

By the way-- what's up on Limbaugh's show today? Anything good?

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[blondeatlast]

55. If you are certain to win, then go ahead an make your case. No one is stopping you...

:evilgrin:

[BuelahWitch]

57. I'm ready honey

Looking for a Norwegian husband. Know anybody? :shrug:

[N4457S]

60. Ah...

...yumpin' yimmany.

A Saab, a fifth of Aquavit and thou.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Or American Greed.

[Tesha]

13. It is ethically unsound to commute at 3 MPG.

Not that the concept of "ethics" ever touches some
of the rich folks for whom this country is presently
run.

Tesha

[N4457S]

21. You Know...

...you're right.

A friend of my father owns a printing company in Ohio and commutes in his Cessna Citation (flies it himself) from Wadsworth Muni to his boat at Port Clinton on the weekends. He's turning downwind into Port Clinton in about twenty minutes instead of driving three hours. I think it's an incredibly wasteful exercise but (once again) that decision ultimately isn't up to me or you or anyone else other than the asshole who owns the aircraft. Even if I had that kind of money, I'd go with something a little more economical (single engine turboprop, or maybe stick with a single engine piston aircraft) but that's just me.

It's funny we should be talking about this. This guy owned a Bonanza once, years ago.

[Hannah Bell]

16. cute way to sleaze out of admitting you were wrong on the fuel question.

[LanternWaste]

58. It sure as hell wasn't supposed to be like it is now either.

"It was never supposed to be."

It sure as hell wasn't supposed to be like it is now either. So maybe it actually is time to look at some alternatives, 'cause whatever the hell we've got right now is broken beyond repair.


And while you're on the topic of what the original intent was, have there ever been any long-lasting, dynamic, strong countries that *didn't* change-- both politically and economically over a period of time to the point where it was so completely different from its origins that their founders wouldn't recognize them?

"It sure as hell wasn't supposed to be like it is now either."

The hand-me-down opinions of arm-chair historians who get most of their information from A.M. radio airwaves are cheaper than a cup of free coffee.

[Tesha]

12. (Replied to wrong posting)

[coriolis]

17. Is 57S one of your rides?

;-)

[N4457S]

19. It's An...

...airplane that our family once owned years ago. It's now owned by a guy in New Jersey.

I remember sitting in the back of it and listening to the engine fire up. They don't make V-tailed doctor killers anymore.

[coriolis]

30. Yeah, I looked it up. There actually are still quite a few of them flying, though!

One right here at my own airport...and owned by: yep, a doctor! :D

[N4457S]

31. Sure...

...and they're called fork tailed doctor killers because the doctors can afford them but don't have the time to stay current.

So, they get ants in their pants to go somewhere on a weekend or after hours and they ignore the marginal weather and maybe they're going into an unfamiliar field...and they end up killing themselves. It used to happen a lot but I don't hear so many Bonanza horror stories anymore.

But don't kid yourself. Those airplanes require a level of competency that a lot of part time pilots simply do not have. If you don't have an instrument rating, you should not own one. Period.

If you're a low or medium time guy, buy a Cessna. You may not get there as quickly but you'll save money and you'll live longer.

[coriolis]

34. My own doctor is an exception (he's also my student)

He has a B58 Baron and stays current and competent. The guy with the Bo-nanza is different, I don't think he's
instrument rated...but he's had that plane for 30 years so he must be reasonably competent. Never flew with him.

[N4457S]

37. Bonanzas...

...are great and I'd love to own one if I made it big, but I probably never will. A lowly 172 or 182 is as far as I'm likely to go.

Hey, while I'm at it - where do you live? I'm in need of both a good instructor and an AME that isn't an asshole. We just moved to the Bay Area and I'm looking to finish my Private.

Can you leave me a private email here?

Thanks.

[coriolis]

43. I'm 1500 miles away...sorry!

:D

I got lucky, went in with 2 friends on a 310Q, we each put in 30K to buy it...one of the partners is an A&P so annuals are free, another one is a contractor so we got a hangar at cost and I'm a radio tech & CFI so we got those items covered. :-)

[N4457S]

44. Oh Well...

...I tried.

Don't be a stranger.

[Xenotime]

15. Exactly. These uppity fucks have huge carbon footprints.

[wtmusic]

29. "Wasteful is Tasteful" -- just buy offsets, and you're green again! nt

[Ganja Ninja]

3. God forbid they should have to ride the train with the common folk.

There are some problems we can solve, there some problems we can't solve, and there are some problems I couldn't care less about.

[N4457S]

5. We Ride BART...

...every day and I don't mind it. It's fun to watch the corporate wannabes who get on at Orinda and Lafayette.

People watching is a sport in itself. I learned it from my mom.

[Dreamer Tatum]

7. Hold on a sec...

If you don't like helicopter noise, you're a 'spoiled rich fuck?' Ever been to Long Island, even the wealthy parts? Do you think
MILLIONAIRES are cutting grass, busing tables, delivering mail, fixing traffic lights, delivering pizzas, and driving garbage trucks? Aren't
the little people who make life possible out there entitled to peace and quiet?

Watch where you're pointing that attitude.

[earth mom]

10. ROFLMAO! That some luxe life they're all livin in the Hamptons!

Reminds me of when we lived in L.A. and they often had those choppers going when the cops were chasing someone. Another reason we left that hellhole!

[morgan2]

22. about 25% of the population of the hamptons

are now Hispanics. Mostly immigrants.

[earth mom]

42. I used to live in a resort area. I well know how selfish and self absorbed the well off can be.

And how they don't give a damn for the people that actually LIVE there.

[Burma Jones]

14. Piffle, we take our yacht

Actually, we've taken the LIRR out to Montauk where hundreds of Irish, in Montauk for the summer, will pick you up in green cabs and take you over to your wealthy friends' house..........The drive is indeed brutal.

[iwearshoesinky]

20. When I make it big I'm going to travel by dirigible.

Floating along with my library and cocktails I can launch biplanes to put an end to any racket.

[wtmusic]

27. Perfect!

You'll be late for everything, but with library and cocktails who cares? :thumbsup:

[trof]

35. Floating along...just floating along.

I'm witcha.
And welcome to DU.
:hi:

[Blue_Tires]

25. this is new?

i thought the filthy rich and famous were always taking commuter choppers to Long Island or Nantucket or Palm Beach or wherever...

well, the rich always have the option to move...that's what makes them the rich

[hatrack]

26. This calls for IMMEDIATE action! I'll put it on the Action List!!

Item # 1,298,877,599

[Dukkha]

33. I don't hear people in South Central LA complaining

They have helicopters buzzing their area 24/7. Maybe because they have a lot more serous things to complain about.

[tsdraegeth]

36. Our highway tax dollars at work

More and more, the elite split away from the sans culottes, until brought back down with pitchforks and torches.

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. What a problem to have.

:eyes: Life sucks. :silly:

[RedCappedBandit]

45. I'm sure you would enjoy helicopters flying by your house all the time,...

Not everybody on Long Island is a "spoiled rich fuck"

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. Didn't say they were. Are you a "spoiled rich fuck"? Awfully offensive aren't you?

:shrug:

[undergroundpanther]

51. Most rich fucks

Are spoiled. Just observe them.Watch how they treat waiters and store employees with such rude and condescending callousness.The rich don't tip. The rich are a bunch of spoiled fucks and they disgust me.

[RedCappedBandit]

54. Offensive? Me? Nah. :)

[undergroundpanther]

52. I have them flying over my house

From the proving grounds( the military is a strong-arm service for rich fucks to protect their booty BTW) and I get to hear the booms of shell tests too..and tasty rocket fuel water( I am poor, a nobody.So nobody is there to write an article on my behalf I don't exist because I ain't a rich fuck in a rich fucking neighborhood.).

[Canuckistanian]

46. I love the smell of helicopter fumes in the morning

It smells like..... privilege.

[Jed Dilligan]

47. I hate helicopters

[undergroundpanther]

50. I live

Kinda near aberdeen proving grounds. So helicopters fly over my house a few times a day and I get to hear the distant boom of shell tests.Once the damn helicopters woke me up by flying very low shining a fucking light in my bedroom window and all around the area it pissed me off but what could I do? I know if I whined up a river nobody would listen,or care because I am poor.A nobody.

Fuck the rich. Ask me if I care about rich people and their lives,I don't. I wish they were poor and forced to live with the results of their pampered lives as it is from the other end that enables the rich to be so rich..

:nopity:

[DiverDave]

53. Go drive a cab on Maui

yes you meet good folks, but those people that stay at Kapalua (this was the mid-80's), some are way cool.
Some are just perpetuating the spoiled rich stereotype.

It's disgusting to see, really.