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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:39 PM
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THANKS NANCY PELOSI and MAINSTREAM DEMS!@#!*!- IRAQ SELLOUT THURSDAY- MORE WAR $$$$!!!!
http://www.democrats.com/iraq-sellout-alert-call-congress-today

Iraq Sellout Thursday: Call Congress Today

Submitted by Bob Fertik on May 7, 2008 - 8:42am.

On Thursday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi will force the House to approve $163 billion more of our tax dollars for the occupation of Iraq - nearly $100 billion for 2008 plus nearly $70 billion more for 2009. We are outraged. This Democratic Congress was elected to end the occupation, not fund it forever.

On Monday, a new Democrats.com poll found an overwhelming 68% of Americans want to bring our troops safely home within 6 months - a significant increase from 54% last September. Support among Democrats increased 14% to 85%, while support among Independents increased 20% to 78%. Why is the Democratic Congress defying the will of the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Independents?

Each day's news underscores how disastrous the occupation is. April was the deadliest month for U.S. soldiers since last September. One in five Iraq and Afghanistan veterans - roughly 300,000 - report symptoms of PTSD or major depression. The V.A. covered up the fact that 12,000 veterans attempt suicide each year while under V.A. treatment. As Cindy Sheehan asked, "for what noble cause" are our sons and daughters suffering and dying?
To make matters worse, Bush continues to use our occupation of Iraq as a reason to wage a covert war against Iran that could quickly turn to a wider and even more disastrous war. We know the Iraq War "marketing" was timed for the 2002 election - if John McCain is behind in the polls, will Bush "bomb bomb Iran" as an "October Surprise" to keep Republicans in power?

On top of it all, as our economy tanks, we simply cannot afford to waste $163 billion more of our tax dollars for Iraq on top of the $562 billion we've already wasted and the $3 trillion overall cost, included tripling the price of gasoline.

It's urgent for everyone to call our Representatives today with a simple message: Not One More Penny for Iraq.



This battle is not impossible. On January 16, 42 progressive Democrats voted against the last $70 billion blank check. Most Republicans oppose Pelosi's bill because it includes some domestic spending, so a large bloc of progressive Democrats can defeat it.

Call the switchboard at 202-224-3121 or find your Representative's name and direct dial by entering your address on the right side here. Please report the results of your call here:

http://www.democrats.com/iraq-sellout-alert-call-congress-today
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:44 PM
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1. Very sad.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:56 PM
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2. I e-mailed my congressman. Thanks.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:01 PM
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3. People, now that the country has chosen not to back Clinton.....
... we have to make sure to get rid of the rest of the DLC. Let's make the Democratic Party a party of the people again.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:12 PM
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4.  I called both my Reps today
the repigs were going BS today they wanted to keep on adjourning sessions to protest the procedure of the Iraq War funding, Boehner was disgusting, all this stuff about being treated unfairly, they seem to forget when they treated the Dems like dirt, too bad they are getting what they deserve.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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5. My dem rep does not care
really...


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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:28 PM
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6. K&R for more phone calls
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:47 PM
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7. "This Democratic Congress was elected to end the occupation"
An opinion and not a fact. If true, Cindy Sheehan ought to be cleaning Nancy Pelosi's clock in the polls, considering that is one of the most liberal districts in the United States, but she isn't.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:42 PM
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10. You're wrong, Pelosi acknowledged this herself
SFGATE
Sunday, December 10, 2006

    Speaking in San Francisco the day after adjournment of the Republican-controlled 2005-06 Congress, Pelosi declared -- as she had throughout her party's successful November election campaign -- that "my highest priority, immediately, is to stop the war in Iraq."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/10/BAGJGMSTAQ1.DTL

That promise is one of the main reasons the Dems won the 2006 mid-term. It's a promise they have since gone out of their way to FAIL to keep.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:52 PM
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11. "my highest priority, immediately, is to stop the war in Iraq."
That was her stated priority which is quite a bit different then claiming that Democrats were elected to Congress to end the occupation. My Dem Congressman has been winning his elections in landslide proportions since he first ran in 1992, long before the Iraq War.

If Nancy Pelosi can seemingly cruise to re-election this fall, it does appear that the continued funding of the war is not that big of a deal even in very liberal districts.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:03 AM
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12. It's what she said again and again during the campaign
If people were opposed to ending the war, they would have voted Republican.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:30 AM
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13. a reply
One can be against the war and working to end it and not be supportive of the idea of accomplishing that goal by cutting off all funding. Nancy Pelosi is in no danger of losing her seat because of her actions on funding the war.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:52 PM
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27. "Nancy Pelosi is in no danger of losing her seat because of her actions on funding the war."
Which is a damn shame, if true.

In a civilized country, she'd be risking more than her seat by her actions; she'd be risking imprisonment for collaborating with a fascist regime -- one she should have been investigating from the day the 110th congress was seated but chose to enable instead.

However, I'm not going to dismiss Ms. Golub just yet. Personally, I hope she kicks Pelosi's lame Vichy candy ass from the Cow Palace to Leon's rib joint out on Sloat across from the zoo.

And I hope Leon himself refuses to seat her because he can't stand the goddamn GOP either and he knows just how much time Pelosi's spent sucking up to the Bushies and how little time she's spent doing anything useful for her district or the country. Barbecue this, conniving sleazebag.

Not one more term for this scheming invertebrate.


wp
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 08:09 AM
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18. Forget this fall: She is being challenged in the Democratic Primary less than four weeks from now:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:21 PM
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8. K&R with a sick feeling in my gut. nt
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SavageDem Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:22 PM
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9. Called my Rethug congressman today...
...not that it will do any good, but I gave them the message - AGAIN! And I did it in a very polite way, but one that was not open to interpretation.

Oh, just so you know: John Kline (R-MN 2nd Cong District) is an asshole - votes 98% Rethug party line.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:30 AM
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14. I called!
:dem:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:28 AM
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15. I'm going to disagree. There's a light at the end of the tunnel
and not funding the fiasco at this point threatens to block it. Shrub will not end this war under any circumstances. If he doesn't get the money from Congress, he'll take it from other programs. That's just the way it is. Stopping funding at this point gives ammunition to the Republicans for the fall election - "they don't support the troops," yada, yada, yada. The only way we'll stop the madness is to elect Democrats - majorities in Congress and a President. If we accomplish that, the money will be needed to ship the troops and equipment home.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:53 AM
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17. Finally someone sees why this is happening
The best way to win a war is by picking your battles. In this case, the "war" is to end the Iraq war.

Pelosi has decide to pick the November election as the battle she feels she can win. She knows that she does not have enough votes to overturn a veto, so there is no point in sending up another bill that ties funding to a troop withdraw. That will just turn into another p*ssing match with Bush and the rethugs will be able to scream "The democrats don't support our troops" all summer and fall.

Pelosi made a smart move by taking this argument off the table and helping Democratic candidates win in the fall. She has also attached a GI Bill funding increase to this bill, so if the rethugs try and screw with it, they can be called out on not supporting the troops.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:46 PM
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19. And the many who will die or be permanently disabled in the meantime?
(They don't count, do they?)
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:23 PM
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22. What part of my argument didn't you get?
Edited on Thu May-08-08 06:23 PM by wmbrew0206
The democrats don't have the votes to override a veto. No republican is going to cross over to vote against the war at this point, so there is no way Congress can force an end to the war at this point.

So ask yourself how many more will die or be disable if McCain wins partly because he can wave the flag and say "Look, look, the Democrats don't Support the Troops" over this debate.

When the new President and Congress meet, new laws can be passed to withdraw the troops from Iraq but we've got to ensure that they are Democrats to make that happen.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:33 PM
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24. The Dems should have impeached
They should have used the investigative powers they have to uncover the shit that was going on, by the end of which impeachment would probably have succeeded.

Instead -- even with a majority -- they cowered in the corner and said, "Don't look at us, we're just like everyone else, we won't make any trouble."

Many of them have made statements to the press full of right wing talking points.

Nobody follows a follower and the Dems have been unwilling to even try to lead. Even with all the facts on their side. Even with control of all the committees.

At this point, the Dems are weak because they're used to being weak. The bushies ignore their subpoenas and they don't even go to the press and say, "What the hell?!"

And America is circling the drain because of it.

But at least their powered is dry...
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:35 PM
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26. I disagree on several points, but the main two are:
My first point of disagreement: "That will just turn into another p*ssing match with Bush and the rethugs will be able to scream "The democrats don't support our troops" all summer and fall."

You're probably right, and this is due to two very ugly but unavoidable facts:

- Corporatization of mass media, which allowed them to opt completely out of the news and information business. They're now in the marketing and PR business, and their sole client is the extreme right wing of the republican party.

This is as much the fault of democrats as the GOP. Clinton's 1996 Telecom act was a gigantic giveaway to these media conglomerate shitheads. Democrats in general -- once they discovered that, by becoming GOP lite, they could get the huge sums of campaign bribes formerly reserved for wingers on the other side of the aisle -- turned against the people they allegedly represent in their haste to get their own corporate seals of approval.

And they're still at it; look at opensecrets.org to see who's giving how much to whom. Then gasp in wonder as incredible patterns emerge and remarkable coincidences pop up right before your eyes. It's always a shock when votes and money find their own equilibrium and end up in near perfect alignment. Who would have guessed?


- The amazing inability of democrats to develop messages, turn them into sound bites and slogans and use them to penetrate the dense skulls of those who have been trained by the GOP that no worthwhile concept should take more than two seconds to articulate. Democrats constantly demonstrate that their "strategic advisers" are about as strategic as a buggy whip and wouldn't understand branding if it bit them in their collective fat, overpaid asses.

A recent classic was the "battle" over something called S-CHIP. More branding genius, as I've come to expect from the democratic party's deep thinkers. The GOP would have called it "The Healthy Kids Act" or something catchy like that -- not that they'd ever sponsor a bill that gives poor kids a break. Dems, however, chose to go to war over an acronym that hardly anybody knows and that sounds like a computer component. No wonder nobody besides those who were seriously screwed by the inevitable Bushie veto really gave a shit.


Moving on to the second point of contention: "Pelosi made a smart move by taking this argument off the table and helping Democratic candidates win in the fall. She has also attached a GI Bill funding increase to this bill, so if the rethugs try and screw with it, they can be called out on not supporting the troops."

I'll leave aside for the moment the fact that Pelosi has doomed several hundred more US troops, along with the usual uncounted Iraqi civilians, who will certainly die between now and next January. She should be arrested for that move alone, but that's not going to happen.

She's even given up on those "strongly worded statements," full of fightin' words like "disappointing" and "unfortunate." She might as well not bother, because even that candy assed approach always gets warped into a fresh GOP talking point because she knows less about PR than the giant rats of Sumatra know about quantum mechanics. So an incompetent leader, child-like strategist and terrible communicator. Other than that, what's not to like?

This versions of a GI bill is so lame that vets would be better off panhandling than relying on the pathetic and insulting pittance congress in its two seconds of benevolence sees fit to grant people who risked their lives and, in many cases, paid with a couple of limbs and a blown out PTSD brain.

But at least the dems aren't going to be called out for not supporting the troops. Unless they are, because the GOP will always have a better way to frame an argument than these fools and frauds, and they'll always get away with as many lies as they want because M$M will never call them on it -- and neither will the invertebrate Dems, unfortunately, mainly because they don't know how.

Despite her bullshit about her lack of an anti-war commitment the dems were, in fact, seen as the anti-war party in 2006 and that's why they managed to overcome about a 5 million vote deficit before anyone even cast a ballot, thanks to the customary GOP election tampering. Tens of millions of people voted with the expectation, naive as it happens, that these people would at least live up to that single agenda item.

Of course not: They'd rather fund two more years of goddamn US mass murder and global imperialism than piss off The Commander Guy. Plus, it wouldn't be good for their investment portfolios, venal bastards that they are. To wit:

According to financial disclosure statements required of all members of Congress, in calendar year 2006 -- the latest year for which complete and verified reports exist -- 151 members of congress, both representatives and senators, had a financial stake in one or more of the numerous DoD contractors. Those investments were worth a combined $78.7 million to $195.5 million at the time. These weren't small deals either; the list only includes DoD contractors with signed deals worth at least $5 million apiece.

These investments earned those 151 members a total of between $15.8 million and $62 million in stock profits from 2004 and 2006. This marvelous bit of news courtesy of a study released in early April 2008 by Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan research group.

From aircraft and weapons manufacturers to producers of medical supplies and soft drinks, their investment portfolios include holdings in companies paid billions of dollars each month to support the Iraq occupation, as well as US imperialism and militarism around the world. Somebody's got to feed and clothe all those troops stationed at the nearly 800 US military bases in at least 63 countries.

So it's no wonder they show up in droves whenever one of the generals running the occupation shows up to testify on capital hill. And no wonder they were quick to condemn Moveon for running that ad about "General Betrayus."

A briefing from him is essentially a privileged report from an insider divulging private information that has serious bearing on the prices and probable trends concerning stocks in their portfolios. This used to be known as insider trading; now it's not called anything at all.

They should be hauled before a war crimes tribunal at The Hague, right next to the coven of Bushie slime buckets. Of course, neither will happen because there are some people who are truly above the law in this country. We just elected several hundred of them to congress and allowed hundreds more to steal their positions in the executive branch -- twice, without putting up any resistance at all beyond a couple hundred protesters in D.C. carrying signs that quickly dissolved in the January 2000 rain.

Finally, given the performance of the 110th congress, what makes you think that a bigger democratic majority in the 111th will do any good? Neither corporate presidential candidate is talking about single-payer, universal-access health care, which is only sensible since the two of them have been getting more money from the for-profit medical industry than any other candidates -- even when there were a couple of thousand of them, or so it seemed.

Hillary's selling dark visions of war against non-existent shadow creatures fabricated by the Bushies to induce the proper level of ambient fear needed to assure lock-down social control, which enabled them to embark on their international crime spree unbothered by an inquisitive congress or an awake American public.

Obama's selling hope that he's not as corporatized as Hillary, even though he's glommed more corporate campaign bribes than anyone in the history of presidential politics.

McPain's still selling a hundred years of death and carnage because he has nothing else going for him. Unfortunately, after eight years of that shit, the public has been trained to associate the idea of America with continuous war mixed with free-floating dread of those gosh darned terra-sts.

In which case, that loony bastard might just appeal to the same defrocked charlatans who used to pretend to be studly rugged individualists before 9/11 and the Bushies' fear mongering campaign exposed them as the craven dipshits they really are. Now that their cover is blown, they'll all be looking for a some father figure to make the shakes go away. But since there aren't any father figures available this time around, they'll have to settle for McPain.

If there aren't enough of these twits around to sway the election -- always assuming there's going to be one, which is at best a 50/50 proposition imo -- the GOP can always be relied upon to steal it. The American public has already demonstrated that they're not going to do a damn thing about it, hopeless weasels and spineless jelly fish that they are. So why not just continue to mess with them. It's not like there's much risk involved.


End o' rant, at least for now.

wp
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:31 AM
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16. "America has one political party with two right wings." Gore Vidal
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:48 PM
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21. exactly....
:thumbsup:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:25 PM
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23. Vidal was right, and DLC prevails once again.
:puke:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:48 PM
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20. But Of Course
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:41 PM
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25. O am ashamed at this Party they just show why we are still in Iraq
they are part of the one Party system

they will Fail
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:57 PM
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28. fuck her.
she thinks we are idiots.

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