what do conservatives believe in?

[undergroundpanther]

What do Conservatives 'conserve' anyway? To answer this you must ask what is the real meaning of "Conservative"? Where did this 'idealogy' come from? Who made it up? And Why?

When I hear some snotty elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I can't help but ask,

Liberties come in which order?

And whose liberty is the most important and first here?

Could this two-faced social Darwinism crap really be the true unspoken origins of Conservatism in America?

Yes, Virginia, it is.

After all, when you look at what they say vs how what they say pans out in the real world, you'll find out what exactly these elitists calling themselves conservative are conserving. They are conserving their own power, wealth, and social domination within their own ranks... and all the talk goes to those sickening same old self-interested ends.

http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

[Kitty Herder]

1. You're absolutely right.

The only thing they care about conserving is their own privilege.

[undergroundpanther]

2. They are basically

Against what this country was supposedly founded to escape ..Divine right of kings bullshit and the class based domination fueled culture mentality.
Yet doesn't those canons of conservatism sound like a verbose rationalization to excuse an abusive greedy and sociopath persons actions that harm others? It sounds like something any right wing hypocrite pig cold hearted evil ass hat would say to normalize that destructive type of personality they have ?

Right wing thought is the defense mechanism of sociopath personalities.There are a lot of people that have sociopath,narcissistic and authoritarian personality traits,ever notice how people with those types of personalities form little posse's of sycophants and secretive plans to oppress others?
Maybe the right wing ideology,every bit of it is all a mind fuck to rationalize the"privilege" of evil people to abuse and exploit others for their own gain. It's amazing no matter what conservative thinker you read it boils down to defending and attempting to normalize,psychopathy and impose it's selfish 'values' upon society..

[Ahpook]

4. I got mine, fuck you attitude is their makeup.

I watched a really good friend morph into this the older he got.

He inherited a good bit of cash and is not the same after.

[undergroundpanther]

12. sad ain't it

I wish that greed was seen as something to be ashamed of.

[Richard Steele]

23. At this point, that's morphed into "I got mine, and I'm using it to come after yours".

They aren't even bothering to pretend it's much otherwise lately.

[ColbertWatcher]

3. Well said!

They conserve the ideology and infrastructure that maintains their ideology and infrastructure, oh and LOOK BEHIND YOU! There's a terrorist!

[undergroundpanther]

8. Your sig pic

was perfect with your comment of look behind you..
So,
I looked behind me and all I saw was my cat..Vinny but apparently you scared Sparkle into hiding!!

[Juche]

5. Fear and elitism mostly

Its not helpful towards constructive debate but conservatives seem to be motivated by fear and elistism.

They are scared of everything. Communists, muslims, gays, women's rights, blacks eating at the same lunch table, regulation of business, etc. They always think the world is going to end. Raising the min. wage or regulations will destroy the economy. Universal healthcare will bankrupt us. Terrorists/communists/muslims/the ACLU will kill us all. I remember a psychology today study that talked about how the personality traits that make one more conservative or liberal can be seen in early childhood. Kids who were intentionally trapped behind a glass wall were guaged on how they reacted. Some kids banged on the wall and tried to get out, some gave up and cried. THe kids who gave up and cried became more conservative when they grew up. I think part of it is that people cope with fear by leaning on pre-existing authority figures to protect them. So fearfulness and authoritarianism are seen in conservative movements.

They are also the real elitists. Conservatives feel heterosexual, christian, white, wealthy male americans are superior to GLBT, non-christian, non-whites non-americans, women and the non-wealthy. They believe 2% of the human population is superior to the other 98% and they have fought to keep this represented in the political, legal and social establishment. Conservatives fought hard to stop women from voting, against gay rights, were/are behind the religious and immigration bigotry of today, the 60s and the 20s. They fought to keep blacks segregated, women in the kitchen, gays in the closet, immigrants out of society, etc.

Hell not even 'christian' is good enough for conservatives. Romney is the wrong kind of Christian, and there was serious doubt he'd win the nomination due to that fact.

Fear and elitism. Its not pretty but it seems to be true.

I'm not saying progressives are perfect (they can underestimate the true threats in the world or they can believe communal rights have way more importance than individual rights, for example) but conservatives seem motivated by fear and elitism.

But they can't run on that, so they do dog whistle politics. However it doesn't work. Virtually no non-white, non-christian, non-heterosexual citizens vote GOP anymore. Something like 70-90% of GLBT, latinos, blacks, asians, secularists, non-christians vote democrat anymore. And the poor and women lean democrat but only by about 60-40 margins.

[undergroundpanther]

6. how do we make

the scared elitists LET GO of power that they abuse ? Do we have to take it? By FORCE? It may end up that way.
I'm tired of the scared and snotty assholes running things into hell.

[ColbertWatcher]

7. The only weapon we have against them is accountability. It's high time we start using it. n/t

[undergroundpanther]

10. accountability works

IF they can be SHAMED by thier deeds.. if they don't feel shame or remorse,and could care less , it might actually come down to force.

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Accountability isn't just about shame, it's about justice, too.

And, if necessary, punishment.

[Juche]

9. Educate the voters, and register voters

This is 100% true, and needs to be said as many times as possible. People who lean progressive or dem have lower voter turnout than people who lean GOP. We don't need to convince republicans to vote democrat, we just need to make sure people who lean democrat actually bother to vote.

The disabled, non-whites, the young and the poor all lean democrat by 20-80 point margins. However voter turnout for these groups is not too high, around 30-50%. The disabled make up about 15% of the population, lean dem by 20-30 point margins, and have a turnout rate of only about 30%.

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http://www.accessiblesociety.org/topics/voting/voterturnout.htm

If people with disabilities voted at the same rate as those without disabilities, there would have been 3.2 million additional voters in 2000, raising the overall turnout rate by 1.7 percentage points.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A12367-2004Oct30?language=printer

As a bloc, the disabled have traditionally voted Democratic. An October Reuters/Zogby International poll found that likely disabled voters favored Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) over President Bush, 58 percent to 34 percent -- a split reminiscent of their margin of support for Democrat Al Gore in his 2000 race against Bush.


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http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2004/0104cervantes.html


Of the last four presidential elections won by the Republican candidate, the two closest ones (in 1980 and 2000) would have gone to the Democrat had lower-income people voted in the same percentages as higher-income groups. So suggests an analysis of data from the General Social Survey, a personal interview survey of a representative sample of U.S. households conducted regularly by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago.

In 2000, a majority of voters in the lowest four out of five income quintiles reported choosing the Democratic candidate. In 1980, a majority of voters in three out of five income quintiles reported choosing the Democratic candidate, and the fourth quintile was nearly tied. Low- and middle-income people are far less likely to vote, however. As the table shows, the GSS data suggest that there is typically a 25 to 30 percentage-point gap in participation between the lowest and highest income quintiles. The data for every election show a clear pattern: turnout and the portion of the vote going to the Republican candidate both rise as income increases.

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White, middle aged, upper income christians on the other hand lean GOP and their turnout is about 80%.

If the disabled, blacks, latinos, the young and the poor (about half the population) had the same turnout as evangelical christians this country would be far more progressive.

It is so bad that it takes 2 progressive votes to equal 1 GOP vote due to lower turnout. If middle aged white christians have turnout of 80% and young latinos have turnout of 40%, it takes 2 young latinos to equal 1 middle age christian. Guess which party each demographic is likely to vote for.

So register voters, donate to voter registration groups, and spread the word on what the GOP really stands for. They have to lie and fake like they stand for libertarian values like 'freedom' or 'fiscal responsibility' but anyone who pays attention knows they don't give a damn about that stuff.

[undergroundpanther]

11. yeah educate them

About Diebold.

[Juche]

14. True

But in all seriousness, if disgust against the GOP grows and grows but for some reason they can't be kicked out of office, peopel are going to realize something is up. Not even the corporate media will be able to hide the fact forever that we dont' have a real democracy.

and even with vote fraud the GOP still lost in 2006 and has lost every special election since then.

[undergroundpanther]

16. yeah they can't cover it up forever

but I have seen my neighbor get disappeared. Nothing in my local news TV or paper,a small blurb,that said nothing really,I don't know why but they called out swat teams military guys with ak 47s and all sorts of shit they sealed off my street and it was CRAZY. I think the people's denial is very thick..Once the people have to wake up to the fact that our rights and democracy have been undermined by these sociopath cretins they will be pissed,they might see more people disappeared,before they get it,I dunno.. but if we stand up for ourselves and our liberty, that's why the military has microwave cannons. The fuckers are ready..But are WE? The horrible devices these pig corporations have made for crowd control are awful.Remember full spectrum dominance? I have a gut feeling that these thugs if they can't infiltrate and put whoever we elect in their back pocket,we will be in for a very big brawl.We may find ourselves asking for foreign help to save our own country from these fucking evil pigs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=482560&in_page_id=1965

[MadMaddie]

13. It's simple....We prosecute them for the very crimes that enabled

their power.

Treason, war profiteering, Enrons etc. They have managed to control the very law that would destroy them.

I plead with everyone on DU and anyone else that is lurking, we must not repeat the past of the 70's. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all of the rest of the architects of the last 20 years which have led the the Iraq debacle should have been prosecuted, jailed and banned from politics.

Let's do this right this time, once we have our Democratic President and Democratic led Congress we must raise our voices and collective power to ensure that ALL Crimes committed by the * Regime are prosecuted. Only by doing this can we recover what we lost as Americans a belief that our criminal justice system applies to All Americans. And finally the prosecutions will allow us to regain respect in the world.

[undergroundpanther]

15. I would be jumping for joy

seeing all those fucking neocon pigs recycled from previous admins, rumsfelt kissinger,cheney bush and poppy bush ollie north,all of them led away in chains to be hung until dead.

That is the constitutional punishment recommended for tyrants in the document BTW.

[MadMaddie]

27. Isn't it interesting that the Constitution is the one thing that

is consistant. The writers of the Constitution were amazingly progressive thinkers in many areas and they have an answer for crimes against the United States.

[ColbertWatcher]

21. No one is saying progressives are perfect, but it is a with a liberal mindset...

...that finds a way out from behind that glass wall.

[Towlie]

17. They claim that "they hate us for our freedoms",

yet the conservatives themselves seem to hate freedom.

[undergroundpanther]

18. they DO hate US for OUR freedoms

they don't want anyone else free...

Only THEMSELVES 'deserve' to be free.

So they think. the fuckers.

They really do hate you and I or anyone else who's not them for their freedoms and they are working as hard as they can to take them away before we notice we are almost or are already in a police state.

[OmahaBlueDog]

19. Honestly, I don't think they're sure at this point

Some want a Christian theocracy

Some want to replace the Constitution with the Articles of Confederation

Some want to undo pretty much every piece of legislation passed in the Johnson administration (Civil Rights Act, Title IX, all the Great Society legislation)

Some want an America-that-never-was; an America of nuclear families on crime free streets that all go to church

Some want a Wall Street free of regulation and taxes

Some want America to be the new Rome and impose its will and values on all of those they perceive to be enemies

Some are obsessed with their need to own guns, and feel threatened that this right will be taken from them

Some are xenophobes, who want closed borders and all non-English speakers removed to their nation of origin

[Stardust]

22. One doesn't become a Conservative until one has something to conserve.

And I'd be willing to bet that something has a lot to do with money.

[Perry Logan]

24. I did a show about this called "What the Hell Is Conservatism?"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6978008798627886162&hl=en

I think conservatism today is mostly just hatred of liberals--not that they know jackshit about liberals.

[KharmaTrain]

25. They Conserve YOUR Money

Many "conservatives" I know (and I've asked this same question) claim that they're trying to preserve or "conserve" America's "way of life"...whatever that means. It's going back to the Ozzie & Harriet world where men were in control of everything, women were to be oogled at or treated as property, black and hispanics knew their place as well. It's a fairy-tale world that didn't exist then, but has been built up in mythology (check Raygun, Ronald W) that has been embellished over years with little basis in fact and rarely debunked.

The bottom line is to be a "conservative", one must be selfish and arrogant...think only of what the "world owes me" and to believe in a country that never existed except in the perverted minds of Bill "the bloody" Kristol or Rushbo.

[KG]

26. they believe in fairey tales.

conservatives don't know anything, the just believe in what they believe.

[anonymous171]

28. It's hard to say what they believe in. They've become so reactionary it's difficult to discern their

"values" (that is, if they even have any.)

[The Inquisitive]

30. I'd agree with that assessment

It almost seems as though 'conservatism' isn't worthy of such a title as it implies that it is coherent and cohesive political ideology, but it seems to be muddled with contradictory convictions rooted in irrationality that make it difficult to discern and pick apart in any sort of a logical way.

[Anarchy in Detroit]

29. WAR PROFITEERING

lead in your food, toys, and medicine? Kid get shot/horribly maimed in Iraq? Can't afford a drive to work anymore? Don't have a job anyways?

Chances are some dick fuck (literally i suppose, hardy har har @ ted haggard) was trying to make a quick buck and you were on the other side. Poo on you you liberal elitist!