Does anyone else wonder what happened to Kucinich introducing articles of Impeachment of Bush??

[Fireweed247]

Remember this??

In a brazen show of courage, Congressman Kucinich took to the House Floor yesterday and called Bush and Cheney the liars that they are.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWv-efvKoGA

"The President and Vice President lied and 4,000 of our soldiers died. The President and Vice President lied and a million innocent Iraqis died in a war that'll cost us two trillion dollars while people here in the states are losing their jobs, their health care, their homes, their dignity. Lies are weapons of mass destruction. Lies are also an impeachable offence. Monday, January 28th is the State of the Union. We already know the State of the Union, it's a lie."

Kucinich has vowed to Introduce Articles of Impeachment of Bush on the day of the State of the Union January 28.
http://peacecandidates.com/blog/nadia/01/24/kucinich_introduce_impeachment

....but then...

From David Swanson
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_080211_kucinich_3a__22the_incid.htm

"Kucinich had planned to introduce articles of impeachment against Bush on the day of the State of the Union and then changed his mind. He did so because of the attacks he is under in his primary election in Cleveland, where the corporate media that has long opposed him paints national issues as in conflict with providing services to constituents. The election will consume Kucinich's time for the next few weeks, but he has not dropped his plans to eventually introduce the articles of impeachment."


This is what he posted on his own Congressional site, after everyone was watching C-SPAN waiting for him to introduce Impeachment as he has promised several days earlier...

"After making a statement on the floor of the House of Representatives last week indicating my intent to introduce articles of impeachment against George W. Bush, I met with members of the Judiciary Committee. After that brief meeting, I am hopeful there will be an inquiry by the
Judiciary Committee. I will give them the opportunity to proceed before introducing articles of impeachment."

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=82672

Then he says in an interview
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=52380

"I stand on the side of the Constitution. I took an oath to defend the Constitution. And that oath really goes to the heart of what we're after. We're not after aggrandizement. We're not there for personal honor. We're there to represent the Constitution of the United States, the people of this country, and to protect the Constitution. That's the oath. We're not protecting the Constitution when we let this administration wage war without being able to stand on the side of truth. Because they're not standing on truth -- they're standing on lies. So I'm not going to let this go. Most voters understand that with an election in a couple of weeks, I've got some things I better take care of....

And I stand for the Constitution. I stand for a deeper sense of democracy. And I'm not going to set that aside just for a temporary idol of holding office."


Now it is months later....what gives? Am I the only one wondering??

[mac2]

1. They are distracting us with Obama and Wright, etc.

They hope we will forget about it. Why aren't we demanding it of Obama and Clinton? It was our mandate in 2006. Do either of them have to be President to push it forward?

States have demanded impeachment so it is the law that Congress follow up on it. That's what I understood anyway.

[ashling]

4. Impeachment has to begin in the House, not the Senate

and after one of them is elected, the point will be moot... there won't be enough time to kick him out the

[mac2]

5. But criminal charges should still go forward.

[ashling]

11. Oh, I am with you there,

but the post was about impeachment. I was just commenting on our candidates dealing with that issue.

[mac2]

7. Change of face law.

You do crime and erase it by leaving office with your bag of plunder.

[ashling]

12. All Impeachment would aim at is getting his ass out of office

It has nothing to do with criminal punishment ... that's a seperate issue

[hootinholler]

30. The point will lay with who is pardoned.

IF the cabinet members past and present are given blanket pardons, then the path to invalidate them is impeachment.

-Hoot

[BrokenSocialScene]

2. its too late really

GWB's damage has been done, theres just no point in focusing all the effort into impeaching him. and do partisan politics in the country really need to get more vicious?

[Trillo]

3. Yeah. It's too late! Don't rock the boat!

Don't worry about the coming Democratic President. Or ones following them. Let the President from 2000 on be a King in deed!

[RC]

6. So, just let them walk, huh?

Gee, I wish I could steal a nations treasury and invade a couple of countries and kill a million or so people so I could also steal their resources also. But then Republicans are above the law, correct?

[mac2]

8. That's been the story since Nixon.

That's why they are back in power like bad pennies that they are. They get away with it. They can't give up power ever.

[Fireweed247]

25. exactly!

I think Viggo Mortensen states it so well in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds0v2lgjkAE

One of the worst things I think that has happened in the last thirty years
is president Ford pardoning President Nixon
because those same people that were working for Nixon
that was a signal to them that yeah you can commit big crimes
and you can get away with it and they you can go right back to work some years later
and that's what happened.
It's not only a bad message to the rest of the world
It's a terrible message to those people who are ill inclined in our own country
because it will keep happening again and again.
There are people in this administration now
not the ole grizzled greedy hacks leftover from Nixon's time
but younger versions of them that are in there now.
It's like teaching a kid the wrong thing.
It is like saying "yeah it's alright
You can lie, you can steal, you can cheat, you can kill"
It's okay. If you do it really big, it's really okay and you can get rich doing it.
It's just a bad thing all the way around.
That's the thing I feel the strongest about
Impeach, remove, Jail

[Zhade]

47. Thank you. My throat got tired from yelling that over and over.

You are so right - cowards are letting criminals walk.

[Cleita]

9. Sure just let them get away with it all the way back

to Nixon, Kissinger, Ollie North, etc. etc. etc., so that they or their apprentices can come back time and time again to rob our treasury and shred our Constitution to bits. Sure, it seems like you can get away with murder these days after you cheat on the elections, start wars and ruin everyone who gets in the way. Yup, they should just ride into the sunset again. Sorry, I'm tired of this old movie running over and over again.

[mac2]

10. Are you from the "ya better get over it" crowd?

[ashling]

13. Impeachment only deals with occupancy of the office

Criminal Indictment is something else.

[lonestarnot]

17. But it's not too late to push the buttons on Iran.

:eyes:

[Fireweed247]

58. precisely why I am asking about it

n/t

[Richard Steele]

50. Thank you for your concern. nm

[leftofthedial]

51. yeah. laws are irrelevant once the law has been broken.

why hold murderers accountable? I mean, the victim is already dead. The damage is done.

13 posts. Hmmm.

[Clear Blue Sky]

14. Might be tough to impeach over going to war,

when so many in Congress voted for it.

[Echo In Light]

15. Phony "wars" = Big $: too many complicitous people, WAY too many skeletons in the closet

[Fireweed247]

16. we need to find out just how many in Congress are criminals as well

This is why we must demand Impeachment.

Bush does not deserve a salary when he leaves office and the millions we will pay for his secret service.

We need to demand accountability for all of the lost billions in Iraq and the war profiteering. If we end the war and recover some of the money stolen we can set the economy back on track.

[lonestarnot]

18. Throw them all out!

[Fireweed247]

53. The sooner the better

:applause:

[Greyhound]

19. "Democratic leadership" has buried it in committee, where it will never see the light of day.

The Speaker has spoken and there will be no consequences for destroying our nation. Those born into the ruling class will protect each other regardless of party, or even national, affiliation.

Until the working classes figure out that it is, and always has been, us versus them, we're fucked.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. Exactly.

[Fireweed247]

26. Not buried, Kucinich never introduced Impeachment of Bush

He needs to do that as promised and then take it to the media and alternative media. It would be hard for them to ignore.

[Greyhound]

32. His proposed bill was for the impeachment of Cheney first.

You can look it up. It was referred to committee and will never be seen again.

EOF

[Fireweed247]

35. Conyers buried it even with Wexler's call and support for investigations

Conyers lied to everyone when he said he would pursue Impeachment if we elected Democrats 2006. But that was Cheney, I'm talking about Bush here.

That still doesn't explain why Kucinich hasn't introduced Impeachment of Bush. WE need it in Congressional record, we need it to be discussed in the media NOW before he attempts to attack Iran.

[bdamomma]

57. maybe Palfrey's murder will rest on cheney's doorstep.

or he is one of the many clients who used the service, I hope there is a whistleblower out there and just names him.

[ogsbee]

20. Did things change after his brother died?

I don't believe I ever heard anything from Ernst Hollings after his daughter died, even Robert Byrd seemed to quiet down. Maybe direct assassinations bring too much publicity, mustn't scare the sheeple. (Yes I know, at this point this is pure speculation. That's standard investigatory technique, pose questions and then investigate each one.)

[Fireweed247]

40. I think Perry's death is suspicious myself

And it did happen right after the first time Dennis said he would introduce Impeachment of Bush in December.

You see, they are planning on rewriting history and making Bush out to be some great leader and protector, and a call for Impeachment in the Congressional record wouldn't look so good.

[bobthedrummer]

56. Yes.

[varelse]

22. He was challenged in the Ohio primary

he won against the challenger, but it probably pulled resources away from his work on impeachment and universal health care.

[dantyrant]

31. Well sure.

But not because he had to spend time campaigning in full force -- his constituents know who he is. There was a flood of money that came in to fund his opposition though... this was dirty slime machine money, of course.

To my mind, the silence of Kucinich and Edwards is still a mystery. The only plausible explanation I can think of for Kucinich and Edwards' sudden and unexpected withdrawals is that they may have been threatened or intimidated into keeping quiet and standing back. After all, they were talking about serious economic issues, the two Americas. Our financial elite don't like the rich vs poor frame. They'd rather have us draw other lines of division, and if so, they sure got what they wanted.

[varelse]

33. Yes, well said

I feel the same way you do about this. The primary challenge, in my eyes, was just one more attempt on the part of the "ownership class" to try to shut down a powerful and persistent advocate for change.

[Fireweed247]

44. "may have been threatened or intimidated into keeping quiet and standing back"

That is what I think too. We have to stop the Bush/Cheney mob because I have no doubt they are not going away with so much at stake, even when Bush leaves office.

[LWolf]

23. Don't I see you post this question here at DU every couple of months?

I suggest you contact Dennis Kucinich and ask him. He can probably give you a more accurate answer than you'll find at DU.

He's very approachable, and very responsive, in my experience. Give it a try.

[Fireweed247]

24. I have contacted him

and he has not responded. I thought perhaps someone else had heard something.

But yes, I do keep asking the question because I think it is the most important thing that needs to be taken care of in this country, and from Dennis' words he thinks it is important as well. If he is being stopped by something/someone, then that is important as well and we deserve an answer.

[LWolf]

34. I haven't asked.

To be honest, I haven't bothered. While it is a crucial issue, I don't see him being able to advance anything while he has to fight his own party to do so. We saw that last fall with the impeachment of Cheney. As long as Pelosi and Hoyer are holding the reins, and Democrats in Congress are more interested in "reaching across the aisle" than actually moving a Democratic agenda forward, I don't think he will get anywhere.

[Fireweed247]

55. Maybe he can't get anywhere, but he can set the example for Democrats everwhere

We need a new Congress full of Kuciniches

[LWolf]

59. Yes.

I'd like to see him as Speaker.

What would be on the table then?

[KharmaTrain]

27. Reality Bites

There still aren't the votes...even in the House...nor the time or will to play the impeachment game. The mess this regime's created is too wide and deep and we're just scratching at all the slime that's oozing from the past 7 years. It'll turn into a full-blown infection once this regime is removed and the power and money shifts.

The problem has been there are no direct charges of a criminal nature to base articles on. Clinton's "impeachment" was based on Starr's "referral"...there is no document or direct connection to either booooosh or cheney...and they remain shielded behind a 15-foot wall of Executive privilidge that is sure to be headed to the Scalia court...and we know what to expect there.

Instead, time, unfortunately, must be the avenger. People are outraged at many things...not just one and their outlet for venting this frustration should be the ballot box. Yep...I want people really pissed off this November...not just rejecting huggy bear mcpander, but also a lot of red congresscritters and Senators. The repugnicans must be removed as far from the levers of power...and then the game changes.

Congressman Conyers has spoken many times of a DeFacto Impeachment...one based on a criminal referals and prosectuions...direct evidence that can be tagged on the previous regime...and also to get out from underneath the obstruction cloud this regime has put on any and all oversight. Remember...anyone even threatened with an indictment is sure to be pardoned by boooshie boy on his final fleecing.

DK looks like he's had to focus more on things that matter to a wider number of Democrats...the economy and Iraq.

[Fireweed247]

28. Impeachment is the most important thing to both Iraq and the economy

It is time to discredit the war once and for all, so that no matter who becomes president the Iraq war and the entire phony war on terror ends. The way things are going with Congress continuing to enable Bush, he will go out a hero. Look- he is giving us all money, he is helping feed the poor in Africa...it is time to end the BS. McCain just admitted the war was based on oil yet he wants to continue it for 100 years. Kucinich has not been focusing on anything, he has been very quiet and I want to know why. Does it have something to do with Perry's death? He asked for money for his congressional race based on his pursuing Impeachment and 9/11 hearings on insider trading. If he went around promising something, I don't think it is too much to ask that he come through on it.

Even if it seems unlikely to succeed, Impeachment must be pursued for the good of country.

[KharmaTrain]

29. How Does Impeachment "Fix" The Economy?

More reality here...even if booosh and cheney were impeached tomorrow, the troops would remain in Iraq until there's some plan to get them out of there. I see no "upside" to an impeachment financially as the money for FY '08 is all but spent (with more being printed up) and short of an FDR type intervention, there's little that can be done to "fix" an economy awash in defecit spending. That will only happen with a new government...not a caretaker.

If you feel upset that you hoped you could donate to an impeachment, sorry you feel that way. I caught a lot of crap around here being critical of DK's talk but no action...and how he had wasted chances to organize and build a better campaign...in the end he was lucky to hold onto his house seat.

[Fireweed247]

36. I was involved in the Kucinich campaign and he has wasted many opportunities

especially to build a better organization to support his legislation.

But I think that the beginning of accountability will lead to an end to reckless spending in Iraq, a useless wasteful war in Iran, and the idea that we can go after the war profiteers and recover the billions missing in Iraq. Throwing Bush out of office will save us from paying for his retirement,stop him from borrowing more money to 'give away' etc. Some may say I am a dreamer...

[tucsonlib]

37. Impeachment Won't Happen, So How About This:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3243698

[Fireweed247]

38. oh, I am down with that!!

:applause:

[tucsonlib]

39. How 'bout Kickin' it, Then....

Hate to beg.....

[Fireweed247]

41. I did kick and rec it

but I'll kick it again
:kick:

[Canuckistanian]

42. He should just DO it. Let it at least be on the record.

Forget about co-sponsors. Just get it entered into the record that an impeachment investigation was at least suggested.

And let history judge those who turned it down.

[Fireweed247]

43. exactly!

:applause:

[ogsbee]

45. Amen, let's salvage America's good name

This is a matter of national honor, blood on our hands, our tax dollars used for murder. These unrestrained crazies could still cause vast suffering in Iran. Do you naysayers not see that?

[Zhade]

46. I support DK... and thus am forced to kick/rec this.

It's a good question.

[dougolat]

48. complicity is a crime

and these damned Rethugs can keep on pretending there are no war crimes for profiteers, that election fraud is just an ugly rumor, that Siegelman had it coming, that Tilman was a war rah-rah, that the Constitution is just a piece of paper, and that 911 justifies it all. At least make the gesture, bring up the subject.
Look at how well ignoring Iran-Contra worked out.

[ogsbee]

49. The Nazis said that the only way they could have been stopped would have been if others had

recognized their true intentions early enough to act. Once the fascists are entrenched we are in trouble.

[Fireweed247]

52. The Fascists are entrenched

but we can still take it back...

Check out this empowering song-love it!
"Take it back"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMSsm_B8iaE

[wildbilln864]

54. kick! nt

[mdmc]

60. It takes guts to do something like that

I love Dennis Kucinich, but guts aint his bag.

[Fireweed247]

61. He was the only one pursuing Impeachment in the first place

That is more than I can say of the others.

This is what we must do to be proud of our Country once again.

[mdmc]

62. I agree

But outside of the Black Congressional Caucus, there really isn't much of a "Democratic" Party anymore. At least not one to be proud of.

[Freddie Stubbs]

63. Perhaps he finally realized that like his presidential campaign, impeachment is a futile endeavor