The Democratic party is weak on defending this nation.

[Blarch]

And so are most Democratic voters.

Our Speaker is a traitor. She thinks her oath of office is a joke ...she has betrayed the nation, and is now covering for Bush and his war criminals. And she implies that congress cannot end the Iraq war without the Presidents signature. Either she is stupid, or she is a liar.

And I don't think she is stupid.

Harry Reid ...another joke with no backbone.

And the American people who call themselves Democrats ...They are also a joke. They spend their days crying about how Bush is evil...how he is a war criminal, how he should be jailed or impeached for attacking the constitution in the manner he has. But when they see their brother,sister, father or mother ...who happens to be republican, and who happens to be saluting Bush every time he removes part of the constitution...they treat them with respect...they treat them as equals. The hypocrisy is amazing.

The party IS weak ...The leaders and the followers both ignore the attack on their constitution.

Personally, I will never show respect to the people who are trashing my constitution, I just wish more people cared about our country.

Ask yourself...what makes this a great nation ? ..It isn't the air, the sea, the land...or the people. Most nations have these items ...what we have that makes this a great nation is the Constitution of ther United States of America.

Stop treating the people who hate the constitution with respect already. They deserve zero respect, and they are not equals ...They are trash ..they are scum.

Off rant:

[Avalux]

1. The name of this forum is Democratic Underground.

Might have been a good idea if you read the rules before trashing Democrats.

[Blarch]

3. Don't turn away from the truth...

get in front of it and confront it.

It's the truth, do you have a problem with the truth ? ...our party has a serious problem.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. who fought WWII?

the second most expensive war in our history (after IraqNam)?

[Avalux]

7. Don't feed him.

It'll only make him hungrier. ;-)

[Blarch]

8. WTF ?

[Berry Cool]

6. Since when is it against the rules to trash people you think are DINOs?

Supporting your party doesn't mean you think it can do no wrong. Supporting it means that when you see members not living up to their beliefs, you call them on it.

[Avalux]

9. Difference between criticizing and trashing. Your post is hateful.

Like I said, read the rules. If you don't like the leadership of our party, say it without name calling.

[Berry Cool]

12. Some people's "hateful" is other people's constructive criticism. n/t

[Blarch]

13. Pelosi has betrayed our nation.

Why the fuck should I show her respect ?

You don't respect Bush for betraying our nation ....but you give Pelosi a pass because she doesn't belong to the same party as Bush.

This is the problem our party has.

[Berry Cool]

2. You said it.

They need to show more strength and resolve against the terrorists who would destroy our way of life...aka Bushco.

[Echo In Light]

5. Exactly. The REAL terrorists

[Berry Cool]

10. Oh, there are terrorists elswhere too.

It's just that with Republicans like we've had running the country, their work is being done for them. They needn't lift a finger.

[Echo In Light]

15. I'm more concerned with the ones who can wipe us out via legislation and police state measures

...often with the 'approval' of scores of grotesquely disinformed people.

[KSinTX]

11. Expound on these points, please

1. But when they see their brother,sister, father or mother ...who happens to be republican, and who happens to be saluting Bush every time he removes part of the constitution...they treat them with respect...they treat them as equals. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Are you suggesting that we treat Republicans with disrespect? Even if they are brother, sister, father or mother?

2. Personally, I will never show respect to the people who are trashing my constitution, I just wish more people cared about our country.

At which point do you unilaterally declare the Constitution yours at the exclusion of all others?

[Berry Cool]

14. I'll leave the rest of this to the OP

but I think it's possible to respect people for other reasons without having to respect their political views or actions. And I don't think the OP is claiming the Constitution for one person, but rather saying that we all should protect it for everyone, and those who do not are betraying their country.

[Blarch]

17. Not really. Not when they take a position against the nation.

Hitler loved dogs ...should we excuse his behavior ?

[KSinTX]

18. I take particular offense

to the "those who do not are betraying their country."

I put 20 years of my life into actively protecting this Consitution as a member of the military and I accord others the opportunity to dissent. Protecting the Constitution is paramount as it is a beautiful document, but to call others traitors because you disagree with them is absolutely UnAmerican. I cannot limit my allegiance to a political party and I am disgusted by those who would. Constitutional law is a multi-faceted thing and for those who oppose its broad strokes, look to the ACLU - everyone hates them until they need them. Defending the KKK's free speech is as pivotal to our Constitutional freedoms and rights as is defending the rights of those held in Guantanamo. Freedom includes respecting, if not agreeing with, the political views and actions of others.

[Blarch]

20. Oh please.

"Freedom includes respecting, if not agreeing with, the political views and actions of others."

Political views ? ...Political views are disagreements on the issues..like immigration, education, foreign policy.

When someone takes a position against the US constitution ...and then starts to disassemble it ...They are traitors.

This is a not a debate. If your opinion is that it is OK to remove our most fundamental rights from the constitution...then you are a republican.

Go look in the mirror. Should we respect Bush for attacking our constitution ? ..fuck no.

[KSinTX]

22. *This is a not a debate.*

Sorry. Thought this was a forum in which the First Amendment was cherished. Thanks for the clarification.

[Fumesucker]

31. I have never hated the ACLU

And I disagree that freedom includes respecting the political views of others, no matter how hateful.

I wish for everyone to have the freedom to say what they will but if you think that means I respect the opinions of Stormfronters then you are sadly mistaken.

Respect must be earned and there are a lot of Americans who have not earned my respect.

[Blarch]

16. OK...

"Are you suggesting that we treat Republicans with disrespect? Even if they are brother, sister, father or mother?"

Yes. If they are still republicans then they deserve zero respect. Are you suggesting we respect the very people who support the removal of our constitution ? ...Never.

"At which point do you unilaterally declare the Constitution yours at the exclusion of all others?"

I am an American, it is my constitution. and fuck the traitors who are trying to take it away.

[KSinTX]

19. A statement you must prove to me

"Are you suggesting we respect the very people who support the removal of our constitution ?"

While I may disagree with others on their interpretations of the Constitution, disrespecting that dissent is incredibly UnAmerican. So yes, I would rather defy a person who says, "fuck the traitors who are trying to take it away" than those who seek to interpret it within reason. I could care less with which political party they identify.

[Blarch]

23. Fuck that.

"Interpretations" ...fuck that.


"than those who seek to interpret it within reason."

I have news for you. If you think it is within reason for the Forth and Fifth amendments and habeas corpus to be taken ...then you must be a republican. ...Really ..WTF ?

You think Bushs twisted interpretation of the constitution is reasonable ? ...holy fucking shit.

This is exactly the bullshit I am talking about. This is some crazy shit.

[KSinTX]

26. Whoa there, Grasshopper

Your spin into the stratosphere is remarkable.

I have news for you. If you think it is within reason for the Forth and Fifth amendments and habeas corpus to be taken ...then you must be a republican. ...Really ..WTF ?

Your argument denying the antecedent is stupefying. How the hell did we get from "Personally, I will never show respect to the people who are trashing my constitution, I just wish more people cared about our country" to "If you think it is within reason for the Forth and Fifth amendments and habeas corpus to be taken ...then you must be a republican. ...Really ..WTF ?"

I would love to spend some time discussing the issue with you, but I'm no psychiatrist. Wishing you the absolute best on that session.

Edit: spelling

[Blarch]

27. Ummmm...

Are these your words ?

"So yes, I would rather defy a person who says, "fuck the traitors who are trying to take it away" than those who seek to interpret it within reason"

You are implying that the full frontal attack of the US constitution by the republicans is just an "interpretation within reason"

This isn't spin ...it's your own fucking words.

[KSinTX]

30. No, I'm not.

You said: You are implying that the full frontal attack of the US constitution by the republicans is just an "interpretation within reason"

I am SAYING EXPLICITLY that any attack on it by any one is wrong. I, unlike you, simply refuse to lump ALL Republicans into the group shredding it and refuse to commit ALL Democrats to failing to protect it. Despite other flaws, Ron Paul (R) is a major champion of the Constitution and has a long record on protecting it. That is just one example that absolutely disproves your highly oversimplified and overly emotional charge against ALL Republicans and their alleged rush to destroy the document and its underlying principles.

[notfullofit]

28. Collective punishment

is wrong.

[Blarch]

29. Not when the entire group is guilty...

of taking a stance against our nation.

[Jed Dilligan]

21. So disrespecting people is going to help... how?

[Blarch]

24. Well that option is ....

showing respect to the very people shredding the US constitution.

That would be fucked up.

[Jed Dilligan]

25. Well, there's respecting and showing respect, disrespecting

and showing disrespect. Respecting and showing respect, when earned, can be very constructive. Disrespecting can be constructive when it guides your choices among people or candidates to support. Showing disrespect is never constructive and can cause destruction.