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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:29 PM
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Time To Make a CITIZENS' ARREST!
So Bush actually admits now that he knew about and condoned the torturing of prisoners. And why not? What's he got to fear? After all, impeachment is still "off the table"; The people are distracted by the primaries and the price of gas; Congress won't do squat; And in a few months he'll be heading for a nice, comfy retirement. Same goes for Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell and the rest of the gang. Now, fact is, these folks are criminals. Not in some partisan sense - like the way the Republicans branded Bill Clinton. These people committed actual crimes! Lots of crimes. The evidence is there. In some cases they've even confessed their guilt! So what's to do?
In January of 2003 I attended a demonstration in Washington D.C., along with several hundred thousand other traitorous, anti-American Saddam-lovers. Our goal was to perform an intervention of sorts. To try to convince the administration that an invasion of Iraq would be not only morally, ethically and financially catastrophic - It would also be a criminal act. Predictably, they ignored our advice, and two months later they embarked on a crime spree of historic proportions.


Now, imagine this:


We choose a day this coming summer when we're certain Bush will be at home in our White House. Ideally, a day when a cabinet meeting is scheduled. We have indictments written up detailing the crimes committed. (I believe such a document already exists for Bush. It just needs some updating to include his most recent offenses.) In the weeks leading up to the event we wage an educational campaign - to convince any remaining doubters or fence-sitters that: A. We're serious, and B. These are in fact actual criminal acts that were committed.

Then, on the appointed day, we march to the White House and issue arrest warrants in the name of the American people.
How many marchers do you think would show up? A million? Five million? 50 million?
Now, I'm not so naive as to believe that we'd accomplish anything substantive - at least in the short run. But I'd be willing to wager that history would one day recognize it as the day that sparked the Second American Revolution. And that schoolchildren would one day learn of both the Boston Tea Party.... and the Great Washington Citizens' Arrest.

Just imagine.....

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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:53 PM
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1. That could actually work. Once he's been arrested. That forces Pelosi's hand on Impeachment.
Unlike Congress, the president is not privileged from arrest. Once he has been arrested. Congress must hold impeachment hearings to verify the charges and decide if he should be removed from office to clear the way for a trial on those charges.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:12 PM
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2. Wouldn't that be beautiful!
and well deserved!
:applause:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:14 PM
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3. Wonderful. Except they'd know and create a diversionary disaster.
It wouldn't make any news, so it would be just like it never happened.

You know, like the west coast port strike the other day.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:31 PM
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6. Although they'd know about it in advance,
they'd probably just dismiss it as another ineffectual upcoming demonstration. But when Millions, or maybe Tens of Millions show up, it would be too much even for Faux News to ignore.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:33 PM
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7. I don't think so. It's amazing what US Pravda doesn't cover now.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:41 PM
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9. Still no reason not to try..
C'mon! Instead of taking the family to Disneyland this summer...........
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:09 PM
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16. Who can afford vacations?????????????? nt
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:33 PM
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17. Sorry,
You can ride with me. This would be, obviously, more than just a mere vacation. Imagine you lived in the 18th century, and you received an invitation which said:

"Some of us are getting together next month to draw up a document of sorts. Kind of a "Declaration of Independence", if you will. We'd love to have you participate in this undertaking, and for you to add your esteemed signature to the finished work."

Would you find some way to get to Philly?

Besides, it would surely be more exhilarating than any theme park ride. Cost less, too.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:17 PM
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4. The DC police are not doing their job
Published on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 by TedRall.com
Arrest Bush
Bush Confesses to Waterboarding. Call D.C. Cops!
by Ted Rall
“Why are we talking about this in the White House?” John Ashcroft nervously asked his fellow members of the National Security Council’s Principals Committee. (The Principals were Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General Ashcroft.)

“History will not judge this kindly,” Ashcroft predicted.

“This” is torture. Against innocent people. Conducted by CIA agents and American soldiers and marines. Sanctioned by legal opinions issued by Ashcroft’s Justice Department. Directly ordered by George W. Bush.

An April 11th report by ABC News describes how CIA agents, asked by previous presidents to carry out illegal “black ops” actions (torture and killings), had become tired of getting hung out to dry whenever their dirty deeds were revealed by the press. When the Bush Administration asked the CIA to work over prisoners captured in Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere, Director George Tenet demanded legal cover. The Justice Department complied by issuing a classified 2002 memo, the so-called “Golden Shield,” authored by Office of Legal Counsel Jay Bybee. “Enhanced interrogation techniques” — i.e., torture — were legal, Bybee assured the CIA.

Tenet was a good boss, a CYA type. He wanted to protect his agents. So he got the Principals to personally sign off on each act of torture.

“According to a former CIA official involved in the process,” ABC reported, “CIA headquarters would receive cables from operatives in the field asking for authorization for specific techniques.” Can we beat up this guy? Can we waterboard him?

The Bushies weren’t otherwise known for dwelling on details. Osama was in Pakistan; they invaded Afghanistan instead. Two years later, he was still in Pakistan. They invaded Iraq. Bush and his top officials still found time to walk through every step of torment a detainee would suffer in some CIA dungeon halfway around the world.

“The high-level discussions about these ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ were so detailed, sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed — down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic. These top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top Al Qaeda suspects — whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding, sources told ABC news.”

Bush knew.

Not only did he know, he personally approved it. He likes torture.

“Yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue,” he confirmed. “And I approved.”

When the U.S. signs a treaty, its provisions carry the full force of U.S. law. One such treaty is the U.N. Convention Against Torture, of which the U.S. is a core signatory. As Philippe Sands writes in his new book “Torture Team:” Parties to the… Convention are required to investigate any person who is alleged to have committed torture. If appropriate, they must then prosecute — or extradite the person to a place where he will be prosecuted. The Torture Convention… criminalizes any act that constitutes complicity or participation in torture. Complicity or participation could certainly be extended not only to the politicians and but also the lawyers involved…”

George W. Bush has publicly confessed that he ordered torture, thus violating the Convention Against Torture. He, Cheney, Rumseld, Rice and the other Principals must therefore be arrested and, unlike the thousands of detainees kidnapped by the U.S. since 9/11, arraigned and placed on trial.

Because the torture ordered by Bush and his cabinet directly resulted in death, they must additionally be charged with several counts of murder. Fifteen U.S. soldiers have been charged with the murders of two detainees at the U.S. airbase at Bagram, Afghanistan in 2002. They were following orders issued by their Commander-in-Chief and his Principals.

One of the Bagram victims was Dilawar, a 22-year-old Afghan taxi driver. “On the day of his death,” reported The New York Times on May 22, 2005, “Dilawar had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days. A guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend… Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.”

At least four detainees have committed suicide at the torture camp created by George W. Bush after 9/11 at Guantánamo Bay. Twenty-five more made 41 unsuccessful attempts to kill themselves. The conditions of their confinement — ordered by Bush and his Principals — constitutes torture. It no doubt prompted their deaths.

If George W. Bush were an ordinary citizen, there can be little doubt that he would face a long prison sentence for the scores of acts of torture he authorized both specifically and generally. Four of the seven white hillbillies charged with the kidnap-torture of a black woman in Logan County, West Virginia are now in jail for at least the next ten years.

If Bush weren’t president, he would face murder charges. The maximum sentence in a federal murder case is death.

If Bush and his co-conspirators are not above the law, if the United States remains a nation where all citizens are equal, they must be arrested and indicted. But by whom?

The Supreme Court has never resolved the question of whether a sitting president can be arrested by civilian authorities. Even if he were charged and convicted, many legal experts say he could issue himself a pardon.

However, leaving the presidency in the hands of an self-admitted torture killer is unacceptable. Congress could ask a U.S. Marshal to arrest Bush as part of impeachment charges. But the ultimate outcome — removing him from office a few months before the end of his term — seems woefully inadequate given the nature of the charges. In any case, Democrats have already said that impeachment is “off the table.”

Bush could be extradited to one of the countries where the torture and murders were committed — such as Afghanistan or Cuba. But he could claim immunity as a head of state.

There is, however, a person who could begin holding Bush and the others accountable for their crimes.

She is Cathy L. Lanier, the 39-year-old chief of D.C.’s Metropolitan Police Department. Chief Lanier, take note: you have probable cause to arrest a self-confessed serial torturer and mass murderer within the borders of the District of Columbia. He resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Go get him.

History is calling, Chief Lanier. Your city, and your country, needs you.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/30/8611/
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:30 PM
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5. ...(raises hand from back of classroom)...
it all sounds great...but what are the chances of Bush's security detail allowing this to happen?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:35 PM
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8. You mean his private army Blackwater, which he mans from prisons?
They shoot first and ask questions later.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:41 PM
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10. Be it Secret Service or the nearest military unit...
...nobody is likely to allow the president to be stormed by a mob...
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:46 PM
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11. A few hundred is a mob...
...a few million is a Nation!
Let me ask you, adsoletter and valerief, despite your misgivings - Could we count on your participation? Hope so.

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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:49 PM
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12. ...as long as it's a peaceful one...
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:51 PM
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13. Absolutely!
Edited on Sun May-04-08 05:54 PM by fingrpik
:grouphug:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:57 PM
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14. Agent Mike...is that you...?
:D
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:01 PM
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15. This guy is ready and willing...
Vets for Peace were in Baton Rouge with an arrest warrant for Bush at a fundraiser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2vJ63jwI8o

:kick:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:34 AM
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18. K&R&ImpeachOrLoseToMcCain
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