"Tibet Was, Is, and Always Will Be A Part Of China"

[Better Believe It]

This video probably reflects the views of the overwhelming majority of Chinese-Americans.

It's clearly political propaganda (which doesn't necessarily mean it's all lies) which might help counter some of the crude and sometimes racist anti-China bashing of the western corporate media.

I happen to support the right of self-determination of Tibet and I didn't support the former Maoist "communist" regime in China nor the current China capitalist regime and its policies. However, I also do not support racist Chinese bashing nor violent attacks directed at ethnic Chinese in Tibet.

But, let's try to be a little more objective and stop justifying the violent acts of a few thousand Tibetans who have firebombed Chinese shops and have assaulted and even murdered innocent Chinese civilians in Tibet in the name of "freedom".

Let's try to understand how and why Chinese-Americans feel the way they do about their culture and original homeland.

To see the "Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China video" click here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo&feature=related

And here's some videos on the Tibet riots that you haven't and won't see on CNN, FoxNews and the other corporate media:

Australian captures Tibet riots on camera:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhjCX4KIz4Q&feature=related

Tibet Riot, you won't see this on CNN and BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLzKBvvGMg&feature=related

5 girls burned to death in Lhasa riot: This video appeared on Chinese TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWYuVmZi0Zc&feature=related

[sushi]

1. I agree!

I don't think China will ever give Tibet independence, not even self-determination.

[pingzing58]

2. Right, but what they are really fighting against is the Maoist Communist ideals where faith and

religion are illegal. This includes the Roman Catholic Church in China!

[sam sarrha]

3. i hear it is mostly th young tibetans that arent allowed to work or go th school, and..>LINK>>

http://dolphinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/dispatches-tonight-torture-and-mobile.html

http://www.tibettruth.com/birthcontrol.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brutal+forced+tibetan+abortions&btnG=Google+Search

and worse, every day af their lives.. and they know it wont ever change, it will only get worse

[pingzing58]

5. One child per household. And it better be a male child. Eskimos leave their female child to die.

[sam sarrha]

7. maybe .. 80 to 100 years ago.. .but they.. unlike the Chinese government have joined the human race.

one child per family was intended to prevent the worlds largest catastrophe.. when the population of china out grew its food production. but it has a government like the one we have now.. controlled by psychopaths with no over site.

the situation in Tibet is simply GENOCIDE. THEY HAVE TO SPEAK AND WRITE CHINESE TO GET WORK FILL OUT ANY GOVERNMENT IMPOSED FORM, TO APPLY FOR A CHILD PERMIT, THEN PASS A PHYSICAL, AND MAKE A SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF MONEY, THAT NO TIBETAN IS ALLOWED TO MAKE.. TO GET THE PERMIT.

TIBET WAS NEVER PART OF CHINA, THE EARLY CHINESE EMPERORS INVITED THE LAMAS INTO THEIR GOVERNMENT AS ADVISOR'S BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BE CORRUPTED.. THEY PROVIDED A SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE FROM CHINA..

TIBET IS THE SIZE OF WESTERN EUROPE, WITH LESS THAN 2% OF CHINA'S POPULATION.. CHINA INVADED ONLY WITH THE INTENSION OF RAPING THE LAND OF ITS RESOURCES AND MAKING THE TIBETAN PEOPLE AND THEIR CULTURE EXTINCT... PERIOD.

YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT ABOUT THE ESKIMOS ID DESPICABLE, THAT WAS DONE IN PERIODS OF FAMINE, SAME THING IN AFRICA NOW, IF YOU CANT FEED LL YOUR CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE WORST DECISION POSSIBLE, THE BOYS SURVIVE BETTER. CHINA ON THE OTHER HAND WAS INSTITUTIONAL IN THE MURDER OF BABY GIRLS.. MY FATHER WAS THERE FOR 4 YEARS, WW2, WHEN THERE WAS FOOD FOR ALL THEY MURDERED THEIR GIRL BABY. PATHETIC RESPONSE

[Dorian Gray]

23. Thank you....

It is genocide.

I can't believe that someone is so supportive of China's actions in Tibet. It's absolutely ridiculous, and absolutely untrue that Tibet never had it's own identity. It was not always China. It's a different culture, ethnic makeup, religion, and language. Those differences wouldn't have been so pronounced if it had "always been a part of China."

[stimbox]

14. I heard that they pulled babies out of incubators and bayonetted them too!

:sarcasm:

Tibetans and other ethnic minorities are allowed up to 2 children under China's one child policy.

[sam sarrha]

27. DID YOU READ THIS.. ..LINK>> they are often prohibited from having any children, the forms must be

filled out on perfect Chinese, the interviews must be in Chinese, they must pass a faked farce physical, and make so much money, more than they are allowed to make, and they are often prohibited from working, there are many more Chinese in Tibet now than Tibetans.. the Chinese call them "Barbarian Slaves". the propaganda in china is that the Tibetans eat their children then leave their bones laying around the filthy house.. GENOCIDE, i have friends from Tibet

http://dolphinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/dispatches-tonight-torture-and-mobile.html

http://www.tibettruth.com/birthcontrol.html

[stimbox]

28. That's some heavy duty heartstring pulling propaganda. n/t

[sam sarrha]

30. you are really pathetic troll

[stimbox]

32. I'm a troll because I don't fall in lockstep with the free tibet crowd?

Ok, whatever makes you happy.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

4. Thanks for the propaganda. n/t

[Truth2Tell]

6. OK, here's a few links.

Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence
By Gordon Thomas
G2 Bulletin Mar 27, 2008

LONDON—Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.

GCHQ analysts believe the decision was deliberately calculated by the Beijing leadership to provide an excuse to stamp out the simmering unrest in the region, which is already attracting unwelcome world attention in the run-up to the Olympic Games this summer.

-snip

The images they downloaded from the satellites provided confirmation the Chinese used agent provocateurs to start riots, which gave the PLA the excuse to move on Lhasa to kill and wound over the past week.

What the Beijing regime had not expected was how the riots would spread, not only across Tibet, but also to Sichuan, Quighai and Gansu provinces, turning a large area of western China into a battle zone.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html

Here's a video for you - "Tibet's Riot was STAGED- China media lies 4": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ET0NweFoc

Here's another video: http://english.ntdtv.com/?c=145&a=2492

Another in-depth examination: "Were the riots in Lhasa staged by Chinese soldiers? An investigation in two parts.": http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-story-behind-this-remarkable.html

And more:

Chinese Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Lhasa

Witness identifies policeman who played part of 'rioter'

By Qin Yue and Qi Yue - Mar 22, 2008

Evidence has emerged of the Chinese regime having staged violence in Lhasa in order to discredit the peaceful protests of Buddhist monks.

According to the Dalai Lama's Chinese translator, Ngawang Nyendra, a witness has reported that a Chinese policeman in Lhasa disguised himself as a Tibetan and joined the protesters holding a knife in his hand. This witness also recognized the man from BBC news footage and news photos provided by China.

A Chinese woman from Thailand (who prefers that her name not be used) was studying in Lhasa when the protests broke out in March. As one of her friends is a policeman, she visited him at the local police office quite often and got to know other policemen there.

After the protests on March 14, she and other foreigners were sent to the police office where she saw a man with a knife in his hand walking in with some arrested Tibetans. The man later took off the Tibetan-style clothes and put on a police uniform.

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?article=Chinese+Regime+Implicated+in+Staging+Violence+in+Lhasa&id=20039&c=1&t=1

Also, please provide some support for your statement that "a few thousand Tibetans... have firebombed Chinese shops and have assaulted and even murdered innocent Chinese civilians in Tibet." A few thousand is large number. Can you provide any evidence that so many Tibetans have firebombed shops or assaulted and/or murdered anyone? I doubt it.

[Better Believe It]

9. Do You Also Have Reliable CIA Links We Can Trust?

How about NED front and financed groups?

Bet their links are really reliable .... about as much as FoxNews and CNN!

[Truth2Tell]

17. It's like John Lennon said...

"If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

No kidding.

[Dorian Gray]

24. You didn't answer the question...

Do you have links to back up your claims that thousands of Tibetans have Firebombed Chinese stores and murdered innocent Chinese civilians in Tibet?

[iamthebandfanman]

8. get this propaganda off DU - all you post are Pro-CHINA threads

this is a complete sham and a disgrace!


tell the facsist chinese government you protect that the suffering of their people have not been ignored by the workers movement!

[Better Believe It]

10. Fascist government???!!!

So is the Chinese "red menace" trying to take over the world like the German fascist regime under Hitler?

I can tell you know a great deal about China and history.

Please share your golden nuggets of wisdom with us.

Do ya think Bush ought to invade China in the name of freedom and democracy?

[iamthebandfanman]

19. me and you

have already been round and round about this. but you forget. why ? because you arent here to discuss things. you arent here to make any points.

you are here to spit the same bullshit about the fascist chinese government that lets its POOR MILLIONS of farmers starve and go without while hording TONS of profit for the use of the elite few and powerful(and people who happen to live in large cities).

you arent going to fool anybody besides people who are already like you.

i know damn well the chinese government pays people to go on the internet and fight anti-chinese sentiment. theres already been articles about it.


WORKERS UNITE!

[Dorian Gray]

25. No....

but most of us can't listen to BS Chinese Propaganda without calling BULL SHIT.

(I lived in Hong Kong and traveled extensively in China. I love China and the Chinese people. But, the government is restrictive and has an awful history with the minority groups in China.)

[malaise]

11. So would Americans support secession by one of their states?

Every rational person knows that the West has been encouraging secession in Tibet for decades so that they can find a way to divide and rule.
Who the fugg is the Dalai whatever other than one more religious zealot doing the West's bidding?

The US is in no position to even use the word morality when it comes to human rights anywhere.

[iamthebandfanman]

20. what the F

does the US government have to do with China being a horrible fascist nation that has oppressed its people for years?
just curious.
i could give a damn what the united states government has to say, its always been hypocritical...
but im not gonna let some dumbshit come on here trying to protect this bullshit.

i call out the BS when it comes to the united states and i call out the BS when it comes to china.


p.s. i can gaurantee the US government even in the state its in wouldnt shoot people in a state if there was a state that wanted to leave the union. if they did it would only cause other states/people to revolt.
for some reason the american people tolerate fascism up to a point, but i think if the gun was turned on them theyd decide differently.

[Mika]

12. Theocracy Now!

:bounce:

[stimbox]

13. LOL

Free Tibet for feudalistic theocracy!

[Better Believe It]

15. Ahhhh Yes .... the good ole days of Feudalism under the Lama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FMNtTw24o&feature=related

[stimbox]

16. Nice interview with Parenti.

I can do without Penn & Teller though.
Fuckin' Libertarian clowns.

[iamthebandfanman]

21. and that gives them(chinese) the right

to continue to kill them?

i love your way of thinking.

does that mean i should kill a german everytime i see one? i mean, the nazis were horrible and did horrible things to people... so even tho that was a long time ago, i should shoot any i see now eh ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtykyCazmBw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0zbIQdDylg&feature=user

[The Straight Story]

18. I have been following this since 1981

And reading books about Tibet, the Dali Llama, etc since then.

From reading your posts I would say your view is much like that of the people in Europe in the middle ages - we know better than you, so let us take over your land and teach you the one 'true' way.

Tibet was not perfect by our standards, but saying they are better off under Chinese rule is irresponsible.

China wanted their land for one main reason - it's strategic position. Not to liberate anyone or for anything noble, they went in for their own selfish reasons. They did not 'need' Tibet except for military reasons.

We can spend all day long looking at why group A or B is 'bad' but to back someone like China and their takeover of a country that was not a threat to them at all is suspect at best.

All the reasons one can give for China doing what they did we can echo here in the US - and maybe we should just go in and take over China - for the 'good' of the people there.

[xchrom]

22. tibet is not china.

china flooded tibet with ethnic han chinese to as an added control to dominate and control tibet.

they keep indigenous tibetans out of school, work and even evict them from their homes in favor of ethnic han.

you know this -- you simply want to try and find excuses for china's continued brutilization of the tibetan people.

tibet for tibetans.

[mainegreen]

26. You're back!

Still towing that attacking the government = racist anti-chinese bullshit?

[Fox Mulder]

29. Why are you posting pro-China shit?

[tkmorris]

31. NO people should be ruled by anyone unless they wish it

The Tibetan people do not WANT to be part of China, therefore, they should not be. It really is that simple. I challenge you, OP, to give me a reason why they should be ruled by a government they do not want.

[bean fidhleir]

33. Isn't it amazing how few people seem to understand that simple principle

Self-determination. No government is legitimate that is not chosen by the governed.

I wonder why that's so hard for people.

[devilgrrl]

34. Marijuana leads to tobacco use...

it's true it's true!

:sarcasm: